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Same sex marriage and forcing the Catholic to go against its beliefs.
Where are people forced to marry the same sex?

The Catholic issue was resolved (if you are talking about the contraceptive rule). The Catholic church was excused.

Hear my issue: you said that the current administration made sin a law. If this were true then it would be a forced issue to sin or you would be breaking the law.

Again: I am no fan of Obama and am in no way defending him or his agenda. I simply want to make certain that the facts are not stretched to meet our own agenda against him. There is enough problem with this administration that we don't need to stretch.

So, having said that, if I misunderstood your point then please elaborate where sin was made into a law.

God bless, Sharon...
 
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If anyone has any doubts about Obama - please go see the movie 2016 - the facts are all laid out and it is really an eye opener.

Everything pointed out is a proven fact and easy to validate. Not some made up stories.
Thank you for pointing this out. I watched some of the trailers and interviews and this looks quite interesting indeed.
 
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Where are people forced to marry the same sex?

The Catholic issue was resolved (if you are talking about the contraceptive rule). The Catholic church was excused.

Hear my issue: you said that the current administration made sin a law. If this were true then it would be a forced issue to sin or you would be breaking the law.

Again: I am no fan of Obama and am in no way defending him or his agenda. I simply want to make certain that the facts are not stretched to meet our own agenda against him. There is enough problem with this administration that we don't need to stretch.

So, having said that, if I misunderstood your point then please elaborate where sin was made into a law.

God bless, Sharon...

The issue has not been resolved. The administration thought they resoved it by saying the church wouldn't be obligated to pay for the coverage, instead the insurance companies would have to provide it for free. This is a disengenuous answer for two reasons:

  1. Nothing is free, someone has to pay for it
  2. Many larger religious organizations are self insured. (Anyone can self insure actually, but because it reqiures a large amount of cash be held to cover whatever the required limits are for the insurance coverage, most poeple don't know that, nor could they qualify).
The fact is, the issue is not resolved at all, and that is why many Catholic organizations, and some Protestant Organizations have banded together to sue the government on the issue.

Peace...
 
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Not to confuse; but Romney has flip floped on the abortion issiue. He has stated that he is prochoice in times past. I will try to find you tube blog or you can search romney on flip flop
I agree (even though flip flop is an unfair term here -- he flipped). Here is a quote from him related:
"Look, I was pro-choice. I am pro-life. You can go back to YouTube and look at what I said in 1994. I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice. I changed my position." — Iowa Straw poll debate, 2007
Italics above are mine. In this there is an admittance that he was once wrong, but he is now on our side of the fence. He has made a marked and documented move from a centrist position to a conservative one (on many issues, btw). To say that "flip-flop" is a correct term would be to say that all of us have flip-flopped on the issue of being Christian.

Let's look at some quotes from myself (paraphrased, since I didn't document them):
ABM in 1980 as an atheist
There is no God. This world is self-sufficient to keep itself going and doesn't need the concept of a God to have either created it nor to keep it going forward.

ABM in 1982 as a Christian
Jesus came into my heart and I am now saved! This universe is a display of His presence and power. There is no way that all of this simply came to be and that on this little planet of Earth that living and breathing and thinking creatures just crawled out of the muck and became what we are today without God.
Ok. Did I flip-flop? Or did I just flip?
 
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The issue has not been resolved. The administration thought they resoved it by saying the church wouldn't be obligated to pay for the coverage, instead the insurance companies would have to provide it for free. This is a disengenuous answer for two reasons:

  1. Nothing is free, someone has to pay for it
  2. Many larger religious organizations are self insured. (Anyone can self insure actually, but because it reqiures a large amount of cash be held to cover whatever the required limits are for the insurance coverage, most poeple don't know that, nor could they qualify).
The fact is, the issue is not resolved at all, and that is why many Catholic organizations, and some Protestant Organizations have banded together to sue the government on the issue.

Peace...
Thank you for pointing out that it is not complete yet.

I was confused due to my misunderstanding due to a number of lawsuits against the current administration on this issue and the courts have effectively caused the administration to put on hold any enforcement of the issue until 2013.

But I aquiesce, as the law now stands, if enforced, then companies would have to provide free contraceptive services, whether directly or through an insurance provider.

Shows even more the desire of this administration to come against Christian morals.
 
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I'm especially concerned having heard the following point voiced in what I've watched, and that is that being the final term of Obama he will be under no pressure to appease this mostly Christian nation. He has a free ticket to try to move forward whatever motives he may have for this country -- doesn't have to worry about re-election. We have seen a direction from him that would make this a more likely scenario than not.
 
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I'm especially concerned having heard the following point voiced in what I've watched, and that is that being the final term of Obama he will be under no pressure to appease this mostly Christian nation. He has a free ticket to try to move forward whatever motives he may have for this country -- doesn't have to worry about re-election. We have seen a direction from him that would make this a more likely scenario than not.


Exactly my thoughts... I have stated in my earlier post is that we have already been thrown over the cliff, however we have not hit the pavement yet (the sudden stop)... We are still in "free fall" dropping 120 MPH @ 56 m/s based on a 200/220 lb. man... (oops, I'm slightly over that weight so I could be dropping a little faster)... :p (stats based on parachute jump training received in military in the late 60s) Hmmm..! Just remembered something... How fast would Aunt Bertha drop at 629 lbs..? :)

Greater works...
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We as people of faith, should careless about our nations financial condition. We live in Gods economy, the greed of this world will reap what it sows. Obama couldn't balance a checkbook ,and Romney is a corporate raider. He buys far below value shareholders think he is going to save the jobs and company, he turns and liquidates it.Obama has no economic experience ,most community organizers do not. As Christians we should not look to these two idiots or any others for our provision. In the middle of a depression our witness should shine. People will start looking to God when they are desperate, and instead of trashing us maybe they will wonder what we have that they do not
 
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My post may seem negative, but I believe Americans deserve better choices for our leaders. We only go by what the media wants, last time it was Obama . Where in the world could someone get hired for a head of a large corporation with the track record of these men. Let alone they have the power to push a button and destroy the world, or involve our troops in any conflict they see fit. We think we live in a democracy, we need to wake up. Its the media and splinter groups shock jocks and mountains of cash that determine who we vote for.the excuse is well we can change it we can vote. Yeah we can vote in a rigged game. I say we form a God first party, it is thought that America is a Christian nation let's act like it, that's moving forward. And I don't mean tea parties run by Mormons ether.
 
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Ok, the world around me cannot be this stupid. Is there actually anyone in this room that thinks that if we vote, it actually does something? I find that idea very confusing since it is a FACT that key people in our government attend the Bilderberg meetings with the global elite to decide policy behind closed doors. The president is nothing but a sheep herder, for all of the democratic and republican sheep. Please tell me there are some here that are awake and can exercise basic common sense here. Didn't anyone notice that Obama spoke against Bush's policies, then got into office and only strengthened them? Hasn't anyone noticed that no matter what, all these politicians have been bringing us down the same road? You have got to be kidding me!! Doesn't anyone realize that right now your home can be searched in secret without your knowing, that you can be arrested and detained secretly without charges or a trial for a indefinite period of time? Doesn't anyone realize that we are under a dictatorship? For crying out loud, former Marine Brandon Raub was illegally arrested and put into a psych ward just for sharing his opinion on the government's lies, but then I find out that in Old Bridge NJ an ex marine gunned down his coworkers while for almost 2 years making blatent posts on his facebook about killing people. So the guy who doesn't agree with the 911 lie gets locked away instantly, but the other guy who had a clear history of mental illness and was blatently posting about killing people and nobody looks into it. Or how at the batman shooting the police and the media are ignoring the statements from the witnesses about multiple shooters. Or how at the Sikh temple shooting once again the witnesses are being ignored.

Police officer: How many shooters
Witness: about 4 to 6
Police officer: Ok, 1 shooter it is

WAKE UP PEOPLE!! I KNOW IT'S HARD TO ACCEPT BUT WE ARE ALL BEING LIED TO. AND RIGHT NOW COPS LEFT AND RIGHT ARE FREAKING OUT BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING TOLD TO EXPECT MARTIAL LAW IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. CONGRESS IS BEING TOLD BLATENTLY THAT THEY NO LONGER HAVE A SAY IN WHAT OUR DEFENSE DEPARTMENT DOES. GO AHEAD AND SEARCH EVERYTHING I'M TALKING ABOUT, PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG, BECAUSE ON THIS I ACTUALLY WANT TO BE WRONG.
 
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Well, I just watched my daily 700 Club program (mainly only watch the first 15 minutes each day) in which they immediately start off with the highlights of the Democratic National Convention as follows...

"Welcome to the 700 Club... Oh, the politicians are at it again, there is no God, at least on the Democratic platform... The Democrats in addition is endorsing gay marriage, they dropped the reference of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and they left all references of God out of their platform.." (Pat Robertson)


Hmmm... Where have I heard recently that before we make a decision on who to vote for, (or do we even vote at at all), we should look at both sides of all of the issues and then decide... We're to do that now..? We've had almost four years of the present administration, and we don't have any "clues" yet..? Different ones are saying that, if we don't vote, that could be a vote to continue in what we have now. Knowing what we already know about the present platform, Do we consider giving the "other side" a chance..? One (outsider) quoted on this forum, that we are stupid if we think that our vote counts... What..? 30, 60, 90, 120 million Christian votes won't make a difference..? Only God knows just how many of the American people are "true" Christians... Didn't God tell Abraham, he would not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah for the sake of 10 righteous people..? and get this, Abraham was only "one" saint doing the asking..! He may have been the only righteous one also... Various polls are saying that the gay community in America, numbers around 2 to 4 percent of the entire population of our country... Do a google search and check it out... Look at how "they" have impacted our nation through politics, judges, schools, colleges, Hollywood, and yes..! even some of our clergy...

If the gay community can impact our nation with their "few," then we as Christians can also have even a bigger impact on our nation, with our "more" than just a "few"...

For those Christians who simply are having a difficult time deciding on which way to go, read again above, on Pat Robertson's initial opening on the 700 Club program... Any "clues" jump out at you..?


Greater works... for such a time as this...
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... Didn't God tell Abraham, he would not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah for the sake of 10 righteous people..? and get this, Abraham was only "one" saint doing the asking..!

...

If the gay community can impact our nation with their "few," then we as Christians can also have even a bigger impact on our nation, with our "more" than just a "few"...
Wow. Awesome post, Harry! Your vote counts (even if you don't cast it!)
 
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Ok the whole gay thing is just at a ridiculous level at this point, from both sides. Next we are going to be voting on blondes or brunettes. There is no "they" because:

Galations 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

for those who claim they have removed the plank from their eye:
1 John 1:8 - If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

We are all one people, brothers and sisters, and "Christians" need to stop chasing people away from the cross just because they don't agree with an aspect of their lifestyle. You cannot take the spec out of your brothers eye if there is a plank in your own eye. I guarantee if all of everyones sins were visible from the outside of your body, and you were not able to hide anything from anyone, then you could find a reason to chase every person away from God equally. The battle over gay marriage will never end, because it is set up to never end. One president makes gay marriage legal through the law, the next president removes the law and makes a new one, over and over again. It can't be stopped because the federal government does what it wants. It's issues like this that politicians grab onto to further the process of tossing us back and forth between both parties. So no matter what, we are always on the battlefield, while deep back in the corner the path for the Antichrist is being paved at an alarming rate. If you don't believe me then read this:

2 Thessalonians 2:7
For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.

Even the Bible tells us that the powers of the evil one are already at work, the wheels have been spinning for a long time. For crying out loud we got inside sources leaking info out of Homeland Security saying they have given some plan the green light, or in their words "we're going hot", and to expect all hell to break loose end of October, early November. Our government, oh yes even the "Christian" conservatives like to go over to Bohemian Grove under high secrecy and worship Molech and participate with homosexual prostitutes (go ahead and Google it, make me a liar, they actually had a famous gay porn star working there.) Even good old George W. Bush, our good ol boy that serves "a higher power", oh poor old Bush who got attacked on 911 with super windowless passenger jets, the ones that were able to miraculously make all three buildings fall like a controlled demolition, he has been there. Bush who put his hand on the wailing wall in prayer to show "religious tolerance" which is code for following Luciferian doctrines.

David Rockefeller actually openly thanked the mainstream media about their part in hiding their agenda with all the Bilderberg meetings:

David Rockefeller, Speaking at the June, 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden, Germany (a meeting also attended by then-Governor Bill Clinton and by Dan Quayle--

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time
Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended
our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost
forty years."

"It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world
if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years.
But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a
world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite
and world bankers is surely preferable to the national
auto-determination practiced in past centuries."

That's a quote right there from an official Bilberberg member, the ones who decide policy. Oh and guess what else, congress no longer has any say in what our military does, and here is proof:

Obama Admin Cites 'Int'l Permission,' Not Congress, As 'Legal Basis' For Action In Syria - YouTube

You guys need to understand that these criminals who have hijacked the world just love us bickering about these little petty issues. They love it when hundreds of thousands of "Christians" stand out at Chick Fila to show their support. I bet the homosexual community felt so warm and welcomed to God's church on that day, as they would drive around and see these people standing together almost like an army. Just like how foreign governments who enslave their people do it through intimidation by posting their armies throughout the land, so they are reminded of how powerful they are. I wonder what would have happened if every "Christian" who stood outside a Chic fila that day had instead in the name of Jesus given a homeless man a sandwich, or given a rejected homosexual a hug and say "Jesus loves you", what if everyone that day actually did something for the Lord, do you have any idea what kind of a revival and outpouring of blessings we would be in the middle of right now?

Please, I implore everyone who reads this to once in your life realize that not everything around you is what it seems to be. Don't just get upset and toss this off without taking some real time to check these things out for yourself, and to find out what is going on. I have been at this for a long time now. I never believed any of this stuff, but the more I look the more confirmation I find. Now I am at a point where I am frantically looking for something that will tell me that i'm wrong. I'm literally looking for it, but the more I look for information that would prove any of this wrong, the more proof of existence I end up finding. On top of that, when it comes to voting, I know for a fact that these elections can be easily rigged. I know this because I am the president of a software company (Lapp Enterprises), I have been a software designer for over 20 years. I have employees that are of the highest caliber, and we all know that if they wanted to rig an election, they could and we would not know. There is no accountability (except at the top). Why won't they allow local accountability by municipality? Don't tell me it would be too costly or hard to implement because I know for a fact it would be very easy. Believe it or not, voting software is actually not very complicated, if anything it would probably be the simplest type of software. You could very easily establish an electronic voting system that would provide multiple methods of validation, which would occur on a local level, state level, and federal level. You could work in so much validation that it would be almost impossible to tamper with, that even changing 1 single vote fraudulently would set off multiple alarms. Don't tell me it can't be done because I have written software that is a billion times more advanced than that.

So the question is are you ready to wake up, or do you want to drink your fluoridated water and go watch Fox News like a good American
 
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In acts chapter 17 verses 26,27,28 It says something about God deciding the exact places people will live. So Mitt can't get in the white house unless God puts him there.
I don't want him either he'll probably give gay people hair cuts in the white house, not that I'm putting down gay people.
 
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Romans 1:26-27
26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

Titus 2:11-15
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, 12 instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, 14 who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.
15 These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one disregard you.

1 Peter 4:6-7
6 For the gospel has for this purpose been preached even to those who are dead, that though they are judged in the flesh as men, they may live in the spirit according to the will of God.
7 The end of all things is near; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer.
gm, we are to preach the unadulterated Gospel of Jesus Christ. We are not out (or shouldn't be at least) condemning the homosexual, but rather pointing them to the cross. As the old saying goes: love the sinner, hate the sin.

Bottom line is this:
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
God will wash the homosexual of his sins and sanctify and regenerate them. But a homosexual will not inherit the kingdom of God. The homosexual can be cleansed from his sin, and repent and God will take away the desires of homosexuality. He can be reborn to a new life.

But if one assumes that they can accept Jesus with head knowledge and continue in their sin, then they are deceiving themselves. Those who wish to continue in their sin were never saved to begin with and will not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 John 3:6-10
6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
I am not condemning the homosexual...God is. And I am not pointing my finger at them and telling them they are going to hell; I am ushering them to me to hear the Word of God and the hope that they have in Jesus if they will turn their backs on their wicked lifestyle, a lifestyle that God CLEARLY tells us in the Word is wicked and is a position that in no way will inherit the kingdom of God.

If one is a practicing homosexual then they have debased themselves and have willfully decided to practice sin. This is what 1 John 3 is talking about above. It is willful and desired practice of sin. One who is born of God (saved) will not do this; will not desire to continue in the sin that held them once.

And those who continue in it are not born of God.

And as Titus 2:15 tells me above: I will not allow you to disregard me and tell me to whitewash or in any way soften the Gospel message.

Ok the whole gay thing is just at a ridiculous level at this point, from both sides. Next we are going to be voting on blondes or brunettes.
Since the Bible teaches against homosexuality, it is not ridiculous. It does not teach about blondes or brunettes so your glibness is dismissed; your desire to soften the admonitions of the Bible is heresy.

There is no "they" because:

Galations 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
What a blatant misuse of scripture. This is not a verse that means don't convict the sinner of his sin. It is a verse to say that two born again believers have no further man-made differences. We are in Christ. The Bible is clear that a PRACTICING homosexual is sinning, and one who is truly born again (born of God) cannot continue in this (cannot sin).

for those who claim they have removed the plank from their eye:
1 John 1:8 - If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
1 John 1:8 and Matthew 7:3 are not even related.

1 John 1:8 is telling us that we have all sinned; we come from a sinful background. It is telling the unsaved as well that they are not free from sin, for we have all sinned.

Matthew 7 is telling us not to judge one another's sins in the absence of repenting for our own. Why do people who like to quote Matthew 7:3 forget to keep reading for the next couple of verses:
Matthew 7:5
5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
Are we to help remove the speck from our brother's eye? Yes!!! But not in a condemning and harassing manner. Take care of our own repentance first, then we can help our brother see more clearly.

The practicing homosexual is not born of God (or he would not practice sin). He is not my brother.....yet. I will love him/her; but I will hate their sin. I will show them the way to Jesus; but I will not fellowship with them.

We are all one people, brothers and sisters, and "Christians" need to stop chasing people away from the cross just because they don't agree with an aspect of their lifestyle.
While I agree that there are those who beat down the homosexual and that that is not how we are to react, I will emphasize that our job is to bring them to the cross, but not candy coat their sin as if we accept their lifestyle. We don't. They WILL NOT inherit the kingdom of God.

You cannot take the spec out of your brothers eye if there is a plank in your own eye.
Misuse of scripture.

Even the Bible tells us that the powers of the evil one are already at work, the wheels have been spinning for a long time.
The Bible also tells us: "Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you." (Luke 10:19) We do not need to just let it go, let it happen.
Ephesians 6:11-12
Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
gm, our fight is against rulers who defy God, it is against powers that defy God, it is against the WORLD forces that defy God, and against the spiritual forces that defy God.

No, we do not sit back with an attitude of "hey, sin will always be with us!" We are to fight it at every corner. Why? Can it hurt us? No! We have authority (Luke 10:19 above). But it can hurt, deceive and bind the unsaved and keep them from hearing and reaching for the Gospel message. We need to stand firm against such sin and the enemy that brings it.

...put his hand on the wailing wall in prayer to show "religious tolerance" which is code for following Luciferian doctrines.
While I ignored the conspiracy theories forwarded in your first post in this thread, I must say that propagating such is false witness against your brother. You should repent.

That's a quote right there from an official Bilberberg member, the ones who decide policy. Oh and guess what else, congress no longer has any say in what our military does, and here is proof:
When did Congress guide our military? The President is the Commander in Chief of our military. Along with the Joint Chiefs, he commands the military. Congress' role with the military is to fund it. Without funding, the military actions could not take place. So when one says that Bush put the military in Iraq and Afghanistan, that is only partially true; for once Bush ordered the military to go, Congress had to fund the continued missions. The President does NOT have the authority to spend anything outside of an emergency fund that allows him to perform emergency interjections (such as Reagan did in Grenada -- Google 'Ronald Reagan Grenada').

Look, I don't like Obama either, but to pass along such conspiratorial mush is simply irresponsible. Such misinformation is damaging to our country as a whole.

Please, I implore everyone who reads this to once in your life realize that not everything around you is what it seems to be.
Of course not. It is as the Illuminati says, right?

Now I am at a point where I am frantically looking for something that will tell me that i'm wrong.
Ok, you're wrong. Just like the crackpot sites that rail against Word/Faith but can't seem to get any of the facts straight, you have to be careful of people in other avenues who simply like to chase such conspiracy theories and instill fear in others. You need to be careful what you read, gm.
 
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Ok the whole gay thing is just at a ridiculous level at this point, from both sides. Next we are going to be voting on blondes or brunettes. There is no "they" because:

Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.


Hi guitarmonster... I haven't read ABlessedMan's post yet and wanted to get my few points in before reading his...

Just to be clear, the practicing sin of the homosexual lifestyle ("they") is not Christian... The scripture reference in Galatians 3:28 is actually addressing the body of Christ in reference to distinction's created by religious law that separated the Jews and Gentiles, male and female., etc. no longer exist in Christ. (Eph 2:13-16). Through union with Christ Jesus, we have been made one. We are the body of Christ, joined together by faith in Christ Jesus. (Eph 1:22-23)

Basically, the vast majority of your post, while is enlightening to say the least, simply does not belong here on this thread... another day, another time and perhaps another forum altogether, if you are not Word of Faith.
I myself, do keep up with the secret lifestyles of many of our politicians on both sides of the aisle... Bohemian Grove and the Bilderburg meetings in particular... Listen to this... "some" of this stuff may be true, however, "much" of it is generating conspiracy theorys... Keep an eye on them..? Yes we can... My sources are Alex Jone's Prison Planet and Whistleblowers/World Net Weekly... Again, however... this is not the place and I'm sure that you understand that...

As far as the voting issue, the OP questioned whether one should vote or not, as well as who to vote for in his opening post... Definitely impressed at your credentials and we're sure that you know what your talking about being in the position you are in, pertaining to voting fraud with various softwares... With that said, remember this... Whatever happens, even if it is the worst case scenario, it will not catch our God off guard, or even suprised... He is sovereign and He is in control, Yes..?


Greater works... for such a time as this...
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