This may offend many

[ByTheSpirit]

I understand what it is you are saying here, but its not as if Romney is a decent choice either - a man who denies the true divinity of God is not one who upholds my moral ideals, and if I were to vote for him it would carry the message that a real Christian option were not needed (as we are willing to settle for this heretic).

Voters need to hold out for, and demand, a Christian option, rather than settle for the anti-Christian options that are sanctioned and available. I sincerely hope that Republican voters stay away from the polls in their droves, so that the message is clearly carried that heretics are NOT an acceptable "lesser evil".

Well I certainly agree a more "Christian" option should be available, but the facts are that they are not available for this election and as stated if we decide not to vote for the man who most aligns with biblically correct views, then we by our inaction vote for the one who in definitely against biblical views... Plus there are Christians, well let me say "Christians" who will vote for the individual they choose regardless of their policies because any more, people are more loyal to their political party affliation than they are to their Lord and Savior. Very sad but very true.

 

[Leap]

Well I certainly agree a more "Christian" option should be available, but the facts are that they are not available for this election and as stated if we decide not to vote for the man who most aligns with biblically correct views, then we by our inaction vote for the one who in definitely against biblical views... Plus there are Christians, well let me say "Christians" who will vote for the individual they choose regardless of their policies because any more, people are more loyal to their political party affliation than they are to their Lord and Savior. Very sad but very true.

I'm going to make two cakes. One of them will contain a great deal of dog...erm...excrement and the other will only contain a little bit of it. Which will you choose to eat?

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I'm going to make two cakes. One of them will contain a great deal of dog...erm...excrement and the other will only contain a little bit of it. Which will you choose to eat?

I think we could go back and forth on this all day... Your looking at the cup as half empty, I'm looking at it as half full... I agree with you that we should have a Christian option, just reality is we don't and so we should vote for the candidate that most upholds Christian morals and ideals...

Romney will need every vote he can get, especially in contested states, I just believe that Romney is a much better alternative to the abortion mandating, homosexual promoting Obama and his democratic buddies....

 

[Optimax]

I think we could go back and forth on this all day... Your looking at the cup as half empty, I'm looking at it as half full... I agree with you that we should have a Christian option, just reality is we don't and so we should vote for the candidate that most upholds Christian morals and ideals...

Romney will need every vote he can get, especially in contested states, I just believe that Romney is a much better alternative to the abortion mandating, homosexual promoting Obama and his democratic buddies....

 

[Leap]

I think we could go back and forth on this all day... Your looking at the cup as half empty, I'm looking at it as half full... I agree with you that we should have a Christian option, just reality is we don't and so we should vote for the candidate that most upholds Christian morals and ideals...

Romney will need every vote he can get, especially in contested states, I just believe that Romney is a much better alternative to the abortion mandating, homosexual promoting Obama and his democratic buddies....

I disagree. Instead of voting for Romney, take the opposition onto the streets because you do not have an option for taking them in govt that does not require you eating from one of those cakes.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I disagree. Instead of voting for Romney, take the opposition onto the streets because you do not have an option for taking them in govt that does not require you eating from one of those cakes.

Who would join? See the issue at hand now is you are assuming that most Christians would join in a street "protest" like this, when in fact, throughout the nomination process, if Christians wanted to put a Christian in that position, they could have... Honestly, there was Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, just to name two and instead it was Romney, more for his social and economic background than his religious... So the street thing wouldn't go anywhere

But we are all entitled to our opinion....

 

[Leap]

... in fact, throughout the nomination process, if Christians wanted to put a Christian in that position, they could have...

So why on earth did they not? Or is the Christian voice either diminishing or even retreating from politics over there (the going back to "fundamentalist" rather than "evangelical")? Face it, soon your country will be like mine...which came this way because people were fooled into thinking that someone who was not Christian and conservative (Thatcher) actually was. They snapped up that bait and fell headlong into neoliberal nonsense from what claimed to be a social conservative start.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

So why on earth did they not? Or is the Christian voice either diminishing or even retreating from politics over there (the going back to "fundamentalist" rather than "evangelical")? Face it, soon your country will be like mine...which came this way because people were fooled into thinking that someone who was not Christian and conservative (Thatcher) actually was. They snapped up that bait and fell headlong into neoliberal nonsense from what claimed to be a social conservative start.

I am not even going to try and defend others actions... I understand your frustration on it, that's just the way it is..... A sign of the times? Perhaps, but regardless of the reason, that is how it is and we have been dealt the hand that we now face and have to do the best we can with it.

 

[dkbwarrior]

I'm going to make two cakes. One of them will contain a great deal of dog...erm...excrement and the other will only contain a little bit of it. Which will you choose to eat?

Lets rephrase that just a little bit. Say you have been without food for 30 days, and you are literally starving, and you have no other food options but these two cakes. Also, to make the point more pertinent, lets say that you know that if you can survive another 20 days, you will then have plenty of food. Now tell me, which one would you eat? Or will your pride let you starve to death?

Peace...

 

[Leap]

Lets rephrase that just a little bit. Say you have been without food for 30 days, and you are literally starving, and you have no other food options but these two cakes. Also, to make the point more pertinent, lets say that you know that if you can survive another 20 days, you will then have plenty of food. Now tell me, which one would you eat? Or will your pride let you starve to death?

Peace...

Except that those are not the only two options. They are the only two options that are being offered to you by the State, but they are not the only two options full stop. You are being conned into accepting someone who denies Christ because he happens to have some social conservative values as well....rather than hold out and demand a Christian option.

Only a little bit of dog excrement makes the cake inedible, yet you are choosing to eat such a cake rather than hold out for something that isnt full of....

 

[hhodgson]

Except that those are not the only two options. They are the only two options that are being offered to you by the State, but they are not the only two options full stop. You are being conned into accepting someone who denies Christ because he happens to have some social conservative values as well....rather than hold out and demand a Christian option.

There are no other options... Romney was officially excepted as the republican nominee during the convention held in Tampa, Florida yesterday. The State did not nominate him... the republican party did...

Republican National Convention Presidential nominee vote, 2012 Candidate First Ballot Percentage Mitt Romney 2,061 (90.1%) Ron Paul 190 (8.3%) Rick Santorum 90 (.39%) Michele Bachmann 10 (.04%) Jon Huntsman 10(.04%) Buddy Roemer 10 (.04%) Abstain 23 (1%) Totals 2,286 100.00%


Greater works...
_____________
Harry

 

[Leap]

There are no other options...

Yes, there are. People are treating this as if electing a president is the only thing that can be done. If you are not offered a Christian option, you need to switch from voting to lobbying rather than voting for (and granting a modicum of legitimacy to) a non-Christian president. Would you vote for Richard Dawkins if he came out as anti abortion and anti gay "marriage"? Or perhaps a Muslim who was anti those things? I doubt it. So why vote for Romney?

I get the impression that you need over there the same thing that we need over here; a groundswell of Christian political involvement with a party of their own that puts forward a Christian nominee for president who is true to social conservative values. And you have more chance of doing it there as Christianity is being decimated over here by media and liberalism in the schools, but you probably dont have long before the Christians form to small a number to manage it.

Romney was officially excepted as the republican nominee during the convention held in Tampa, Florida yesterday. The State did not nominate him... the republican party did...

Republican National Convention Presidential nominee vote, 2012 Candidate First Ballot Percentage Mitt Romney 2,061 (90.1%) Ron Paul 190 (8.3%) Rick Santorum 90 (.39%) Michele Bachmann 10 (.04%) Jon Huntsman 10(.04%) Buddy Roemer 10 (.04%) Abstain 23 (1%) Totals 2,286 100.00%


Greater works...
_____________
Harry

That truly is bizarre though. Why would Christians (and I'm assuming here that the majority of the republican party are at least nominally Christian) select a Mormon over a Catholic? Are Christians ceasing to be involved in the Republican party these days?

 

[CindyisHis]

Each one of us needs to be in prayer over this. Talking with God is more fruitful than with people and after talking with him then talking with people is clear. There really is a spiritual battle raging in America. It's huge, and it's reaching into families. Jesus said that He brings a sword, even into families, because some choose Him and some do not. There's been an indoctrination of "tolerance" propaganda going on infiltrating the minds of the young and it's working the enemy's plan to destroy.

Well, didn't mean to get off into all that.

The most important thing I have to say is this - pray.
Pray asking the Lord to give you His mind and His thoughts on the matter. "Your will, Lord, not mine." How good it is to be empty of self on the matter and to walk as one with the Lord. "I delight to do Your will, O God."

If we resolve to do that one thing, to seek Him and His beauty, He will answer.

 

[pk4yahweh]

This is definitely a difficult topic... and it seems both sides are quite dogmatic in their approach.

As a Pastor of a local church - I have chosen to focus on Jesus and not on politics. I have heard the argument that, by my silence, I am encouraging Christians to not vote (and thus lose a privilege) but I disagree.

I do not see myself as keeping "silent" but instead focusing on something bigger - more powerful - stronger. Jesus prophetically stated that if we lift Him up (both physically and figuratively) that HE will draw all men unto Himself. So that is what I do (and what I lead my church to do) - we lift Jesus up... not the government... not politics... not anything or anyone else.

So is it Obama - Romney - or a bullhorn on the street corner?

I just do not see that question as fair or necessary. (It is really a straw-man argument if ever there was one).

The government and the world's system will do what it does... and Jesus does what he does.

I would have a different opinion if Jesus had indeed led a rebellion against Herod - or even staged a sit-down in the market place. But He didnt.

In fact - He called Him a Fox and insisted on focusing on His task.



That's what I'm doing.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I just think the logic of a vote for Romney is a vote for Mormonism, it's not. We must seperate that idea at it's core if we, as Christians, are to get over that hump. Now, obviously a vote for the man is a vote for his policies, or a majority of them atleast, but last I check Romney was not running on a I'll convert all America to Mormonism ticket.

 

[Optimax]

There may or may not be things we could do.

At this time that is not the issue.

The issue is we have a sitting President who has done more harm to this country in less than four years than all the other "not so good presidents" combined.

Romney does have a good business background and know what this country needs for economic recovery.

In four more years if the Lord does not "return" we will have another decision.

That decision also will be based on "what is" , not "what could have been", what shouda been, or "if only".

 

[Estherann]

I am not really into politics. But, I read this thread with interest. (From one over the pond.)

You are really in the same frustrating position as we have been for a long time.

The only thing I can do is suggest if you don't believe you have a duty to vote, then don't vote.

If you do believe you should vote, I would look at it this way (not saying its the right way, just what I have to do myself.)

God has said he has his people everywhere. You say earlier in the thread there is evil in both these parties. Is everyone in the parties concerned evil? God will have his people in both. They won't all believe in abortion, homosexuality, and that satan is the brother of Jesus. If they do, don't vote for. But they can't do, God has his people in both.

I would pray and ask for guidance, vote and then pray for whoever gets in. Not just for the President but for everyone in power. Pray that the good will have influence. That is all we can do.

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

I would pray and ask for guidance, vote and then pray for whoever gets in. Not just for the President but for everyone in power. Pray that the good will have influence. That is all we can do.

Amen. This should be the active commission of Christians everywhere.

 

[pdudgeon]

I understand what it is you are saying here, but its not as if Romney is a decent choice either - a man who denies the true divinity of God is not one who upholds my moral ideals, and if I were to vote for him it would carry the message that a real Christian option were not needed (as we are willing to settle for this heretic).

Voters need to hold out for, and demand, a Christian option, rather than settle for the anti-Christian options that are sanctioned and available. I sincerely hope that Republican voters stay away from the polls in their droves, so that the message is clearly carried that heretics are NOT an acceptable "lesser evil".

voters here do have a Christian option in a candidate, but it takes a lot of votes to win in this country--and each vote won costs a whole lot of money that third party candidates just don't have to spend in gaining those votes.

if Republicans 'stay away from the poll in droves' it simply gives Obama a 'red carpet mandate' that he really doesn't have. and given that kind of mandate, nothing will stop him from further ruining this country by the use of executive priviledge. that was a measure enacted to be used by the president in desperate times and times of emergency, when quick decisive action was needed for the good of the country. these are not times of emergency, but that same priviledge is now being used by Obama to set into motion things and actions that will have far-reaching consequences in the days to come after the election.

our ancestors exercised their priviledge to disagree wih the ruling party of their time thru their votes and subsequent actions. and we must do the same thing using the very same tools that they gave us--a citizen's right to vote.

that vote is the one thing by which use the people of our nation can legally decide to change the course of our nation for the better. no vote should be regarded lightly, but should be used with the purpose for which our ancestors paid for in their body and their blood.

 

[now faith]

Lets rephrase that just a little bit. Say you have been without food for 30 days, and you are literally starving, and you have no other food options but these two cakes. Also, to make the point more pertinent, lets say that you know that if you can survive another 20 days, you will then have plenty of food. Now tell me, which one would you eat? Or will your pride let you starve to death?

Peace...

I am trying so hard not to post! This is not cakes it is a choice between two evils, and no matter which one you choose, you are still supporting evil if you choose either. At least the Muslims do not place Satan in the God head, and they are outlandish with their views on virgins etc ,but they have enough common sense not to worship Satan