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[now faith]

Excuse me. This will be direct and to the point. Your vote for Romney is NOT A VOTE FOR MORMONISM.

Your vote is a vote for who you think will do well running the country.

THE DECEPTION IS that you are some how endorsing their lives by voting for them. YOU ARE NOT. That is the real lie from Satan. Those who do nothing allow evil to win. Why? Because no one fought for what was moral. God has given us such a great responsibility in this country called the United States to choose our leaders. We pray, and we choose who we think will do the better job and vote.

Don't be deceived into thinking that you are endorsing mormonism by voting for Romney. You are voting for who you think will uphold moral ideas, the Constitution, and guard your freedoms given to you by God.

I wonder what the burden of Christians was before Hitler seized power, and I suppose they were not thinking he would impose his insanity ,and set it aside to do what was the best thing for the German people.

 

[now faith]

Arrg I do not want to debate my friends! Our friendship is more important than our personal views ,let all be subject to our own hearts. I apologize for this thread.

 

[Jedi.Kep]

I wonder what the burden of Christians was before Hitler seized power, and I suppose they were not thinking he would impose his insanity ,and set it aside to do what was the best thing for the German people.

There is a book about a martyr from Germany named detritch bonnhoffer. I misspelled the name, but this man's life is facinating. He lived in hitlers Germany and fought to save his country. Look up the book and get a copy.

 

[jenjen486]

The Word says that many will hate us for preaching the Gospel...we should expect it b/c they hated Christ first...and no servant is greater than his master. We can't change the world b/c the Lord said things will only wax worse and worse. We must be about the Father's business. How dare we lift up someone who desires to please man rather than God! B/c if the president was pleasing God, then he wouldn't be the president!2 Timothy 2:4-No one serving as a soldier gets entangled in civilian affairs, but rather tries to please his commanding officer. 1Corinthians 2:6-We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. As a servant of Christ, we are promised the Lord's protection, when we give our lives fully over to Him. We no longer have to operate according to this kingdom on earth b/c we have the hope of a beautiful eternal Kingdom with the Father!

 

[WannaWitness]

I just think the world of politics is messed up, no matter what. But all government officials, regardless of party, need prayer.

 

[hhodgson]

I am trying so hard not to post! This is not cakes it is a choice between two evils, and no matter which one you choose, you are still supporting evil if you choose either. At least the Muslims do not place Satan in the God head, and they are outlandish with their views on virgins etc ,but they have enough common sense not to worship Satan

Arrg I do not want to debate my friends! Our friendship is more important than our personal views ,let all be subject to our own hearts. I apologize for this thread.

Don't apologise... I know exactly what you are saying about trying hard not to post... You have brought out deep concerns about what to do or what not to do about this very important election... Believe me, we all do... I hope you read my post about that we are already over the cliff and I won't go any farther on that... I think Pam (pdudgeon) said it best that if Republicans stay away in droves, that gives Obama a "red carpet mandate." We don't know what the Romney side will do in what his mandate "could be... " I just believe if conservatives get in the oval office and control the senate along with the house in the somewhat perilous times we are in, could be a good chance in winning more souls for the Kingdom of God... all of them do not have to be Christian, not even the President... There are many strong Christians in the Republican party that most generally will be in different functions surrounding him in the decision making... Can you imagine having 35 much more conservative Czars (hate that word) in charge of every department in comparing what we have now..? In this scenario, I believe we will have more time for God's work before "we" as the "restraining force" (as many teach) will be removed in the rapture before the real mandate of the anti-christ comes on the scene...

Here's the big question I have and (I to), will not be caught in a debate about this with my friends... If the worst scenario happens, why would we be even concerned about it at all ("if") we believe that God is 100% in control and that He is 100% sovereign..? I may or may not be corrected in my understanding of this. IMO, any correction and reproof of our opinions of "scriptures" remains necessary, however as Creflo and Winston are saying, and others may be saying as well... "Where is the church today..? We are debating and the time for debating is over.."

now faith... by reading all of your posts, you are a great witness of God and what you have presented to us will bring us to our knees...seeking God... Thank You for this post...

I will leave this post with this... We need to get wisdom and understanding... How..? (James 1:5) "If any one lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives to all generously, and without rebuke for asking." And what is the beginning of wisdom..? (Prov. 9:10) "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and the knowledge of the Holy one is understanding." The end result is..? (Prov. 4:5) Get wisdom, and "we" will get understanding.



Greater works...
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Harry

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

voters here do have a Christian option in a candidate, but it takes a lot of votes to win in this country--and each vote won costs a whole lot of money that third party candidates just don't have to spend in gaining those votes.

if Republicans 'stay away from the poll in droves' it simply gives Obama a 'red carpet mandate' that he really doesn't have. and given that kind of mandate, nothing will stop him from further ruining this country by the use of executive priviledge. that was a measure enacted to be used by the president in desperate times and times of emergency, when quick decisive action was needed for the good of the country. these are not times of emergency, but that same priviledge is now being used by Obama to set into motion things and actions that will have far-reaching consequences in the days to come after the election.

our ancestors exercised their priviledge to disagree wih the ruling party of their time thru their votes and subsequent actions. and we must do the same thing using the very same tools that they gave us--a citizen's right to vote.

that vote is the one thing by which use the people of our nation can legally decide to change the course of our nation for the better. no vote should be regarded lightly, but should be used with the purpose for which our ancestors paid for in their body and their blood.

Well said. Amen.

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

Yes, there are. People are treating this as if electing a president is the only thing that can be done. If you are not offered a Christian option, you need to switch from voting to lobbying rather than voting for (and granting a modicum of legitimacy to) a non-Christian president. Would you vote for Richard Dawkins if he came out as anti abortion and anti gay "marriage"? Or perhaps a Muslim who was anti those things? I doubt it. So why vote for Romney?

This is misleading. I agree that lobbying is the next step. But before the "next" step we have to take the first step. There is a national election to choose a man who will set the course for this country and be the face of our country to the rest of the world. We have a choice of two men for the highest office in this land. Yes, that is our current choice. When this choice is complete, then and only then we can move on to step "next."

But the question is what this current choice will leave us with. As far as Dawkins or a Muslim, the question is not simply these two items. It is the ability to run this country and make it healthy.

Let me ask you? Why would you so quickly and categorically deny a Muslim the office of President (assuming he met all other requirements: born in USA, over 35, etc. etc.)? Sound like a choice made out of bigotry (I'm not calling you a bigot; just categorizing the idea). Would we be afraid that a Muslim President would open the doors for terrorists to come in? Would we be afraid that such a President would institute Islamic law throughout the land?

This country is not RUN by the President. There is a thing called a lame duck presidency. We had one in the late seventies. The House and the Senate decide the laws of this country. The President drives the direction and has veto power over the Congress. The Congress can override the President. The President cannot stop the Congress if they act as one body. The Congress can stop the President if he attempts to demand law.

The problem we have here is that we have a Democratic President and a Democratic controlled Congress. The President will get what he wants.

So this is not an election about Mormonism (or atheism, or Islam, or...). It is an election about secular policy in this country to make this country strong again.

I get the impression that you need over there the same thing that we need over here; a groundswell of Christian political involvement with a party of their own that puts forward a Christian nominee for president who is true to social conservative values.

To a point, yes. We need good, stong Christians that will take their place in the political arena and return this nation to the fear of God that it once had. We have about 80% population that claims to be Christian. When Christian candidates run they garner 25% of the vote or less. Is it because people really don't want a Christian? Or is it the [perceived] ability of the Christian candidate to do anything outside of "church" business?

That truly is bizarre though. Why would Christians (and I'm assuming here that the majority of the republican party are at least nominally Christian) select a Mormon over a Catholic? Are Christians ceasing to be involved in the Republican party these days?

"Nominally" is the key word.

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

I am trying so hard not to post! This is not cakes it is a choice between two evils, and no matter which one you choose, you are still supporting evil if you choose either.

Here is where your thinking went wrong. Please, listen carefully.

Genesis 3:14
So the Lord God said to the serpent:
“Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you shall go,
And you shall eat dust
All the days of your life.

​

Satan was execrated that day. He was made good for nothing -- unredeemable. This is evil.

Romney is a human creation of God. Jesus went to the cross for Mitt Romney to heal him of his sins. Perhaps one day the scales will fall from Mr. Romney's eyes and he will see the One True God of the Bible and will quit chasing Joseph Smith's creation.

Likewise, Jesus died for Obama. May he come to the Truth in Jesus some day.

Our choice is not between two evils. I perhaps have thrown the catch phrase "lesser of two evils" around too in this debate, but really this is not about evil. We are not voting to see whose religion we will choose to follow. We are not voting for/against atheism v.s. Mormonism.

Pray for these men. And whichever one takes the office next term, continue to pray for him. Intercede for him that God will guide his decisions.

At least the Muslims do not place Satan in the God head, and they are outlandish with their views on virgins etc ,but they have enough common sense not to worship Satan

Is Satan in the Godhead? Is he really? Of course not.

1 Corinthians 8:1a, 4, 8 (NASB)
Now concerning things sacrificed to idols...
4 Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one.
8 But food will not commend us to God; we are neither the worse if we do not eat, nor the better if we do eat.
​

The Mormon belief system is a fantasy. Their belief that a man rose to be god is pure fiction. It is heresy. So IF Romney gets elected, one of our jobs will be to continue to point out the fantasy of his religion; this while he concentrates on the affairs of state, on the secular nature of his possible new job.

There is One God. There is no Mormon god; that is a fiction. Special undergarments do not change their favor in this world. No Mormon man will rise into godhood, rather they will rise to the throne of Grace before God Almighty and have to pay for the sin of rejecting him if they do not repent.

But once again: neither candidate is running to promote their religion. We are not voting religion here. We are voting for what is right and just for this country. We have two choices, neither perfect (or even near that mark). But it is what we have. Which of these men have the morals and the abilities that will be best for taking this country forward: one of them will be in that job.

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

... If the worst scenario happens, why would we be even concerned about it at all ("if") we believe that God is 100% in control and that He is 100% sovernreign..? I may or may not be corrected in my understanding of this.

Harry. Yes, God is sovereign. He is 100% in control in that He could change every atom in this universe if He so desired. He could force His way upon every man, woman and child and they would all be saved.

But He doesn't.

He gave man dominion in this world. A free will to make choices. Israel was presented many such choices. All of the Israelites that fled Egypt, save for Joshua and Caleb, died in the desert (including Moses) and did not enter the Promised Land. They made choices and murmured against God.

God, in 100% control, did not make them obey such that all would be rosey and sunshine for them. Or should I say milk and honey.

Nor will God's 100% control of His creation cause America to always stand as a nation. We need to put our hand to the work and it will be blessed. If we lose sight of that, if we arrogantly think that America is God's blessed nation, then we will certainly fall.

God says that He will prosper what we put our hand to. He says that He gives us POWER to get weath (He doesn't give us wealth). We have choices and actions to move forward and to move closer to His will for this land. Personally, I think a land that kills babies and pushes God out of our schools (out of our kids minds) is in terrible shape.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that God will fix this for us. We have dominion. Don't make the mistake of thinking that if we mess up, then God will step in and save America. God does not give a squat about "America," He cares about His God-fearing and God-following children who desire to do His will in all they do. America was once a nation that truly feared God. That is slipping away. And the current administration has done more to propogate that slippage than to stop it.

 

[Jedi.Kep]

I don't know why I bother, but the Christians here need to read down through this list about what the current man in office HAS done and will continue to do if reelected.

WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - America’s Most Biblically-Hostile U. S. President

It would be my hope that all of you would read through every item and then make a righteous judgment before you go to vote.

 

[Scottmcc1]

A president has vast influence in the nation. John Kennedy stopped wearing a hat outside, and men across the country also stopped. By Obama just saying he approves in gay marriage, this statement gives this lifestyle more acceptance across the country.

It is my thinking that if Romney wins, Mormonism will gain a strong boost. So in my view a Republican win this November actually is a loss in the long run. If Obama wins it is a loss in the short run and also a bigger loss in the long run.

The fast track to judgment is accelerating.

We need to be about the work of God. With our hearts completely fixed on Jesus.

 

[Scottmcc1]

Sometimes something that seems bad, is not nearly as bad as we think.

Consider this: If Gore had beaten Bush in Florida and won the election in 2000. We probably never would have fought the protracted war in Iraq. Gore would probably only have served one term and Obama would never have been president.

I still think I will vote for Romney but, man, I may be talking myself out of it.

 

[Scottmcc1]

WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - America’s Most Biblically-Hostile U. S. President

Thank you for this link

 

[~RENEE~]

I just think the world of politics is messed up, no matter what. But all government officials, regardless of party, need prayer.

 

[SharonL]

Here is what people are not relying on - once a government goes against God's Word - here is what kicks in:

New International Version (©1984) Acts 5:29
Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than men!

This administration has made sin a law - we are no longer obligated to follow this proclaimation. God is still the ruling lawmaker.

 

[now faith]

I don't know why I bother, but the Christians here need to read down through this list about what the current man in office HAS done and will continue to do if reelected.

WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - America’s Most Biblically-Hostile U. S. President

It would be my hope that all of you would read through every item and then make a righteous judgment before you go to vote.

I was in shock 4 years ago! A man with no leadership experience , he could barely run a small city as mayor let alone our nation. I think he would pretend to be anything if it would get him votes. If vampire shows have high ratings in Ohio he would walk up to the podium in a cape and fang implants. Simply put he is a poser that wants to mingle Hollywood style, he doesn't know his backside from a hole in the ground. I really do not think he is Muslim , he has said he is Baptist lol. He simply playing to the Muslims with a act.

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

Here is what people are not relying on - once a government goes against God's Word - here is what kicks in:

New International Version (©1984) Acts 5:29
Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than men!

This administration has made sin a law - we are no longer obligated to follow this proclaimation. God is still the ruling lawmaker.

Wow, this post polarized me in my own mind. I love and agree with it and at the same time I take issue with it.

Agree: absolutely right...God's Word and Will comes above all else, including the laws passed in the land. We will follow God rather than men; anything that is not contrary to God, we then (according to romans 13) will respect and follow our laws and respect and pray for our leaders.

I did not vote for Obama 4 years ago. But once he was elected, he was the President and due respect. I think his policies are far too liberal and even socialistic. I think he should be voted out. But if he showed up somewhere I was, I would offer him the respect of the office.

That being said, knowing that I am no fan of Obama and will not vote for him in this election....

Disagree/Issue: um, what sin has this administration made a law? Perhaps I missed some things, but I can't see any laws that infringe on my Christian beliefs. What sin was made a law?

 

[Scottmcc1]

My claim on obamacare infanticide is unsubstantiated, so I deleted it.

 

[SharonL]

Wow, this post polarized me in my own mind. I love and agree with it and at the same time I take issue with it.

Agree: absolutely right...God's Word and Will comes above all else, including the laws passed in the land. We will follow God rather than men; anything that is not contrary to God, we then (according to romans 13) will respect and follow our laws and respect and pray for our leaders.

I did not vote for Obama 4 years ago. But once he was elected, he was the President and due respect. I think his policies are far too liberal and even socialistic. I think he should be voted out. But if he showed up somewhere I was, I would offer him the respect of the office.

That being said, knowing that I am no fan of Obama and will not vote for him in this election....

Disagree/Issue: um, what sin has this administration made a law? Perhaps I missed some things, but I can't see any laws that infringe on my Christian beliefs. What sin was made a law?

Same sex marriage and forcing the Catholic to go against its beliefs.