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Proof that God exists?

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No i dont believe that, people can do what they want, God gave them freedom of choice. They can choose to turn to him and seek him out, or not.

And do you believe that they will receive a due punishment of damnation for being homosexual?

And a follow-up: Is this just?
 
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And do you believe that they will receive a due punishment of damnation for being homosexual?

And a follow-up: Is this just?

I think God is just and he's the judge of all mankind. I don't wish to condemn or judge anyone. But God does say that Homosexuals as with all people must repent and turn to Him through His Son Jesus Christ who paid the penalty of death that all mankind deserves. We are all evil after all. God said so, and just look around, hes right.
 
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I think God is just and he's the judge of all mankind. I don't wish to condemn or judge anyone. But God does say that Homosexuals as with all people must repent and turn to Him through His Son Jesus Christ who paid the penalty of death that all mankind deserves. We are all evil after all. God said so, and just look around, hes right.

You believe they deserve this punishment? Which is what, by the way?
 
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You believe they deserve this punishment? Which is what, by the way?

I don't wish to judge or condemn anyone. But i will say this- God says we all deserve death if i'm not mistaken.

But he loves us anyway. That's why we still breath, he bears with all mankind and hopes we will come to Christ and be born again by His Spirit.
 
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Being a homosexual is indeed a choice, just as being a liar, adulterer, idolater, fornicator, thief, drunkard or any other thing we choose to be.


But there is Hope, we can come to Christ, repent and all be washed clean and forgiven.

So tell us about when you chose to be straight.
 
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God doesn't seem to say anything. It's his followers who do the talking.

God speaks to my heart, he gives me hope and love that is real to me. He can speak to yours too if you seek Him. It may not be apparent at first but in time you can hear him. He speaks through scriptures and preachers first, then he tugs at our heart and asks us to seek Him. This is all i now and its enough for me.
 
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When i chose to follow the Lord i became clean of all my sins, its freely given to me, i don't deserve it but he loves me anyway.

That doesn't really answer the question though. I'm asking you to tell us about the moment you decided that you would be attracted to members of the opposite sex.
 
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He speaks through scriptures and preachers first, ....
In my case, God speaks through Life itself first and always. As such, I see Life as the only Holy Scripture directly written by the hand of God and signed off with His own signature.

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And you agree?

Yes i do because God said so, but God loves us and doesn't want to let us die in the next life, he only said that we deserve death because we are all proud and loveless, we care only for ourselves and not Him or each other. We don't love each other and to him that makes us guilty. What we deserve isn't the main point though, what God is offering us is. He offers us eternal life instead of just this short life we now live.
 
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If you are going to claim that people choose to be gay, just as someone can choose to lie or commit adultery, then you ought to be prepared to answer that question.

What i meant was that we choose to be sinners, we can either come to Him and hope in Him and His salvation through Christ or we can remain sinners. That's what we choose
 
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Yes i do because God said so, but God loves us and doesn't want to let us die in the next life, he only said that we deserve death because we are all proud and loveless, we care only for ourselves and not Him or each other. We don't love each other and to him that makes us guilty. What we deserve isn't the main point though, what God is offering us is. He offers us eternal life instead of just this short life we now live.
Carl Jung said this, and I feel he is exactly right:
If our religion is based on salvation, our chief emotions will be fear and trembling.
If our religion is based on wonder, our chief emotion will be gratitude.


That's easy to see. And the rejection of the salvation based religions are often the reason that people become atheist.

In my Love for God, it wasn't until I was freed from those images of Hell, Damnation and of a Judgmental God that I became freed spiritually. Historically, the salvation based religions have caused some of the worst atrocities most damage to humanity.


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