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Yeah I don’t know “Why” exactly. But I can guess some reasons. We are all the victims of that time.

In the period soon after Constantine when Romanism Christianity became the Royal religion. Many many new “Christians” did not know What monotheism was. A simply answer was:”You don’t know whom ‘God’ is? Never mind. ‘God’ is like our Roman God Jupiter (Zeus, Deus)!” ;)
 
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Why did Emperor Constantine and the Roman Church especially purposely choose the Birthday of Roman Sun god(Mastering Planting) to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ? Although they obviously did not know on which day Jesus was given to birth.

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I'm only stating this as something I have heard:
The Winter solstice was(is) on Dec. 21 with great celebration. The pagans that were joining the new xian religion weren't thrilled to give up their fun observances which lasted for the week. So Rome sorta split the week, chose 1 day, told them they could bring in some of their old beloved celebrations observances and it could be Jesus' birth celebration. Why they specifically choose the 25th and not the 23rd or 26th - your guess is as good as mine. But that's the story I've heard.
 
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It is said by many history scholars that Jesus was not born in winter.And the Scriptures never tell us to celebrate his birth every year.

We all know those things and agree with you, as has been said in the posts above on this thread - most ministers in Churches would agree with you but... the question is how do you change milllions and millions and millions of minds and hearts that have been been fed by these stories by their parents, grand-parents and great-grandparents? Two millennia of bad teaching all around the globe will not be corrected in a short period of time. Please tell how we might do it, in your opinion? :)
 
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We all know those things and agree with you, as has been said in the posts above on this thread - most ministers in Churches would agree with you but... the question is how do you change milllions and millions and millions of minds and hearts that have been been fed by these stories by their parents, grand-parents and great-grandparents? Two millennia of bad teaching all around the globe will not be corrected in a short period of time. Please tell how we might do it, in your opinion? :)


I doubt he knows how, he's very new to the Messianic faith and surrounded by those who have probably been fed the Roman view for these millennia.
Those minds will only be changed by time, watching and learning as we Messianics go about observing God's appointed feasts. That's all we can do. And pray.
 
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Why did Emperor Constantine and the Roman Church especially purposely choose the Birthday of Roman Sun god(Mastering Planting) to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ? Although they obviously did not know on which day Jesus was given to birth.

They didn't. Christians already were celebrating the birth of Jesus in December before Constantine was born. It's because the Gospel timeline indicates He was born a few months after John the baptizer, who was born 9 months after his father Zechariah was struck mute while serving in the Temple. We know from recovered archeological data the exact times when Zechariah's family was serving in the Temple. December is the calculated date. Doesn't preach well for some Messianics but who cares? The facts fall on the side of tradition in this case. God shows amazing prevenient grace to mankind by picking such times to relate to all men. He's bigger than Tim Hegg's doctrine.
 
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Wow, he's pretty harsh with the claim that Christmas symbols are demonic (tree, holly, elves, mistletoe). Is that a common Messianic view? I'm guessing Tim Hegg is Messianic. I've heard his many mentioned many times.

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Wow, he's pretty harsh with the claim that Christmas symbols are demonic (tree, holly, elves, mistletoe). [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What are other gods?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]It's just a tree, it's just Mistletoe, It's just a make believe elev. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I asked a Rabbi one time: “Why is a cow horn not used as a Shofar?” The Rabbi told me: “because we got into trouble with the cow before.” [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]It's just a cow horn.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Deuteronomy 7: 25 – 26 “The images of there gods you are to burn in the fire. Do not covert the Silver or Gold” [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]It's just Gold & Silver and no longer and image. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Exodus 34: 12 -13 “Break down there altars, smash there sacred stones and cut down there Asherah pols.” [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I have read in Talmud that when the Asherah polls were burnt that the People were told not to use the fire to even cook with. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Why not it's just fire.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Is that a common Messianic view?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]One Friday morning I meet a woman who I know was Jewish in a supermarket. In her cart were Lobster's, I asked her what the Lobster was for. She told me she was having Guest for her Shabbat dinner. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Now I ask you: “Is this a common Jewish view?”[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I'm guessing Tim Hegg is Messianic. I've heard his many mentioned many times. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Tim Hegg is very open to talking to people if they wish to. You may go to his web site and E-mail him any time. [/FONT]





[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The OP asked: [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]what is your view of Christmas...[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] [/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Does G-d feel it is wrong? [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Man's “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ideas”[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of what is right & what is wrong, is faulty. The word [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]idea [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]:[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] “a formulated thought or opinion”. Comes from the word, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Idolatry[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]:[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] immoderate attachment or devotion to something. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Because we offer something to G-d as our way of worshiping him does not make it acceptable. This is our idea not his. [/FONT][/FONT]


“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Let G-d be true, but every man a liar” (Rom 3:4) [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]It is when we make the fatal error of thinking that G-d is like man, that we fall into the trap of idolatry. For when G-d is consider to be like man, the standard of righteousness is also determined by mankind.[/FONT]
 
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They didn't. Christians already were celebrating the birth of Jesus in December before Constantine was born. It's because the Gospel timeline indicates He was born a few months after John the baptizer, who was born 9 months after his father Zechariah was struck mute while serving in the Temple. We know from recovered archeological data the exact times when Zechariah's family was serving in the Temple. December is the calculated date. Doesn't preach well for some Messianics but who cares? The facts fall on the side of tradition in this case. God shows amazing prevenient grace to mankind by picking such times to relate to all men. He's bigger than Tim Hegg's doctrine.
God does pick His appointed times to do things. You are right, God does show amazing grace to all mankind. Here is an interesting point in Latin, September [septem] means seven like septimus means seventh; September is in fact the seventh month of the Jewish, or Biblical calendar. October [octo] means eight, reflecting the fact that October was the eighth month of the Jewish year. November in Latin [novem] means nine. November was the ninth month of the Jewish year. December in Latin [decem] means ten. December was the tenth month of the Jewish year. So December 25 can be understood as the twenty-fifth day of the tenth month. Hanukkah is observed for eight nights and days, starting on the 25th day of Kislev [10th Jewish month] according to the Jewish calendar, which may occur at any time from late November to late December in the Gregorian calendar. And just for fun, I will add that Christmas holiday is celebrated by many from December 25 through January 1. This, too, is an eight day period which corresponds to the eight days of Chanukah. Then came the separation of Jewishness from Yeshua followers starting after 70 AD and complete severance by 324 AD decrees and Roman fixation to identify with something their countrymen were familiar with.
 
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Why did Emperor Constantine and the Roman Church especially purposely choose the Birthday of Roman Sun god(Mastering Planting) to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ? Although they obviously did not know on which day Jesus was given to birth.
Emperor Constantine actually didn't choose anything, to my knowledge. What he did do was force all of the churches in the area to come together/decide when they would celebrate so that he could have less conflict about it between the pagans and believers---and he often sided with the believers due to his own reasons, even though he made room for pagans. The believers, seeing opportunity to evangelize others who often chose to worship the Sun God on that day (as well as having possible reasons to believe Christ was born in Winter) chose that slot as a time to worship the Messiah.....and in their minds, they felt Christ would be victorious since they'd no longer have to remain silent about their belief in the Lord or allow others to worship false gods while they worshiped the Lord in silence/being hidden (as it was during times of persecution before Constantine showed up).
 
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It is said by many history scholars that Jesus was not born in winter. And the Scriptures never tell us to celebrate his birth every year.
Scripture never says any kind of law or rule saying believers should either celebrate every year or must only celebrate on a kind of year. In many ways, it is a non-issue and something that is a matter of majoring on minors and minoring on majors when it becomes an obsession to examine churches that enjoy celebrating the concept of Christ's birth during the winter (and many of those same churches already agree he probably wasn't born during the Winter).

If one loves someone, they celebrate that person every day and every moment. If a husband comes home and brings a gift for his wife, it would be wrong for the wife to say "Well, it's not my birthday!!" when the reality is that love is simply being shown to the wife by a husband who feels she's worth celebrating often (not just designated days). It's the same for believers, be it Jew or Gentile, all around the world who celebrate the Birth of Messiah and what that means for humanity being redeemed/saved. IMHO, for the many people that fight over the issue with others in saying they can't celebrate, they dishonor Yeshua in the same way the apostles did when the woman came in, anointed his feet with perfume and washed them with her hair and the apostles were indignant.

In the period soon after Constantine when Romanism Christianity became the Royal religion. Many many new “Christians” did not know What monotheism was. A simply answer was:”You don’t know whom ‘God’ is? Never mind. ‘God’ is like our Roman God Jupiter (Zeus, Deus)!” ;)
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There were a lot of new Christians who came out of a polytheistic culture and understood pantheons...and thus, to hear of Christ and God the Father/Holy SPirit meant that there were 3 differing Gods. The body of believers did have a good system of handling that so that others would know that God is One and yet in 3 differing persons...one of the reasons why settling the debates about the Trinity were such a big deal in the early church since many were saying there could never be such a thing as a Trinity due to how they felt it was supporting the theology of Roman Pantheons---and others saying "God is One" who didn't believe in Yeshua and already felt he was blasphemous for his statements on being ONE with the Father and yet submitted to Him. True biblical understandings of God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit were corrupted in the third, fourth, and fifth centuries by Greek philosophy and pagan polytheism, which led to the development of the doctrines of the Trinity and the deity of Christ.

For the Jews apart of the early church/body of believers, it was a very tricky issue getting them to see the ways that following Yeshua didn't mean one was no longer Jewish in saying "God is One"----and for many, Binitarian Monotheism and Jewish Binitarianism came to be a dominant view in the early church held that viewpoint. Dozens of Biblical scholars who are believers in Christ being Divine/God have said that for ages, if aware of what's said in church history. Michael Heiser (of Logos Bible Software used throughout the body of Christ) being one of the most recent (as it concerns his thoughts on the ancient Judaic perspective of the Divine Council/Plurality within the Godhead)..and as said before, one can go to places such as Yeshua & Worship /here as well:

Even for those saying that they believe in Monotheism (unlike many of the new believers who struggled in the early church), some of the same issues remain today when understanding the Jewish concept of the Shema ("Hear O Israel, the Lord Our God, the Lord is One).

People often think in Western culture that something isn't "worship" due to them actively giving attention to it--like saying "I worship Satan" when living for themselves---but one can worship something without knowing it if/when their lifestyle lines up directly with something counter to Christ. That's why idolatry is often one of the most difficult sins to get rid of since many live in a world of dualism where they try to seperate elements that were never meant to be seperated.


One Messianic Jew, known as Alan Hirsh, tried to address it the best (IMHO) when it came to noting Dualism in the Christian world.....and life in general. For when people try to say things such as "this is sacred" or this is "secular" and don't see the Lord in all things, they tend to try to create categories where none exist...and tolerate behaviors that normally would not be acceptable because they treat certain areas of their lives as "seperate" from their walks with the Lord. For more, one can go online/look up the work entitled the following:


Alan Hirsch, in the book, the Forgotten Ways, offers the following reflection:

"Isn't it interesting that most churchgoers report a radical disconnect between the God that rules Sunday to the gods that rule Monday? How many of us live as if there were different gods for every sphere of life? A god for work, another for family, a different one when we are at the movies, or one for our politics. No wonder the average churchgoer can't seem to make sense of it all. All this results from a failure to respond truly to the One God. This failure can be addressed only by a discipleship that responds by offering all the disparate elements of our lives back to God, thus unifying our lives under his lordship" (97).

He also shared on p.g 87 of "Forgotten Ways" how polytheists would often do differing things in differing areas of life because they believed in many gods. Polytheism doesn’t have a unfied God that controls all spheres. Each sphere has its own god. Most of those gods didn’t care much for human beings and it was often a dangerous life as people saw it since you always ran the risk of offending (one of the reasons for the Unknown God by those in Athens in Acts 17 ). If they were at the river, they'd act a certain way so as to entertain the river god/have favor and not be harmed....but when walking down a dirt path, they may've felt they needed to be different so as to not offend a nature god/spirit....and when home, they'd make sacrifices to another god for success. There was not consistency. Polytheism ruled the day of the New Testament. Into this context came the claim that ‘there is only one God and His name is Yahweh.’ This was a call to loyalty. As a result, all domains of our lives were told to come under submission to the one God (rather than being loyal to lots of gods). For worship is offering all of our world back to God and Biblical discipleship calls people towards a unification of our life to God.

Sadly, there are a myriad of ways people can end up living like de-facto polytheists and not really understand it. And it's something to remember today. Again, the original Hebrew context was polytheistic...one of the reasons the Lord often had to come to them/say that they needed to get rid of other gods and why they often seemed prone to think God (El Shaddai) was like the Cannanite god EL (who also allowed for other gods to serve him). To the early Hebrews, the message to them was, Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one; love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, strength. (Deut 6.4-9). Torah relates all aspects of life to God – from the temple to what you do when your donkey falls into a pit. The early church proclaims ‘Jesus is Lord’ in the same way; the gods were different, but still many, as indeed they are today. They refused to keep the pantheon and the overlordship of Caesar...for Jesus is Lord. We have adopted Christocentric monotheism...so genuinely Messianic monotheism rejects separation of sacred from secular. Our task is to make all aspects of life sacred, and not to limit the presence of God to spooky religious zones. God is not only encountered in special places, requiring a priestly paraphernalia to mediate our experience of him. God, Church and World are three overlapping circles (not God and World separate with Church in the middle linking them!). Our task is to integrate all aspects of life under the lordship of Jesus – leave one out (eg apartheid, or work) and disaster follows. In Rwanda, ‘Christian’ served as a brand name, but not a commitment to a common Lord, which would have stopped Christians killing one another.

Anytime dualistic, while we may be confessing monotheists, we may end up practicing polytheists..for dualistic expressions of faith always lead to practical polytheism.
 
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Christians already were celebrating the birth of Jesus in December before Constantine was born. It's because the Gospel timeline indicates He was born a few months after John the baptizer, who was born 9 months after his father Zechariah was struck mute while serving in the Temple. We know from recovered archeological data the exact times when Zechariah's family was serving in the Temple. December is the calculated date. Doesn't preach well for some Messianics but who cares? The facts fall on the side of tradition in this case. God shows amazing prevenient grace to mankind by picking such times to relate to all men. .
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Facts are facts...and as much as there may be things done during the Holidays that may not be accurate, it's error to try doing as many Messianics do and dismiss all aspects of tradition as if it's unbiblical. For early Jewish believers (and Jewish believers today) to note the same thing when it comes to saying how people did celebrate Christ during December, trying to say believers can't celebrate seems to only go so far.
 
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In order to have a birth date of Dec 25th you would have to be conceived before March 30th in a normal 9 month period. We know that within a short period of time from Zachariah's service in the temple, his wife Elizabeth became pregnant. Six months into the pregnancy Mary comes to visit. All we have to do is figure out which temple service Zachariah got his meeting with God and lost his voice.

Let's take a look at the Zachariah's priestly schedule... and for the sake of conversation let's give Elizabeth a couple of weeks to get pregnant after Zachariah gets back from temple service...

Abib - Nisan (March - April)

1st week - Jehoiarib [1] 2nd week - Jedaiah [2]
3rd week - all priests - Passover and Feast of Unleaven Bread - Zachariah is in the temple service
That would put it around the middle of April that Elizabeth could have got pregnant + 6 months for Mary then Yeshua would have been born around June ??
4th week - Harim [3]

Zif - Iyyar (April - May)

5th week - Seorim [4]
6th week - Malchijah [5]
7th week - Mijamin [6]
8th week - Hazzoz [7]

Sivan (May - June)

9th week - Pentecost - 7 weeks from Feast of unleavened Bread - Zachariah serves in temple
10th week - Abijah [8] Zachariah will stay to continue to serve in the temple.
That would put it around the middle of June that Elizabeth could have got pregnant + 6 months for Mary then Yeshua would have been born around the end of September ??
11th week - Jeshuah [9]
12th week - Shecaniah [10]

June - July

13th week - Eliashib [11]
14th week - Jakim [12]
15th week - Huppah [13]
16th week - Jeshebeab [14]

July Aug

17th week - Bilgah [15]
18th week - Immer [16]
19th week - Hezir [17]
20th week - Aphses [18]

Aug Sept

21st week - Pethahiah [19]
22nd week - Jehezekel [20]
23rd week - Jachim [21]
24th week - Gamul [22]

Sept - Oct

25th week - Feast of Trumpets - Delaiah [23]
26th week - Day of Atonement - MaaziahJehoiarib [24]
27th week - Feast of Tabernacles - Zachariah will in serving in temple
That would put it around the end of October that Elizabeth could have got pregnant + 6 months for Mary then Yeshua would have been born around the middle of January ??

28th week - Jehoiarib [1]

Oct Nov

29th week - Jedaiah [2]
30th week - Harim [3]
31st week - Seorim [4]
32nd week - Malchijah [5]

Nov Dec

33th week - Mijamin [6]
34th week - Hazzoz [7]
35th week - Abijah [8] Zachariah will serve in the temple.
That would put it around the first of January that Elizabeth could have got pregnant + 6 months for Mary then Yeshua would have been born around middle of April ??
36th week - Jeshuah [9]

Dec Jan

37th week - Shecaniah [10]
38th week - Eliashib [11]
39th week - Jakim [12]
40th week - Huppah [13]

Jan Feb
41th week - Jeshebeab [14]
42th week - Bilgah [15]
43th week - Immer [16]
44th week - Hezir [17]

Feb March
45th week - Aphses [18]
46th week - Pethahiah [19]
47th week - Jehezekel [20]
48th week - Jachim [21]

And every so many years the Jewish Calendar has an extra month.

So there we have it, Yeshua was born in or around January, April, June, or September.. I choose the September day because SO many of the other cycles of Appointed times and their meanings fit too.
 
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They didn't. Christians already were celebrating the birth of Jesus in December before Constantine was born. It's because the Gospel timeline indicates He was born a few months after John the baptizer, who was born 9 months after his father Zechariah was struck mute while serving in the Temple. We know from recovered archeological data the exact times when Zechariah's family was serving in the Temple. December is the calculated date. Doesn't preach well for some Messianics but who cares? The facts fall on the side of tradition in this case. God shows amazing prevenient grace to mankind by picking such times to relate to all men. He's bigger than Tim Hegg's doctrine.


That's pretty much what I said, it didn't begin with Constantine, it just kind of culminated with his regime. But it had begun, I think at least 2 centuries before. Just an assimilation of something pagan for the newbies to hang onto in such a different type religion.

:wave: I'm with you, Contra, all this screaming about paganism is really silly. If a believer wants to have a christmas tree and decorations and presents on Dec. 25 in a celebration of Yeshua's birth - there is nothing wrong in this. What's wrong is using this designated time as a time to PARTEE without a thought to the holiness that is what brought it all about.

I, personally, do not celebrate it but I don't judge those that do as being wrong or evil or unlearned or pagan. It's none of my business. And I do not separate myself from those who do celebrate it with pure hearts toward Yeshua. :hug: Who am I to judge how they choose to celebrate our Master? When all is said and done, it may be us who don't celebrate it that were wrong, and I sure don't want to stand beneath my own harsh judgment, that's for sure, 'cause we humans are great at passing judgment :holy: if we don't check ourselves constantly! Whew! may it never be! :pray:
 
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I asked a Rabbi one time: “Why is a cow horn not used as a Shofar?” The Rabbi told me: “because we got into trouble with the cow before.” [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]It's just a cow horn.[/FONT]

Right, but that cow (golden calf) that was made was to represent G-d himself. As Aaron proclaimed, Here, Israel is your god!

Sure, it's OK to worship G-d however you feel right, right? Deut 12
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Is that a common Messianic view?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]One Friday morning I meet a woman who I know was Jewish in a supermarket. In her cart were Lobster's, I asked her what the Lobster was for. She told me she was having Guest for her Shabbat dinner. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Now I ask you: “Is this a common Jewish view?”[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][/FONT]

Last statistics I saw about 20% of Jews keep some sort of kosher. So...by your analogy we could go either way. Lobster, not at all kosher. Do Jews eat it? Yes. So...I am not sure what you are saying? Perhaps no, it isn't a common messianic view?
 
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-golden cow is Israels G-d ... ??
-lobster veiws ...??

haha I'm glad I am not alone in digressing .

idolatry and eating of meats clean or unclean ...if i randomly read only this page and took all the above out of context -id think id stumbled into a cult thread ..


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-golden cow is Israels G-d ... ??
-lobster veiws ...??

haha I'm glad I am not alone in digressing .

idolatry and eating of meats clean or unclean ...if i randomly read only this page and took all the above out of context -id think id stumbled into a cult thread ..


_said in humor _
You don't belong here anyway, so why are you here making silly posts?

I guess you've never read the Torah??

Exodus 32 to be precise

Take off the gold earrings that your wives, your sons and your daughters are wearing, and bring them to me." 3 So all the people took off their earrings and brought them to Aaron. 4 He took what they handed him and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it with a tool. Then they said, "These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt." 5 When Aaron saw this, he built an altar in front of the calf and announced, "Tomorrow there will be a festival to the LORD." 6 So the next day the people rose early and sacrificed burnt offerings and presented fellowship offerings. Afterward they sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry. 7 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go down, because your people, whom you brought up out of Egypt, have become corrupt. 8 They have been quick to turn away from what I commanded them and have made themselves an idol cast in the shape of a calf. They have bowed down to it and sacrificed to it and have said, 'These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.'
 
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You don't belong here anyway, so why are you here making silly posts?

I guess you've never read the Torah??

Exodus 32 to be precise

You missed the part where i stated - "-said in humor-" ? perhaps?

and don't make assumptions lol - im well familiar with the account of the Golden calf

as for not belonging - are we not believers in the Messiah here ?
do we not hold to the same faith in our hearts ?
are we to so segregate ourselves that we cut one another off from fellowship. God being our father by the Grace of his mercy his word and his Blood shed .
as David said so say I - "In thy WORD oh Lord do I put my trust"
 
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You don't belong here anyway, so why are you here making silly posts?

I guess you've never read the Torah??

Exodus 32 to be precise


I'm not positive but I think that quote is the only place where Hashem says that Israel is someone else's people and not "My people."
 
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-golden cow is Israels G-d ... ??
-lobster veiws ...??

haha I'm glad I am not alone in digressing .

idolatry and eating of meats clean or unclean ...if i randomly read only this page and took all the above out of context -id think id stumbled into a cult thread ..


_said in humor _

Following the context of the threads and seeing some of the differing directions they've gone into, it'd indeed not be difficult to think something crazy was being discussed if missing what was said.:) Glad to have you around and thanks for the humor..
 
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