Proof that God exists?

[Skavau]

They do. Indeed they do Mark.

However, I am not speaking of just a feeling. In fact, I am not speaking of feeling at all. For I am not speaking of emotion but of intuitive, God given knowledge and awareness.

Even the most simple of persons discern rightly that the universe is evidence of God.

Nope.

I do not have any such tendency at all. When I think of the universe it doesn't come up at all.

And our conscience within us either accuses or excuses us regarding God's righteous decrees.

No.

My conscience functions when I think I have done something wrong, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with God. Some things that theists call God's "righteous decrees" I do not and have no aversion to or fear from at all.

 

[Skavau]

I am concerned for everyone here, atheist or not.

Why should I not be?

I would want someone to be concerned about me.

I'd perhaps have more concern if I thought there was anything specific to be concerned about. I think your beliefs are wrong and your moral compass completely disturbed but that's not my place.

I'd perhaps have more sympathy had you not lied about atheists time and time again. You'd probably find yourself less alienated here if you had not done that.

 

[Danyc]

They do. Indeed they do Mark.

However, I am not speaking of just a feeling. In fact, I am not speaking of feeling at all. For I am not speaking of emotion but of intuitive, God given knowledge and awareness.

Even the most simple of persons discern rightly that the universe is evidence of God.

And our conscience within us either accuses or excuses us regarding God's righteous decrees.

"Oh, I am not speaking of a mere 'feeling'!"

*Goes on to describe a feeling*

 

[The Engineer]

However, I am not speaking of just a feeling. In fact, I am not speaking of feeling at all. For I am not speaking of emotion but of intuitive, God given knowledge and awareness.

Intuition is not an argument.

Even the most simple of persons discern rightly that the universe is evidence of God.

They don't. They just think they know, for no reason at all.

And our conscience within us either accuses or excuses us regarding God's righteous decrees.

Really? Somehow, my conscience doesn't work that way. Doesn't tell me anything about God's existence.

I am concerned for everyone here, atheist or not.

Good for you. Who cares?

 

[Elioenai26]

Nope.

I do not have any such tendency at all. When I think of the universe it doesn't come up at all.


No.

My conscience functions when I think I have done something wrong, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with God. Some things that theists call God's "righteous decrees" I do not and have no aversion to or fear from at all.

I am sure you are correct in saying that now when you think of the universe no thought of God comes to mind. In fact I know that you are speaking the truth.

However, you have not always thought this way. There was a time in your life, however short in duration this time may have been, that you did understand that the universe was a demonstration of God's great power. This was more than likely when you were younger and before you had deliberately chosen to reject this illuminating knowledge.

 

[Skavau]

I am sure you are correct in saying that now when you think of the universe no thought of God comes to mind. In fact I know that you are speaking the truth.

I'm glad you accept my word on that at least.

However, you have not always thought this way. There was a time in your life, however short in duration this time may have been, that you did understand that the universe was a demonstration of God's great power. This was more than likely when you were younger and before you had deliberately chosen to reject this illuminating knowledge.

No there wasn't.

Period.

Unlike some others on here I've never been a Christian, or even a theist. Perhaps I was mesmerised by the sky when I was five and came up with daft childish conclusions.

I no longer do and no longer have any tendency or inclination towards any kind of theism whatsoever in any context.

 

[Elioenai26]

Intuition is not an argument.


They don't. They just think they know, for no reason at all.


Really? Somehow, my conscience doesn't work that way. Doesn't tell me anything about God's existence.


Good for you. Who cares?

Dear sir, I am not arguing or debating with anyone here. Nor have I used intuition as an argument to convince anyone of anything.

Your conscience accuses you or excuses you regarding right and wrong.

At one point in my life, I deliberately and willfully ignored and silenced the accusing voice of conscience within me.

I then was capable of anything. Because one has silenced the voice of conscience, does not mean that it does not exist. It does exist, but one who will not heed it's reprovings, will not be convicted by them.

 

[Elioenai26]

I'm glad you accept my word on that at least.


No there wasn't.

Period.

Unlike some others on here I've never been a Christian, or even a theist. Perhaps I was mesmerised by the sky when I was five and came up with daft childish conclusions.

I no longer do and no longer have any tendency or inclination towards any kind of theism whatsoever in any context.

If by childish conclusions you mean God as creator, then you were correct.

However, you have chosen to reject that simple self-evident truth for a lie and have chosen to fashion the world according to your own liking.

This is what the Scriptures speak of when they say that men exchange the truth of God for a lie.

The lie allows them to live free of the righteous requirements of God. This amounts to worshiping the creature instead of the Creator.

This is what is described as idol worship.

A person either reverences God, or himself.

There is no third option.

Lucifer that one who became so consumed with pride that he said in his heart he would be as God, fell from the height of heaven because he worshipped himself instead of the God of all Glory.

 

[Gadarene]

If by childish conclusions you mean God as creator, then you were correct.

However, you have chosen to reject that simple self-evident truth for a lie and have chosen to fashion the world according to your own liking.

This is what the Scriptures speak of when they say that men exchange the truth of God for a lie.

The lie allows them to live free of the righteous requirements of God. This amounts to worshiping the creature instead of the Creator.

This is what is described as idol worship.

A person either reverences God, or himself.

There is no third option.

Lucifer that one who became so consumed with pride that he said in his heart he would be as God, fell from the height of heaven because he worshipped himself instead of the God of all Glory.

Nope, we worship nothing, including ourselves.

More baseless Christian platitudes.

 

[Skavau]

If by childish conclusions you mean God as creator, then you were correct.

One of several options.

However given I cannot remember how I thought when I looked at the night sky at five I cannot say what I thought. All I know is that I have never been a theist for as long as I have known what the word meant.

However, you have chosen to reject that simple self-evident truth for a lie and have chosen to fashion the world according to your own liking.

That belief in a God might be intuitive does not make it true and certainly not "self-evident." It simply means that our intuition has the capacity to mislead and misinform us. What matters is that now I have no drive, nor instinct whatsoever towards a God. The very idea of following a God comes across to me as static noise and feels repellent.

Now those I can tell you are instinctive responses and I will further say I cannot in good conscience adulate or worship any God.

I have not additionally decided to "fashion the world according to my own liking" (whatever that means).

This is what the Scriptures speak of when they say that men exchange the truth of God for a lie.

The scriptures have some ready made explanation for why people disbelieve? Who'd have thought it! The scriptures also fashion this explanation to be so vague and all-encompassing that it can in fact encompass everyone.

The lie allows them to live free of the righteous requirements of God. This amounts to worshiping the creature instead of the Creator.

My disbelief of God has nothing to do with worshiping other things nor does it have anything to do with trying to live free of his "righteous" requirements. You might have noticed but I disbelieve in all asserted Gods, not just the God of the Bible.

This is what is described as idol worship.

I guess it is simple to describe anything as anything when you have no kind of definition holding you back. Red is green and blue is apples whilst apples are oranges.

Anything goes in fantasy land!

A person either reverences God, or himself.

There is no third option.

I'm afraid there is.

You or your scriptures declaration of otherwise makes no odds to that.

Lucifer that one who became so consumed with pride that he said in his heart he would be as God, fell from the height of heaven because he worshipped himself instead of the God of all Glory.

A good job then that I am not Lucifer, not worshiping myself and not attempting to be as God.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by uberd00b

Here's an interesting website purporting to prove without a doubt God's existence.
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Answering "I don´t care..." to the first question finished the whole thing before it had even started.
The tired old semantics trickery.

"Silly wabbit-Trix are for kids"

Isaiah 25:11 And He will spread out His hands in their midst, as a swimmer reaches out to swim,
And He will bring down their pride, together with the trickery of their hands.

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Jesus vs the Jews

Mark 14:1 After two days it was the Passover and [the Feast] of Unleavened Bread.
And the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take Him by trickery and put to death.

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[Lord Emsworth]

"Silly wabbit-Trix are for kids"

Isaiah 25:11 And He will spread out His hands in their midst, as a swimmer reaches out to swim,
And He will bring down their pride, together with the trickery of their hands.

Sometimes you wish it really were so.

And our conscience within us either accuses or excuses us regarding God's righteous decrees.

And that too. But I am not really seeing a lot of it. On the other hand, maybe the constant spewing of nearly meaningless platitudes and apologetic sophistry is merely a means of drowning out these accusation(s)?

 

[The Engineer]

Dear sir, I am not arguing or debating with anyone here.

I know, you're just here to preach to us, not to debate.

Nor have I used intuition as an argument to convince anyone of anything.

You did.

Your conscience accuses you or excuses you regarding right and wrong.

At one point in my life, I deliberately and willfully ignored and silenced the accusing voice of conscience within me.

I then was capable of anything. Because one has silenced the voice of conscience, does not mean that it does not exist. It does exist, but one who will not heed it's reprovings, will not be convicted by them.

So? How is that relevant? I now know you're a functional sociopath, but how is that relevant to the topic?

 

[BobRyan]

absolute proof God exists.

1. Pick up a flower - study it closely.

2. now throw it way.

3. Pick up your chemistry set.

4. Make a living flower using your chemistry set alone.

Hint: The Urey-Miller failure

 

[Skavau]

absolute proof God exists.

1. Pick up a flower - study it closely.

2. now throw it way.

3. Pick up your chemistry set.

4. Make a living flower using your chemistry set alone.

Plant seeds
water them
Grow flowers

????


Profit!

 

[Gadarene]

absolute proof God exists.

1. Pick up a flower - study it closely.

2. now throw it way.

3. Pick up your chemistry set.

4. Make a living flower using your chemistry set alone.

Hint: The Urey-Miller failure

All this shows is that a home chemistry set can't make flowers. Nothing to do with your deity - try again.

(And apparently god can make pretty flowers yet can't make a christian that can argue )

 

[Lord Emsworth]

absolute proof God exists.

1. Pick up a flower - study it closely.

2. now throw it way.

3. Pick up your chemistry set.

4. Make a living flower using your chemistry set alone.

Hint: The Urey-Miller failure

I have a much better idea.

absolute proof meaningless waffle.

1. Pick up a flower - study it closely.

2. now throw it way.

3. No third step.

4. Make a living flower using your immaterial mind alone.

Hint: Creatio ex-nihilo

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Elioenai26

Dear sir, I am not arguing or debating with anyone here.
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I know, you're just here to preach to us, not to debate.

He is just following orders

Isaiah 61:1 "The Spirit of YAHWEH GOD [is] upon Me, because YAHWEH has anointed Me to preach good tidings to the poor.
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and the opening of the prison to [those who are] bound

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say "repent! for the Kingdom of the Heavens is at hand."
Mark 16:15 And He said to them "go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature

 

[Gadarene]

I'm surprised at how quick some are to blow off the Miller-Urey experiment. It may not have made a flower but it made flower components form in a solution that didn't previously contain them. That's a pretty huge first step and hardly a shabby result for the first experiment of this kind.

Of course, denial runs strong with those religious whose beliefs are more important than truth.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I'm surprised at how quickly some are to blow off the Miller-Urey experiment. It may not have made a flower but it made flower components form in a solution that didn't previously contain them. That's a pretty huge first step and hardly a shabby result for the first experiment of this kind.

Of course, denial runs strong with those religious whose beliefs are more important than truth.

The truth can hurt sometimes

Jeremiah 10:10 But Yahweh is God in truth, He is a God that liveth and a King of times age-abiding.
At His anger quaketh the earth and nations cannot endure His wrath.

John 14:6 Jesus saith to him "I Am the way and the truth and the life,
no one doth come unto the Father if not through Me;

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