Former Navy SEAL Launches PAC To Fight Obama

[RedPaddy]

That seems like an irresponsible and dangerous mindset in which to vote. As of you couldn't care less about who replaces Obama as long as Obama is out. What if, to make a Godwininan faux pas, that meant electing the Nazi Party candidate?

What's their platform look like?

 

[jgarden]

As the Viet Nam War dragged on and became increasingly unpopular, many (if not most) draft aged men sought ways around a combat deployment. One of my brothers (like George W. Bush) joined the National Guard. Only one Guard unit was deployed during the entire war, so it was considered a "safe" way to meet the Selective Service requirement. Another brother worked with several doctors and they helped get him a medical deferment. I happened to get a favorable Draft Lottery number.

So, to criticise what any young man did back then reflects an ignorance of the social climate and times. They were just doing what was very common in that time. I think it's a silly enterprise in which to engage and is simply an attempt to smear the individual.

And, what does any of this have to do with the OP topic of the PAC?

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Colin Powell : "The policies — determining who would be drafted and who would be deferred, who would serve and who would escape, who would die and who would live — were an antidemocratic disgrace...I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well placed...managed to wangle slots in reserve and National Guard units. Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."

Champagne unit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

GW Bush and Dan Quayle are 2 prime examples to which Colin Powell is referring. The Texas Air National Guard 147th Fighter Interceptor Group stationed at Ellington Field in Houston became well known as a "champagne unit" uring the Vietnam War.

With the help of politicians, like Ben Barnes many, its members included such notables as:

- Lloyd Bentsen Jr., son of Lloyd Bentsen (served in the House of Representatives (1949 to 1955). a four-term United States senator (1971–1993) from Texas, Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, U.S. Treasury Secretary , Democratic Party nominee for Vice President in 1988 with Michael Dukakis)

- George W. Bush, son of George H. W. Bush (served in House of Representatives (1966 to 1970), Ambassador to the United Nations (1971 to 1973), Chairman of the Republican National Committee, Envoy to China, Director of Central Intelligence, 43rd Vice President of the United States (1981–89), 41st President of the United States (1989–93))

- John Connally III, son of John Connally Jr. (39th governor of Texas, Secretary of the Navy, Secretary of the Treasury)

- the son of John Tower (1st Republican United States senator from Texas since Reconstruction (1961 to 1985), appointed Chairman of Tower Commission that investigated the Iran-Contra Affair)

- James R. Bath - (friends with George W. Bush, set up Bath Bentsen Interests with Lloyd Benson's son, Director of the Main Bank in Houston (investors included John Connally), business relations with the bin Laden family)

- seven members of the Dallas Cowboys

Those without connections were sent to fight and die in Vietnam!
Only 0.3% of all members of the National Guard were ever sent to Vietnam.

 

[RedPaddy]

Those without connections were sent to fight and die in Vietnam! [/B]

So all those with connections fought and survived?

 

[jgarden]

So all those with connections fought and survived?

Those who served in "champagne units" fought and survived making the Mexican Gulf Coast safe from communism - without leaving the country.

As fot this Navy Seal, he's just one in a succession of Republican attempts to hide behind "so-called" veterans in an attempt to smear the reputations of their opponents. If Obama had served in combat with the military, like McCain and Kerry, it would have only provided more "ammunition" to label him as a coward and/or a traitor.

 

[RedPaddy]

Those who served in "champagne units" defended the Gulf Coast from communism - and never left the country

I thank all service men and women for their service.

I served in the Army. What branch did you serve in?

 

[TScott]

I thank all service men and women for their service.

I served in the Army. What branch did you serve in?

Way to completely ignore JGardens point. Thats really rude.

 

[RedPaddy]

Way to completely ignore JGardens point. Thats really rude.

No, rude is the disparaging of the service of those who served by those who have not.

 

[cow451]

No, rude is the disparaging of the service of those who served by those who have not.

Who is doing that?

 

[NightHawkeye]

Way to completely ignore JGardens point. Thats really rude.

LOL ... kinda looks to me like RedPaddy makes an even stronger point.

Isn't that the way Democrat "talking points" work, TScott?

... point ... counterpoint ... repeat, ad nauseum.

 

[RedPaddy]

As fot this Navy Seal, he's just one in a succession of Republican attempts to hide behind "so-called" veterans in an attempt to smear the reputations of their opponents. If Obama had served in combat with the military, like McCain and Kerry, it would have only provided more "ammunition" to label him as a coward and/or a traitor.

But since he chose not to serve in any capacity at all I can only surmise that he is more concerned with his personal safety.

 

[TScott]

But since he chose not to serve in any capacity at all I can only surmise that he is more concerned with his personal safety.

What are you talking about? Obama was 14 when conscription ended. That's what this discussion is about-conscription-people who avoided the draft. Please stay on topic.

 

[MachZer0]

What are you talking about? Obama was 14 when conscription ended. That's what this discussion is about-conscription-people who avoided the draft. Please stay on topic.

Actually, the topic here is a former SEAL starting a PAC to help Romney defeat Obama

 

[RedPaddy]

Actually TScot, if you reread the OP, this thread has nothing to do with the draft.

(didn't know you were a special assistant mod either!)

 

[cow451]

Actually, the topic here is a former SEAL starting a PAC to help Romney defeat Obama

How soon we forget ........

 

[MachZer0]

And what agreements were those?

Like his agreement to join the ROTC program

 

[TScott]

Actually TScot, if you reread the OP, this thread has nothing to do with the draft.

(didn't know you were a special assistant mod either!)

Actually RedPady if you had been following the thread, we made the connection a few pages ago.

 

[TScott]

Actually, the topic here is a former SEAL starting a PAC to help Romney defeat Obama

Yeah, a former SEAL who is supporting a candidate who avoided the draft and supported the war: a ChickenHawk.

 

[MachZer0]

Yeah, a former SEAL who is supporting a candidate who avoided the draft and supported the war: a ChickenHawk.

As I recall, Romney was eligible for the draft after his mission work and simply was not called. Is there a problem with that?

 

[TLK Valentine]

As I recall, Romney was eligible for the draft after his mission work and simply was not called. Is there a problem with that?

Not a problem at all -- he used up his excuses and rolled the dice (as it were) a lot fewer times than he would've had to otherwise.

 

[cow451]

Not a problem at all -- he used up his excuses and rolled the dice (as it were) a lot fewer times than he would've had to otherwise.

His mission work after high school is common for his religion, so I don't see any reason to imply he did so to avoid the draft. Probably just a happy coincidence. But his father was wealthy and connected, so Mitt would've had no problem being kept away from Viet Nam.