George Zimmerman, the Constitution, and the shifting politics of self-defense

[RaiseTheDead]

Once Zimmerman finishes with this case, he has another coming over the horizon - and according to this witness, she's not the only one he molested!

You want to prosecute him for being horny when he was 8?

 

[MachZer0]

It's speculation based on the statement which could be untrue.

Information based on Zimmerman's statements is not speculation

Which is all only based on Zimmerman's statement, which could have been a false statement.

Except that the physical evidence supports his statements

But there's no way to know since he killed the other person involved.



We don't know. We only know that Zimmerman gave a statement. That's the only thing that can be proven.

Noting that all the physical evidence and actually eyewitness evidence supports Zimmerman

 

[MachZer0]

I don't believe that is public information. That might violate client confidentiality. However, the information that was submitted was not true. That is what the judge said.

So it all boils down to you and others accusing Zimmerman of lying and committing perjury but you cannot produce the lie and you cannot explain why perjury charges have not been filed.

 

[MachZer0]

Once Zimmerman finishes with this case, he has another coming over the horizon - and according to this witness, she's not the only one he molested!

Irrelevant

 

[Touma]

Irrelevant

Speaks to his character.

 

[MachZer0]

Speaks to his character.

It won't even be allowed at any trial, although I don't expect one. And here's a prediction for you. The alleged victim of molestation would never get on the stand at any trial and subject herself to cross examination

 

[mpok1519]

Information based on Zimmerman's statements is not speculation

You're speculating that the information he gave was true.

Except that the physical evidence supports his statements

That will be for the courts to decide.

Noting that all the physical evidence and actually eyewitness evidence supports Zimmerman

Again the courts will determine what if any credibility Mr Zimmerman has to qualify his statements as factual. So far he has managed to lie about his passport, and his family tried failed to falsify financial information.

The courts will even determine if his own statements are reliable. So far, not looking like a trustworthy guy.

He will have other pending charges too, whether it's a civil suit, or another criminal death charge, or just any criminal charge, so it looks like the weirdo is going to find justice one way or another, God willing.

 

[RaiseTheDead]

The courts will even determine if his own statements are reliable. So far, not looking like a trustworthy guy.

Ad hom AND poisoning the well And the real problem here, is this actually IS the way our court system works ... (Noting none of this has any bearing on what actually happened on the night in question)

 

[MachZer0]

You're speculating that the information he gave was true.

His voice stress analysis revealed he was telling the truth and nothing has surfaced to dispute him. NOTHING

That will be for the courts to decide.



Again the courts will determine what if any credibility Mr Zimmerman has to qualify his statements as factual. So far he has managed to lie about his passport, and his family tried failed to falsify financial information.

The courts will even determine if his own statements are reliable. So far, not looking like a trustworthy guy.

He will have other pending charges too, whether it's a civil suit, or another criminal death charge, or just any criminal charge,

What I anticipate is that Zimmerman will indeed get a new judge, he will then at some point call for his Stand Your Ground hearing. The new judge will will make a determination regarding whether or not Zimmerman acted in self defense will be determined by that new judge based on a preponderance of evidence. Seeing as how there is absolutely no evidence to dispute Zimmerman, the judge will most likely rule that Zimmerman did indeed act in self defense. At that point, Zimmerman becomes immune not only to prosecution but from civil action.

so it looks like the weirdo is going to find justice one way or another, God willing.

More and more as time passes and new information comes out, it appears that justice was served the night that Martin was shot and killed.

 

[mpok1519]

Ad hom AND poisoning the well

The authorities frown on falsifying information.

And the real problem here, is this actually IS the way our court system works ... (Noting none of this has any bearing on what actually happened on the night in question)

Kinda makes ythink he dug his own grave so to speak.

 

[Vylo]

How did this stuff about when he was 8 get in there? That doesn't speak to his character, everyone does reckless and dumb things when they are kids.

 

[MachZer0]

The authorities frown on falsifying information.

Kinda makes ythink he dug his own grave so to speak.

A lot of information has been falsified abut what happened between Zimmerman and Martin, and some of that falsifying seems to have come from the authorities

 

[mpok1519]

His voice stress analysis revealed he was telling the truth and nothing has surfaced to dispute him. NOTHING

I don't think those and lie detector tests are inadmissible as evidence.

What I anticipate is that Zimmerman will indeed get a new judge, he will then at some point call for his Stand Your Ground hearing. The new judge will will make a determination regarding whether or not Zimmerman acted in self defense will be determined by that new judge based on a preponderance of evidence. Seeing as how there is absolutely no evidence to dispute Zimmerman, the judge will most likely rule that Zimmerman did indeed act in self defense. At that point, Zimmerman becomes immune not only to prosecution but from civil action. More and more as time passes and new information comes out, it appears that justice was served the night that Martin was shot and killed.

In your opinion; many disagree. But as Zimmerman is cross examined discrepancies in his story when the investigation has taken place and simple math(jogging distance to and from where his car was when he first called 911, where his car was when he persued Martin, where and if he displaced himself from a safe location to observe and report, and the location of the incident itself, as well as Martin's location during the course of the night) will not add up and the courts will decide wether or not he acted in a reckless and dangerous manner that resulted in the death of someone's child. Sure, his story can add up, but theres evidence to suggest he acted recklessly, like, being some rando cop wannabe vigilante on pharmaceutical drugs who arms himself and calls nine one one on kids (because crime exists, and he's suffering from paranoid delusion) then goes following them in the middle of the night. Did he try to identify himself calmly and open a dialogue? Or did he just yell "WhAt ARE YOU DOING Here?!" and aggressively and combatantly confront Martin? These are all things that are going to be taken into account, and experts will be called in to testify and weigh-in on a psychological evaluation to assist in their findings.

There is sooooo much more to this case than "Zimmerman said this. Eye witness thinks they saw this. Limited forensic evidence by a blundering police force limits conclusions."

There is SO MUCH more.

 

[mpok1519]

A lot of information has been falsified abut what happened between Zimmerman and Martin, and some of that falsifying seems to have come from the authorities

Yes. Zimmerman who falsified information claiming that they're falsifying information.

 

[jgarden]

oops

 

[TerranceL]

How did this stuff about when he was 8 get in there? That doesn't speak to his character, everyone does reckless and dumb things when they are kids.

Sounds like good old fashioned poisoning the well.

 

[MachZer0]

I don't think those and lie detector tests are inadmissible as evidence.

Not sure if it will be admissible at the pre-trial hearing but it does tell us that he's telling the truth when combined with the fact that the physical evidence supports him.

In your opinion; many disagree. But as Zimmerman is cross examined discrepancies in his story when the investigation has taken place and simple math(jogging distance to and from where his car was when he first called 911, where his car was when he persued Martin, where and if he displaced himself from a safe location to observe and report, and the location of the incident itself, as well as Martin's location during the course of the night) will not add up and the courts will decide wether or not he acted in a reckless and dangerous manner that resulted in the death of someone's child. Sure, his story can add up, but theres evidence to suggest he acted recklessly, like, being some rando cop wannabe vigilante on pharmaceutical drugs who arms himself and calls nine one one on kids (because crime exists, and he's suffering from paranoid delusion) then goes following them in the middle of the night. Did he try to identify himself calmly and open a dialogue? Or did he just yell "WhAt ARE YOU DOING Here?!" and aggressively and combatantly confront Martin? These are all things that are going to be taken into account, and experts will be called in to testify and weigh-in on a psychological evaluation to assist in their findings.

There isn't anything there that incriminates Zimmerman. Where he was, how he got there and how long it should take him to get there don't matter. He had every legal right to be wherever he was and to get there however he wished in whatever time frame suited him. None of that is reckless behavior.

There is sooooo much more to this case than "Zimmerman said this. Eye witness thinks they saw this. Limited forensic evidence by a blundering police force limits conclusions."

There is SO MUCH more.

And it all supports Zimmerman's case

 

[jgarden]

A lot of information has been falsified abut what happened between Zimmerman and Martin, and some of that falsifying seems to have come from the authorities

"MachZerO" is good at throwing out accusations but completly ignores post #219 because it doesn't fit into his predetermined version of what transpired.

"MachZerO" expects a degree of legal correctness from everyone - except himself.

George Zimmerman reminds mine of an O. J. Simpson who "]

 

[MachZer0]

"MachAerO" has conviently ignored to ignore post #219 becausew it doesn't fit into his predetermined version of the truth. Zimmerman is another O. J. Simpson

Here's a suggestion. Don't make a brief post, edit it extensively long after it has already been read and then claim people are ignoring it.

 

[mpok1519]

Not sure if it will be admissible at the pre-trial hearing but it does tell us that he's telling the truth when combined with the fact that the physical evidence supports him.
There isn't anything there that incriminates Zimmerman. Where he was, how he got there and how long it should take him to get there don't matter. He had every legal right to be wherever he was and to get there however he wished in whatever time frame suited him. None of that is reckless behavior.
And it all supports Zimmerman's case

Plenty if evidence suggested he acted recklessly, and the courts will decide if his course of actions are what a person of sound mind would do.