Are You an Animal?

[Jamin4422]

Or a nudist colony
Btw, the adam and eve were nude before the serpent beguiled them in the garden

There are some archaeologists that believe that clothing could go back as far as 34,000 years.

 

[jpcedotal]

From a Biblical standpoint, from God's viewpoint, we are not animals...that's all that matters to me.

 

[jpcedotal]

I think the fact that a 6 year old thread can be posted on without missing a beat shows us just how the same questions/debates we have been having for the last 6 years have not made any progress.

Really, we all are just pinning our wheels with these type of debates because no one is changing sides.

 

[juvenissun]

I think the fact that a 6 year old thread can be posted on without missing a beat shows us just how the same questions/debates we have been having for the last 6 years have not made any progress.

Really, we all are just pinning our wheels with these type of debates because no one is changing sides.

In fact, this is a thousand-year-old question. King Solomon had given good argument to it back in his time. And this question will continue to exist.

 

[Split Rock]

I think the fact that a 6 year old thread can be posted on without missing a beat shows us just how the same questions/debates we have been having for the last 6 years have not made any progress.

Really, we all are just pinning our wheels with these type of debates because no one is changing sides.

We ocassionally save a creationist here and there. Never the other way around as far as I know. Then there are also the lurkers, who may be on the fence.

 

[Split Rock]

From a Biblical standpoint, from God's viewpoint, we are not animals...that's all that matters to me.

Doesn't the bible distinguish between man and beasts, as in "beasts of the field?" Also, your god made you an animal. He gave you the circulatory, pulmonary, nervous, reproductive, immunological systems of an animal. Was that a mistake on his part?

 

[Hammster]

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[juvenissun]

Doesn't the bible distinguish between man and beasts, as in "beasts of the field?" Also, your god made you an animal. He gave you the circulatory, pulmonary, nervous, reproductive, immunological systems of an animal. Was that a mistake on his part?

Absolutely not. Don't you forget the last "breath" from God. That makes all the differences.

 

[Pwnzerfaust]

Well, yes, of course. The definition of animal is as follows:

noun 1. any member of the kingdom Animalia, comprising multicellular organisms that have a well-defined shape and usually limited growth, can move voluntarily, actively acquire food and digest it internally, and have sensory and nervous systems that allow them to respond rapidly to stimuli

So, let's break this down. If you disagree that we are animals, you must disagree with one of the specifics of that definition.

Do you disagree that we are of the kingdom Animalia? That's simple taxonomy.

Do you disagree that we are multicellular organisms?

Do you disagree that we have a well-defined shape?

Do you disagree that we usually have limited growth?

Do you disagree that we can move voluntarily?

Do you disagree that we actively acquire food?

Do you disagree that we internally digest our food?

Do you disagree that we have sensory systems?

Do you disagree that we have nervous systems?

Do you disagree that those systems allow us to respond rapidly to stimuli?

If you say we are not animals, you must disagree with one of those things. So which one is it? Tell us, and defend your position.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Because just like you and me he was an animal and just like him our knowledge will die when we die.

The OT book of Daniel and the NT book of Revelation of the Christian bible mentions a "beast".

Is this symbolizing a literal beast or a person?

Young) Daniel 7:11 `I was seeing then, because of the voice of the great words that the horn is speaking,
I was seeing till that the beast is slain, and his body hath been destroyed, and given to the burning fire;

Young) Revelation 19:20 and the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet who did the signs before him, in which he led astray those who did receive the mark of the beast, and those who did bow before his image;
living they were cast--the two--to the lake of the fire that is burning with brimstone;

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G2342 matches the Greek θηρίον (thērion), which occurs 46 times in 38 verses in the Greek concordance

2342. therion thay-ree'-on diminutive from the same as 2339; a dangerous animal:--(venomous, wild) beast.

 

[Split Rock]

Absolutely not. Don't you forget the last "breath" from God. That makes all the differences.

Are you saying that you do not have the circulatory, pulmonary, nervous, reproductive, immunological systems of an animal? Please provide some examples of how ours differ from other animals.

 

[Delphiki]

Do you disagree that we have a well-defined shape?

I disagree with that one, but hey, don't judge me! I'm eating better and going for walks.

 

[Pwnzerfaust]

I disagree with that one, but hey, don't judge me! I'm eating better and going for walks.

Well, I'm sure we have no idea what you are.

 

[brinny]

The OT book of Daniel and the NT book of Revelation of the Christian bible mentions a "beast".

Is this symbolizing a literal beast or a person?

Young) Daniel 7:11 `I was seeing then, because of the voice of the great words that the horn is speaking,
I was seeing till that the beast is slain, and his body hath been destroyed, and given to the burning fire;

Young) Revelation 19:20 and the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet who did the signs before him, in which he led astray those who did receive the mark of the beast, and those who did bow before his image;
living they were cast--the two--to the lake of the fire that is burning with brimstone;

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G2342 matches the Greek θηρίον (thērion), which occurs 46 times in 38 verses in the Greek concordance

2342. therion thay-ree'-on diminutive from the same as 2339; a dangerous animal:--(venomous, wild) beast.

wondering if those who are unrepentant and remain so, turn into "beasts".....beast meaning "beastly" and the antithesis to anything of God...wondering, do they lose their "likeness" to God and become something literally "beastly"....?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Pwnzerfaust Do you disagree that we have a well-defined shape?

I disagree with that one, but hey, don't judge me! I'm eating better and going for walks.

Well, I'm sure we have no idea what you are.

I notice my waist size is a lot larger than it was a decade ago.
Must be old age metabolism causing it

 

[asiyreh]

When a lion eats a zebra he's not committing murder. When a hawk takes a fish from talons of another hawk he's not stealing the fish. This is the difference. You have the Law written on your hearts and the creation so you are without excuse.

 

[asiyreh]

I like numbers here's some interesting numbers.

Mathemathical impossibilty of evolution: CrEvo Rant #107 with Wazooloo - YouTube

Ahhh funny *dries eyes...

 

[brinny]

I like numbers here's some interesting numbers.

Mathemathical impossibilty of evolution: CrEvo Rant #107 with Wazooloo - YouTube

Ahhh funny *dries eyes...

LOL! LOVE this!

 

[Assyrian]

Okay, let’s pick the passage apart.

Eccl 3:18-20:

“I said in my heart with regard to the children of man that God is testing them that they may see that they themselves are but beasts.”

What kind of “testing” is the passage referring to? Is it a biology test or DNA test to prove humans are animals? Surely not! The Bible is not about science and biology.

The “testing” is simply to show that apart from God we die like animals.

Read the passage. It doesn't say he is testing us to show we die like animals but to show that we are animals.

Testing in the bible usually refer to subjecting people to trials to refine and purify them. In the context the trials are probably being subject to death and decay, but the purpose it to teach us the truth about our nature, that we are in ourselves just animals.

Man is compared to “beasts”, not because we share the same biology, but because we share the same fate of death with the animals: “For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other.”

Man also has no advantage over the animals because they both breathe the same air and without that air they both share the same fate of death: “They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts,” [FONT=&quot]

[/FONT]The writer is also making the point that man’s life seems rather meaningless because in the end we all share the same fate of death with the animals: “for all is vanity. All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return.”

Again he isn't say we are like an animals because we die etc., he says we are animals.

Other Bible translations make this point clearer by saying that man is “like the animals” or “no better than animals”, and show that man is like the animals simply because we share a similar experience (breathing) and a similar fate (death).

The NIV says:[FONT=&quot]

[/FONT]18 I also thought, “As for men, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals. 19 Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless.” [FONT=&quot]

[/FONT]The NLT puts it quite nicely:[FONT=&quot]

[/FONT]18Then I realized that God allows people to continue in their sinful ways so he can test them. That way, they can see for themselves that they are no better than animals. 19 For humans and animals both breathe the same air, and both die. So people have no real advantage over the animals. How meaningless!

You mean some less literal translations try to avoid the meaning of the text?

The ‘For’ is to show the similarity between man and beasts – they both share the same fate of death: [FONT=&quot]

[/FONT]“For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other.”

Doesn't 'For' usually give us reasons for something? THe writer is show us the reason he said we are beasts.

The only “testing” I see here in this passage is to show that apart from God man’s ultimate fate is to die like animals.

No, God is testing them that they may see that they themselves are but beasts.

The writer is teaching us a spiritual lesson of the need to “Fear God” in light of the pathetic fate we will be stuck with if we don’t. His intent is that we “Fear God” and be rescued from that pathetic fate of dying like animals. The whole book of Ecclesiastes is intended to make that point: [FONT=&quot]

[/FONT]“Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.” – (Eccl 12:13-14).

Certainly the writer is telling us to fear God, and show us we are in ourselves animals, animals in whose hearts God has written eternity. We have this longing written in our hearts and are lost without God.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by juvenissun An animal is a life which does not wear anything over its natural body in public.

This definition applied since Adam and Eve sinned. It is the simplest one which has a concrete criterion. And it is given in the Book of Genesis.

So only nudists are animals?

Dressing your pets up in public makes them people?

I have a shirt just like that!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7613523/
We Gentiles are dogs ??


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