Atheism (2)

[createdtoworship]

How exactly is that a keeper? If your whole basis for morality is "God says so", then you do not understand why things are moral.

If God came out tomorrow and announced that all black people must be burned at the stake, would you consider that a moral command, just because God said it?

Obedience is not morality, obedience is mindless slavery. Truly moral people are moral for the sake of being good. They don't need to be coerced by some magical slave-driver to act morally.

Obedience is not morality. That was your original sentence, you just added the comma just now. I am keeping the original I like it better.

 

[createdtoworship]

article associates "agenda" to burn churches with athiesm.

Suspect in Texas Church Fires Reportedly Had Books on Atheism | Fox News

 

[Dave Ellis]

theists have the same law as everyone else. the law is perfect converting the soul the Bible says. You suggest an imperfect law. So where is the athiest universal law, not talking about a philosophy class in college. but the real deal?

There isn't one, and evidence points to the fact that you don't have one either, even though you claim you do.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Obedience is not morality. That was your original sentence, you just added the comma just now. I am keeping the original I like it better.

How exactly is the comma relevant? The point is the same, obedience is not morality.

 

[Skavau]

article associates "agenda" to burn churches with athiesm.

Suspect in Texas Church Fires Reportedly Had Books on Atheism | Fox News

So what if he had books on atheism?

 

[Dave Ellis]

article associates "agenda" to burn churches with athiesm.

Suspect in Texas Church Fires Reportedly Had Books on Atheism | Fox News

Nice job on the prejudicial slander and abject bigotry.

Because of course, if one guy who happens to own a book on Atheism (and Demons I may add) burns a church down, then all Atheists are people that burn down churches, or advocate it.

The article doesn't even state the guy is an Atheist, it says he owns an atheist book or two, which many religious people do as well. Given the fact he also owns books on Demons, that would indicate to me he has supernatural beliefs of some kind.

 

[createdtoworship]

this is your typical athiest event huh? nice and loving.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/fort-bragg-to-host-anti-religion-event.html

this song about church burning wasn't at the event but ON THE EVENTS PROMOTIONAL WEBSITE!!!

yup yup, and so no I am narrow minded that I found two separate occasions of athiests involved or promoting church burning.

now what about the morals again?

oh yeah and the website that has the church burning video is here:

http://rockbeyondbelief.com/2012/02/05/music/

and remember this is the organizer for all the concerts for athiests at military bases.

 

[Dave Ellis]

yup yup, and so no I am narrow minded that I found two separate occasions of athiests involved or promoting church burning.

now what about the morals again?

oh yeah and the website that has the church burning video is here:

Music |

and remember this is the organizer for all the concerts for athiests at military bases.

Oh my, are you really going there? Since you are doing the equivalent of lobbing me a softball to hit over the fence.... I will be civil and allow you a chance to think this one over and retract your statement.

Ok, so you have two examples of Atheists that advocate burning Churches... (Well, actually one Atheist, and a guy that owned a book about Atheism that we don't know is an Atheist or not). Since you are tying that to morals, are you trying to make the case that all Atheists (or a majority of Atheists) share the morals those two guys do?

Yes, or no?

 

[Eudaimonist]

So where is the athiest universal law, not talking about a philosophy class in college. but the real deal?

There is no theist universal law, so why the double-standard?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

Did you ever need objectable proof to believe in air?? Just as the unseen air your now breathing is essential to life,so is the unseen "SPIRIT" of GOD. Amazingly all the "3" essential natural resources of life. Air,water,and fire...are all used as symbols in the Bible to represent the SPIRIT of GOD.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Did you ever need objectable proof to believe in air?? Just as the unseen air is essential to life,so is the unseen "SPIRIT" of GOD. Amazingly all the "3" essential natural resources of life. Air,water,and fire...are all used as symbols in the Bible to represent the SPIRIT of GOD.

We have objective proof for air. We can demonstrate it's existence by trees and flags blowing in the wind, the resistance we feel when waving our arms around, and our lungs expanding when we breathe in.

Likewise, we are aware of the three states of matter.... we can take air, cool it down and observe it's components (i.e. Oxygen/Nitrogen) in a visible state, either liquid or solid.

There's more examples I can give, but I'm sure you get the point.... there is plenty of observable, empirical evidence for Air. We have good reason to assume it exists

 

[Eudaimonist]

Did you ever need objectable proof to believe in air??

Yes. And there is objective proof of air.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

Check this one out my friend's,and tell me what you think:

FASCINATING! The God Particle CONUNDRUM! Discovered - but STILL No Answer! - YouTube

 

[variant]

Check this one out my friend's,and tell me what you think:

FASCINATING! The God Particle CONUNDRUM! Discovered - but STILL No Answer! - YouTube

We are never going to be able to explain everything so you are always going to be free to claim that God is an explaination.

Your claim though, has no meat.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Check this one out my friend's,and tell me what you think:

FASCINATING! The God Particle CONUNDRUM! Discovered - but STILL No Answer! - YouTube

What the hell? How did he make the leap to the Higgs Boson creating life?

The Higgs Boson gives mass to matter, that's it. This is an example of a scientifically inaccurate, and ignorant video. He's criticizing it for something no scientist has claimed that it does.

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

We are never going to be able to explain everything so you are always going to be free to claim that God is an explaination.

Your claim though, has no meat.

I didn't claim anything.

 

[variant]

I didn't claim anything.

You don't claim God as an explaination?

Welcome then, fellow atheist.

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

Oh you mean the air...yeah Dave did get me right good on that one.

 

[Elioenai26]

We are never going to be able to explain everything so you are always going to be free to claim that God is an explaination.

Your claim though, has no meat.

Your avatar is epic! I love cats. Sorry for being off topic.

 

[variant]

Oh you mean the air...yeah Dave did get me right good on that one.

No, I am saying that using God as an explanation is one of the principles of theism. Your video was defending this notion.

Along with, as Dave Ellis said, jumping around incoherently trying to disprove evolution, science and atheism all at once and attacking particle physics for something it doesn’t even come close to claiming.