Atheism (2)

[Dave Ellis]

Apologies I meant no hostility.

No problems, I didn't view your actions as hostile Apologies accepted.

I simply think the point is easily missed (if implied) in your analysis.

The main point of faith is believeing without evidence, and the main problem with the lack of evidence is that it proves every viewpoint the viewer wants.

I completely agree faith is believing something without evidence.

I dispute your second point though.... a lack of evidence doesn't prove any viewpoint. That's why the logically valid position is to withhold belief until that evidence becomes available.

Basically, if we don't know what the answer is due to lack of evidence, the only honest position is to say we don't know.

Religions love the idea of faith when it comes to their own religion and hate it when it comes to every other religion. It's a double standard that I wished to point out.

I completely agree with you here.

Looking at it from a non-believers perspective (where all faith is equal) this is a key point to why a lot atheists don't have or want any.

I once again fully agree.

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

GOD told me to tell the atheist's on here. "Unless it's your time to go,you don't have to worry about "seeing" my face tomorrow".

 

[Dave Ellis]

GOD told me to tell the atheist's on here. "Unless it's your time to go,you don't have to worry about "seeing" my face tomorrow".

God actually told you that? really?

That's awesome, when did you see him? Did he pop by for dinner or something?

 

[variant]

I dispute your second point though.... a lack of evidence doesn't prove any viewpoint. That's why the logically valid position is to withhold belief until that evidence becomes available.

I mean that the state of belief without evidence can get you to just about any positive position you like.

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

God actually told you that? really?

That's awesome, when did you see him? Did he pop by for dinner or something?

Yeah...GOD does have a sense of humor. You didn't know that? No i haven't "seen" HIM like that yet. But i have seen a taste of HIS glory in my dreams several times.
1Ti 6:16 who only hath immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power eternal. Amen.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Yeah...GOD does have a sense of humor. You didn't know that? No i haven't "seen" HIM like that yet. But i have seen a taste of HIS glory in my dreams several times.
1Ti 6:16 who only hath immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power eternal. Amen.

So you have a brain fart and then blame the aroma on God.

 

[createdtoworship]

Who says it needs to be written down? Do try and have a little imagination here, not everyone does things in exactly the same way as Christians.

Thats an ad hominem, not according to topic.
not talking about the moral codes in all of our little imaginations, try looking a little harder for the written code, that is for ALL ATHIESTS not each and every code for himself.

 

[createdtoworship]

Who says it needs to be written down? Do try and have a little imagination here, not everyone does things in exactly the same way as Christians.

so if athiests don't have any moral laws in written form, does that make them lawless? I guess it does.

 

[createdtoworship]

There doesn't need to be any literature. And yet we still have moral codes.

if you can't even write them down it means they are not solid rules, just suggestions.

 

[Dave Ellis]

I mean that the state of belief without evidence can get you to just about any positive position you like.

Ah, OK, gotcha.

In that case, I withdraw my dispute! I agree with you there too.

 

[createdtoworship]

Obedience is not morality.

stop right there,

thats a keeper



reminds me of a guy in the evolution forums that said this:

"The common ancestor of cats and dogs actually looked more like a weasel"

I hope that was a mistake and you didn't really mean to say it.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Yeah...GOD does have a sense of humor. You didn't know that? No i haven't "seen" HIM like that yet. But i have seen a taste of HIS glory in my dreams several times.
1Ti 6:16 who only hath immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power eternal. Amen.

Well, if you didn't see him, then you must have talked to him over the phone or something, right?

After all, you're saying God told you this stuff.... what does his voice sound like?

 

[Dave Ellis]

so if athiests don't have any moral laws in written form, does that make them lawless? I guess it does.

We have moral principles, those principles are the basis of our legal system.

So yes, we do have laws... they're determined by the people through the government and enforced by the judicial system

 

[Dave Ellis]

stop right there,

thats a keeper



reminds me of a guy in the evolution forums that said this:

"The common ancestor of cats and dogs actually looked more like a weasel"

I hope that was a mistake and you didn't really mean to say it.

How exactly is that a keeper? If your whole basis for morality is "God says so", then you do not understand why things are moral.

If God came out tomorrow and announced that all black people must be burned at the stake, would you consider that a moral command, just because God said it?

Obedience is not morality, obedience is mindless slavery. Truly moral people are moral for the sake of being good. They don't need to be coerced by some magical slave-driver to act morally.

 

[Gadarene]

Thats an ad hominem, not according to topic.

Couldn't really care given that you insist on smearing atheists as having no morals.

not talking about the moral codes in all of our little imaginations, try looking a little harder for the written code, that is for ALL ATHIESTS not each and every code for himself.

Oh boy, and yet another point missed.

A moral code does not have to be written down. You are assuming (incorrectly) the only valid moral codes are ones in that form.

 

[Gadarene]

so if athiests don't have any moral laws in written form, does that make them lawless? I guess it does.

No, it doesn't.

More anti-atheist nonsense from you.

Even apologists aren't inept enough to define moral laws as required to be written down.

 

[Eudaimonist]

so if athiests don't have any moral laws in written form, does that make them lawless? I guess it does.

That's a silly position to take, but as it turns out I have read quite a bit of ethical philosophy, and the sort of virtues I strive to uphold have written descriptions.

not talking about the moral codes in all of our little imaginations, try looking a little harder for the written code, that is for ALL ATHIESTS not each and every code for himself.

Tell that to theists. They are split up into dozens of religions each with their own moral code. Why don't all religions share one precise moral code in all details?

(Hint: atheism is not in any way flawed because atheists don't share the same morality.)


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[quatona]

GOD told me to tell the atheist's on here. "Unless it's your time to go,you don't have to worry about "seeing" my face tomorrow".

When you hear god talking you can never be sure it isn´t satan in disguise.

 

[Dave Ellis]

When you hear god talking you can never be sure it isn´t satan in disguise.

Or the Martians using a mind control device.

 

[createdtoworship]

That's a silly position to take, but as it turns out I have read quite a bit of ethical philosophy, and the sort of virtues I strive to uphold have written descriptions.



Tell that to theists. They are split up into dozens of religions each with their own moral code. Why don't all religions share one precise moral code in all details?

(Hint: atheism is not in any way flawed because atheists don't share the same morality.)


eudaimonia,

Mark

theists have the same law as everyone else. the law is perfect converting the soul the Bible says. You suggest an imperfect law. So where is the athiest universal law, not talking about a philosophy class in college. but the real deal?