So apparently nobody actually believes in creationism.

[Catherineanne]

I know what I believe, and if I can't explain it to your satisfaction, that's too bad.

It is not about satisfying me. It is about explaining why you believe something about the KJV which is not scripturally attested.

If the KJV is so wonderful, why go beyond what it says and into make believe? Why not stick to the heavenly words? What is that all about?

But for the record, I believe Adam wrote Genesis 1-3 in English, and if that isn't good enough, then praise God for the first 10 amendments to our Constitution -- they just might come in handy one of these days in protecting us from people who think like you do.

People who think like I do? Do you mean when I say that anything not in the Bible is not essential to our faith? Or when I say that the Nicene Creed is to be respected?

Why do you need protecting from either of these, would you say?

 

[AV1611VET]

So just to be clear - not only was English used and then forgotten.

-- Forgotten?

Do you remember what I said happened to the English language in Genesis 11?

 

[EddyMabo]

-- Forgotten?

Do you remember what I said happened to the English language in Genesis 11?

Please, do tell.

 

[AV1611VET]

Or when I say that the Nicene Creed is to be respected?

I don't remember you saying the Nicene Creed is to be respected ... you may have ... but I remember you using the Nicene Creed in a post with evolution and some anti-creation rhetoric.

Then, when I asked you which Nicene Creed (since there are five of them), you [must have] smelled a rat and [wisely] recused yourself from the conversation.

 

[AV1611VET]

Please, do tell.

That's what I thought.

I'll take your post with a grain of salt.

 

[Catherineanne]

-- Forgotten?

Do you remember what I said happened to the English language in Genesis 11?

Never mind that. What does the Bible say happened? Any version you like; where does the Bible say it was written originally in English?

 

[Catherineanne]

I don't remember you saying the Nicene Creed is to be respected ... you may have ... but I remember you using the Nicene Creed in a post with evolution and some anti-creation rhetoric.

Then, when I asked you which Nicene Creed (since there are five of them), you [must have] smelled a rat and [wisely] recused yourself from the conversation.

Any version; I will let you choose. They all say that Christ was in the beginning with God. None of them say the KJV was.

QED.

 

[madaz]

That's what I thought.

I'll take your post with a grain of salt.

That's the problem with you, if you listened you might learn something. Forget about believing and start knowing.

Then you can truly make informed comments instead of making bizarre statements without reason.

Some facts for you to contemplate...

1. The bible was written by 40 primitive men almost 2000 years ago.
2. English did not exist at that time.
3. The bible has been translated through many languages before men "polished" it up with the kjv.
4. Virtually all of the elements of Orthodox Christian rituals have been adopted from ancient pagan religions. eg religion of Mithra.

If you knew these basic facts you wouldn't believe those absurdities.

 

[AV1611VET]

Any version; I will let you choose. They all say that Christ was in the beginning with God. None of them say the KJV was.

QED.

Once again, Catherine, I was not the one who quoted John 1:1 -- someone else did.

 

[Catherineanne]

Once again, Catherine, I was not the one who quoted John 1:1 -- someone else did.

You are the one who said the KJV existed from all eternity, before the creation of the world;

The KJV existed in Heaven before the foundation of the earth.

If you want to withdraw that statement, then feel free; it would probably be most sensible.

 

[Catherineanne]

Something that is spiritually discerned is something that can only be understood in its fullest by the aid of the Holy Spirit.

From a natural standpoint, it doesn't make sense; but by applying spiritual principles to the equation, it becomes clearer.

Creatio ex nihilo is a good example of spiritually understanding something.

Looking at it naturally doesn't make sense, but when you apply God's omnipotence to the equation, then even a child can understand it.

I disagree. God is not the author of confusion. If someone comes along with a doctrine which flatly contradicts the Nicene Creed, which is nowhere attested in Scripture, and which is basically one confusing mess from start to finish, that is NOT evidence of the Holy Spirit. If anything, it is evidence of lack of intellectual rigour. Whether this lack of intellectual rigour is willful or just plain lacking in common sense is beyond me to say.

Either way it is not a pretty sight.

 

[Canonade]

AV1611VET you are becoming a figment of your own imagination.

 

[EddyMabo]

That's what I thought.

I'll take your post with a grain of salt.

You've incorrectly applied that turn of phrase.

 

[mkatzwork]

So up until 1604 you think God was running things such that the Anglo-Saxon population of England gradually started deriving, etymologically speaking, words in such and such a way as to - through a process we might call "evolution"! - speak the same language as had been spoken prior to the Tower of Babel?

If you think this, you are then implying that God has some (or complete) influence over the very things we say and think, which further requires a suspension of free will (since we were linguistically evolving back to something that had already existed, so any veering of course would have to been corrected actively). His ultimate goal of course was then to arrive at Early Modern English, which is far from the English we speak today (so I guess he let things alone after that).

But much of English derives directly from the results of various wars that have been fought over the years, since the victors were still around and could (and did) impose their customs - so did God start the Norman Conquest? Did he favor a particular dialect of Middle English such that it prevailed over the others? Did he favor arabic numerals or roman, and if arabic, did he mind about their Chinese origins?

Incidentally, if you believe in a God that can and has suspended free will, your belief system requires that you cannot hold a person accountable for their actions, since you cannot know if God was involved or not.

Then let's skip the semantics and go to theologics, shall we?

God took away English at the Tower of Babel, and replaced it with n-different languages.

Does it make sense now?

 

[SkyWriting]

Incidentally, if you believe in a God that can and has suspended free will, your belief system requires that you cannot hold a person accountable for their actions, since you cannot know if God was involved or not.

We cannot hold people accountable to the extent that God does.
But we can work with what we do think that we know.

 

[someguy14]

Scientists do seek truth. Just don't be so sad when they find something that may conflict with your firmly held beliefs

All truth is good friend.

 

[someguy14]

You've incorrectly applied that turn of phrase.

God loves all of us friend.
Truth is good. We can all agree with that.
I have obstacles as do each of you. Truth prevails and sets each of us free. Some are strong in one area, some are strong in another, together we conquer every obstacle friend. We are stronger together friend.

 

[someguy14]

Nirvana - Come As You Are - YouTube

Jesus loves you.