Physics and the Immortality of the Soul

[AV1611VET]

The brain houses the mind, the will, and the emotions.

In tripartite theology, the heart houses them.

The brain is part of the body.

Here is the 411 on the tripartite nature of man:

1. body = soma = gives us world-consciousness via the empirical senses
2. soul = psyche = gives us self-consciousness via the mind, the will, and the emotions
3. spirit = pneuma = gives us God-consciousness via the Scriptures

 

[mzungu]

In tripartite theology, the soul is the part of man's cosmology that houses the mind, the will, and the emotions.

Yes but this is not a definition of what the soul is. Can you actually define what it is.
The reason I ask is that once science is used to justify and or explain something that belongs in the realm of spiritual faith [Religion] then suffice it to say that scientific methodology should apply. Now I need a scientific definition of "SOUL" so that I know what we are talking about.

If on the other hand religion is kept away from science and vice versa then no conflict arises and each to his own!

Could someone actually give a scientific definition of "SOUL" Anyone

 

[AV1611VET]

Could someone actually give a scientific definition of "SOUL" Anyone

I doubt it.

Can you give me a Biblical definition of quantum mechanics?

 

[mzungu]

I doubt it.

Can you give me a Biblical definition of quantum mechanics?

That is exactly my point and I agree with you. Science is science and religion is religion. Of course we have ill doings on both camps and that boils down to human weaknesses such as ill intents, greed, power, etc.

 

[Jro]

I wish the soul was immortal. Sounds like a good arrangement to me. People I don't approve of get terrorized, people I like hang out with me forever. Kind of like a never ending frat party. KEGGERS!

 

[Norman321]

Could someone actually give a scientific definition of "SOUL" Anyone

R U sure you want to go there? Because science is usually going to assign this to Psychology. These are the people that give us Evolutionary Psychology. They tell us that: "The brain is only the organ with which we think we think. Our judgments and choices are mostly shaped by deeper subconscious instinctive and emotional imperatives". Psychology Today: Health, Help, Happiness + Find a Therapist

Does The Soul Exist? Evidence Says ‘Yes’ | Psychology Today

 

[mzungu]

R U sure you want to go there? Because science is usually going to assign this to Psychology. These are the people that give us Evolutionary Psychology. They tell us that: "The brain is only the organ with which we think we think. Our judgments and choices are mostly shaped by deeper subconscious instinctive and emotional imperatives". Psychology Today: Health, Help, Happiness + Find a Therapist

Does The Soul Exist? Evidence Says ‘Yes’ | Psychology Today

Er! Hm! "Biocentrism? You may as well have cited a crystal healing website!

Only the brain thinks and is self aware. I want a scientific definition that is empirical. And yes I do want to go there! After all debates without challenging questions would be very boring to say the least.

 

[Norman321]

So the question would, kind of, be:
Why do you limit god by saying(writing) that he needs the memory stored somehow?

This post is about physics and the immortality of the soul. Is that not what immortality is: Memory? Perhaps this is more Buddist, but life is made up of our experience and what we have learned.

You do raise a interesting question because at the Judgement there seems to be more said about the Books that will be opened. So memory may not be a part of the resurrection of those who are thrown into the Lake of Fire.

But for the Bride of Christ. R U suggesting that she is going to show up on her wedding day with no memory? That does not sound like a wedding. That sounds more like a birth. People usually are born without any memory (that we know of).

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Norman321]

Er! Hm! "Biocentrism? You may as well have cited a crystal healing website!

The reason I used this was because
Robert Lanza, M.D., is Chief Scientific Officer of Advanced Cell Technology and an Adjunct Professor at Wake Forest University School of Medicine. He is very well published and very well peer reviewed.

I sent a email to my brother to see if he can help me with a definition sense he is a lot more qualified then I am. Because science does not seem to be doing very good in this regard. It is no wonder that others pick up the ball and run with it. Because science has clearly fumbed the ball.

 

[Illuminaughty]

Currently science has not come across a process that would explain the personal continuation of conscious after death if survival of that sort actually does take place. I've heard a few theories in that direction but they are far from proven and any sort of verification seems far off.

I was watching a good program on the Science channel on this subject a few weeks back. Really fascinating. I've always found NDEs to be a really interesting topic too. The first time I ate magic mushrooms I had an experience very similar to many of the NDEs I've heard about.

 

[mzungu]

The reason I used this was because
Robert Lanza, M.D., is Chief Scientific Officer of Advanced Cell Technology and an Adjunct Professor at Wake Forest University School of Medicine. He is very well published and very well peer reviewed.

I sent a email to my brother to see if he can help me with a definition sense he is a lot more qualified then I am. Because science does not seem to be doing very good in this regard. It is no wonder that others pick up the ball and run with it. Because science has clearly fumbed the ball.

unless the "SOUL" can be defined empirically or proven mathematically or defined in any scientific way then suffice it say that it is an unfalsifiable concept and thus not in the realm of scientific endeavour.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

The reason I used this was because
Robert Lanza, M.D., is Chief Scientific Officer of Advanced Cell Technology and an Adjunct Professor at Wake Forest University School of Medicine. He is very well published and very well peer reviewed.

I sent a email to my brother to see if he can help me with a definition sense he is a lot more qualified then I am. Because science does not seem to be doing very good in this regard. It is no wonder that others pick up the ball and run with it. Because science has clearly fumbed the ball.

Yeah, science is funny like that, always having a tough time demonstrating things that don't exist.

Speaking of fumbling, let's take a look at the numbers:

Religion: 6,0000 years - no definition of soul
Science: 400 years - no evidence for a soul

Conclusion: Until such time as evidence suggests the existence of a soul, there is no reason to assume one exists.

 

[Ronald]

unless the "SOUL" can be defined empirically or proven mathematically or defined in any scientific way then suffice it say that it is an unfalsifiable concept and thus not in the realm of scientific endeavour.

So, unless science or mathematics can define love, joy, hope, courage, fear, hate, anger, creative talents, etc. which are things that aren't physically generated, then suffice it to say that they are unfalsifiable concepts and thus not in the realm of scientific endeavour? Does that mean that they do not exist?

 

[CaliforniaSun]

So, unless science or mathematics can define love, joy, hope, courage, fear, hate, anger, creative talents, etc. which are things that aren't physically generated, then suffice it to say that they are unfalsifiable concepts and thus not in the realm of scientific endeavour? Does that mean that they do not exist?

Those things are generally defined, and are observable behaviors based on emotions. Cogneuros have documented exactly where these emotions originate in the brain.

Soul, as hyperbole is fine and dandy when describing one's personality, essence, desires, hopes, dreams, etc., but to suggest it is something that actually survives death is an unsupportable assertion.

 

[mzungu]

So, unless science or mathematics can define love, joy, hope, courage, fear, hate, anger, creative talents, etc. which are things that aren't physically generated, then suffice it to say that they are unfalsifiable concepts and thus not in the realm of scientific endeavour? Does that mean that they do not exist?

Actually the feeling of love is the result of hormonal effect and it is a feeling that is created in the brain. It is not an entity but a FEELING just like sorrow, depression, joy etc. Many drugs cause us to feel joy, sad, and many other types of feelings.

Now enough with semantics; Do you have any scientific definition of a soul or not?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you have any scientific definition of a soul or not?

Do you have a Biblical definition of quantum electrodynamics?

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

In tripartite theology, the heart houses them.

The brain is part of the body.

Emotions are housed in the limbic system.

"Will" and "mind" require more stringent definitions, but are generally global processes.

Did you want to talk about neurology or do you want to trump it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Did you want to talk about neurology or do you want to trump it?

I was just trying to help mzungu out here: 98

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

I was just trying to help mzungu out here: 98

That link isn't working for me for some reason, but I'm assuming you're trying to define the "soul". But the definition you gave is actually accounted for in the body (the physical brain). There are no traits of a human being's mind that cannot be traced to a part of the physical brain.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

"Mind" is a fuzzy word to describe what the brain does. No brain - no mind.