Why no mention of "gehenna" in Paul's Epistles?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Only John mentions Jesus as the preincarnate Word, no one else in the NT.

Discuss among yourselves...

Interesting.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Genesis 1:1 (YLT)
Strong's Number G1067 matches the Greek γέεννα (geenna),
which occurs 12 times in 12 verses in the Greek concordance

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Rick Otto I envy all you whose moms who were never scary.

Why? Are you a scary mom?

LOL.......
Reminds me of this hilarious movie

 

[brinny]

Reminds me of this hilarious movie

YouTube - ‪Anne Ramsey in Throw Momma From The Train‬‏

LOL! I love that actress

Ever see her in "The Goonies"?

YouTube - ‪The Goonies - Chunk confesses to the Fratellis.‬‏

 

[SummaScriptura]

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[itisdeliciouscake]

I would imagine it having to do with most of the people Paul wrote to having no idea what the Valley of Hinnom was?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Ever considered a match? Yeah I know that is the temporal. But we are talking fire and you mentioned damage.

bugkiller

Fire can cause a lot of damage

Revelation 18:8
"Therefore her plagues will come in one day -- death and mourning and famine.
And She will be utterly burned with fire,...............

 

[martymonster]

Hey LLOJ, He does mention it just not by that particular name.


1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Co 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.




Now compare that with.



Mat 10:28 "And do not fear those who kill the body, but cannot kill the soul; but rather fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.


Can you see a bit of a pattern?

 

[SummaScriptura]

Why no mention of "the Son of Man" in Paul's Epistles?

 

[martymonster]

Why no mention of "the Son of Man" in Paul's Epistles?

What's your point?

 

[SummaScriptura]

What's your point?

My point is the question in the OP is pointless. There's lots of words used in one part of the Bible or one section or one genre which are not found in other books, sections or genres. To try to make a point out of the lack of the Greek word Gehenna in Paul is to unduly isolate such a distinction, one that I think may betray an agenda.

 

[Radagast]

My point is the question in the OP is pointless. There's lots of words used in one part of the Bible or one section or one genre which are not found in other books, sections or genres. To try to make a point out of the lack of the Greek word Gehenna in Paul is to unduly isolate such a distinction, one that I think may betray an agenda.

I agree.

 

[martymonster]

My point is the question in the OP is pointless. There's lots of words used in one part of the Bible or one section or one genre which are not found in other books, sections or genres. To try to make a point out of the lack of the Greek word Gehenna in Paul is to unduly isolate such a distinction, one that I think may betray an agenda.

On the contrary, i think that it has a very good point which is to point out the fact that Paul never taught about the churche's precious hell fire doctrine which Christ supposedly taught.

If Jesus had taught such a thing then it should at least have made it's way into Paul's teaching, which it didn't.

 

[Radagast]

On the contrary, i think that it has a very good point which is to point out the fact that Paul never taught about the churche's precious hell fire doctrine which Christ supposedly taught.

If Jesus had taught such a thing then it should at least have made it's way into Paul's teaching, which it didn't.

Well, Christ certainly taught it, because it's right through the gospels (e.g. Mark 9:47b-48: "It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where 'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.'"

Paul, on the other hand, is writing to people who have already been converted to Christianity.

 

[martymonster]

Well, Christ certainly taught it, because it's right through the gospels (e.g. Mark 9:47b-48: "It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where 'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.'"

Paul, on the other hand, is writing to people who have already been converted to Christianity.

Lets have a look at that verse in a different translation shall We?


Mar 9:47 And if thine eye may cause thee to stumble, cast it out; it is better for thee one-eyed to enter into the reign of God, than having two eyes, to be cast to the gehenna of the fire--
Mar 9:48 where their worm is not dying, and the fire is not being quenched;
Mar 9:49 for every one with fire shall be salted, and every sacrifice with salt shall be salted.
Mar 9:50 The salt is good, but if the salt may become saltless, in what will ye season it ? Have in yourselves salt, and have peace in one another.'


Well what's the rest of the verse saying about being salted with fire?
Because it mentions fire then does that mean that everyone is going to some fabled Hell then?
Notice that the verse actually renders the Hell as gehenna instead, why is that?
Is it because the word is actually gehenna and not Hell?
What is gehenna anyway?
It's a valley where the Israelites sacrificed their children to Molech.
Why then would it have anything to do with Hell?
I'll tell you why.
It doesn't have anything to do with it.
Why Christ is teaching is actually a parable, how do I know?


Mar 4:33 And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it.
Mar 4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.


But without a parable spake he not unto them!

Here's a good question.

If what Christ taught could easily be understood and His Jewish listeners knew that gehenna actually ment "Hell" then why did He have to expain to His disciples what He was actually talking about?

 

[martymonster]

Well, Christ certainly taught it, because it's right through the gospels (e.g. Mark 9:47b-48: "It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where 'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.'"

Paul, on the other hand, is writing to people who have already been converted to Christianity.

BTW, what has the fact that the people listening to Paul's teaching were already converted to christianity have to do with anything?

Are you trying to infer that Christ was trying to terrify people into becoming His followers?

Lets have a look if He says anything regarding this idea?



Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


Gee that's pretty funny way of some to act who so desperately want's people to be save from Hell that He has resorted to terrifying people into the kingdom of Heaven!

Shouldn't He just have tried to warn them in the most plain terms possible?

 

[Radagast]

What is gehenna anyway?It's a valley where the Israelites sacrificed their children to Molech.

Well, there were no sacrifices to Molech in Jesus' time, nor does "thrown into Gehenna" make sense in that context. In fact, Jewish literature used Gehenna as a metaphor for Hell. The Greek name Hades is used in the gospels for the same concept, e.g. in Luke 16:19-31.

 

[Timothew]

Fire can cause a lot of damage

NKJV) Revelation 18:8 "Therefore her plagues will come in one day -- death and mourning and famine.
And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong [is] the Lord God who judges her.


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I agree. Being utterly burned with fire can cause death.

I guess this is just a fire-safety moment from the Book of Revelation.

 

[seekertruth72]

Only John mentions Jesus as the preincarnate Word, no one else in the NT.

Discuss among yourselves...

 

[seekertruth72]

Hey LLOJ, He does mention it just not by that particular name.


1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Co 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.




Now compare that with.



Mat 10:28 "And do not fear those who kill the body, but cannot kill the soul; but rather fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.


Can you see a bit of a pattern?

But it doesn't say gehenna though.

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
2Th 1:12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.




1Co_6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.