Your church and your views on evolution

[Elendur]

That is your constitutional right and no one can deny you that right. However; TOE is a scientific theory and if you can show me where it states in that theory that it is "Anti God" then I shall agree with you.

For your information: TOE has nothing to do with how life came to be and neither does it have anything to do with religion. It is simply a process that explains how life changes in order to adapt to its environment. A process is just a process and not a dogma religious or otherwise.

 

[mzungu]

 

[razeontherock]

a wikipedia entry and a wookipedi entry.

Wooki-pedia? Is that hosted by Chewbacca?

 

[TerraIncognita]

What about a Pastor that says I am to busy preaching and teaching the word of God and I do not have time to study science?

You shouldn't go there, either.

 

[razeontherock]

You shouldn't go there, either.

That's just silly. Do you go to a Dr to fix your car? No, you go to a mechanic. A Pastor is not a scientist. In fact, Christians might do well to be skeptical of any religious figure claiming to know too much about science, esp if their major field of study is something else. (Which it almost always is)

 

[mkatzwork]

Yeah, but if you went to a doctor or surgeon and they said "I only studied this one bit of medicine, that a growing number of people over the last 100 years have decided is entirely wrong" you might at least get a second opinion.

Everybody should be a scientist, and in fact uses the very methods science uses in the vast majority of their daily life, so I would posit that at least partially, everybody kind of "is".

If you are walking and see a car coming your direction at high speed, and you are deciding whether to jump out the way, you're observing it and drawing conclusions about its trajectory, whether you know it or not - just like you catch a ball with a series of very complex observations and conclusions that happen instantly without you even consciously noticing sometimes.

With the car heading your way, you wouldn't shut your eyes immediately and think "I have faith that it will hit somewhere else". You might get lucky if you do, you might not, but there's one way to guarantee you the best chance of survival, and that's to open your eyes and look.

Which is what any rational-minded person does...

That's just silly. Do you go to a Dr to fix your car? No, you go to a mechanic. A Pastor is not a scientist. In fact, Christians might do well to be skeptical of any religious figure claiming to know too much about science, esp if their major field of study is something else. (Which it almost always is)

 

[razeontherock]

Yeah, but if you went to a doctor or surgeon and they said "I only studied this one bit of medicine, that a growing number of people over the last 100 years have decided is entirely wrong" you might at least get a second opinion.

Everybody should be a scientist, and in fact uses the very methods science uses in the vast majority of their daily life, so I would posit that at least partially, everybody kind of "is".

If you are walking and see a car coming your direction at high speed, and you are deciding whether to jump out the way, you're observing it and drawing conclusions about its trajectory, whether you know it or not - just like you catch a ball with a series of very complex observations and conclusions that happen instantly without you even consciously noticing sometimes.

With the car heading your way, you wouldn't shut your eyes immediately and think "I have faith that it will hit somewhere else". You might get lucky if you do, you might not, but there's one way to guarantee you the best chance of survival, and that's to open your eyes and look.

Which is what any rational-minded person does...

None of this has anything to do with ... anything else said in this thread

 

[jpcedotal]

That is your constitutional right and no one can deny you that right. However; TOE is a scientific theory and if you can show me where it states in that theory that it is "Anti God" then I shall agree with you.

For your information: TOE has nothing to do with how life came to be and neither does it have anything to do with religion. It is simply a process that explains how life changes in order to adapt to its environment. A process is just a process and not a dogma religious or otherwise.

evolution is a religion and should be taught in a church-like setting and only to those who want to hear it...not is public schools where it is force fed to children.

btw, I do not want Creationism taught in public schools either.

 

[Smidlee]

None of this has anything to do with ... anything else said in this thread

LOL. I'm having trouble figuring out his point.

 

[Elendur]

evolution is a religion and should be taught in a church-like setting and only to those who want to hear it...not is public schools where it is force fed to children.

btw, I do not want Creationism taught in public schools either.

Could you tell us why evolution is a religion?

 

[Davian]

evolution is a religion and should be taught in a church-like setting and only to those who want to hear it...not is public schools where it is force fed to children.

btw, I do not want Creationism taught in public schools either.

Should science be taught in public school? What would you have them teach?

 

[Belk]

evolution is a religion and should be taught in a church-like setting and only to those who want to hear it...not is public schools where it is force fed to children.

btw, I do not want Creationism taught in public schools either.

The vast majority of scientists disagree with you. I'm thinking they are likely better informed on the subject then you.

 

[mzungu]

evolution is a religion and should be taught in a church-like setting and only to those who want to hear it...not is public schools where it is force fed to children.

btw, I do not want Creationism taught in public schools either.

Yeah; Let's get rid of schools altogether. Oh and while we are at it would you be interested in buying a cave I own?

 

[jpcedotal]

Could you tell us why evolution is a religion?

It takes more faith to believe in evolution than it does in God.

Matthew 17:20 So Jesus said to them, "Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you.

Luke 17:6 So the Lord said, "If you have faith as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, 'Be pulled up by the roots and be planted in the sea,' and it would obey you.

 

[jpcedotal]

Should science be taught in public school? What would you have them teach?

Real observable science yes. We are talking about children and teens. What we need to instill in these kids science-wise is theories they can observe easily, science that the results are clear.

Save evolution for an elective in college, like art appreciation or dance.

 

[jpcedotal]

The vast majority of scientists disagree with you. I'm thinking they are likely better informed on the subject then you.

Find me an unbiased poll stating that fact and we can discuss this further. I think it is a lot closer to 50-50 than u think.

 

[jpcedotal]

Yeah; Let's get rid of schools altogether. Oh and while we are at it would you be interested in buying a cave I own?

Again, teaching a world view as a science, pushing an opinion - even an educated one - as fact is deceitful.

And when it is shown to be false, ya'll will have no remorse over the several generations force feed this refuse...it will just be "oh well, guess we will have to say aliens did it...now where are all those spaceships the government is hiding?"

It is that same mentality that brought us evolution...trying to prove a Godless Creation...

 

[BobRyan]

I am currently attending a Church of Christ with my wife and this church is heavily anti-evolution. We have actually watched the Expelled movie which in my opinion was poorly put together and appealed strongly to the emotions. The fact that evolution has spurred many evil activities makes it no less true than Christianity

Exodus 20:8-11 is "legal code" not poetry. It is the 4th commandment. It summarizes the Genesis 1:2-2:3 account. "SIX days you shall labor... for in SIX DAYS the Lord Made the heavens and the earth the seas and aLL that is IN them".

Speaking of our earth, our sky, our solar system.

So for those not paying attention in the Expelled movie - Dawkins, Provine and P.Z Meyers were right when they said that blind-faith belief in evolutionism is not compatible with the Bible.

Darwin was right when HE said that evolutionism is not compatible with the Bible.

And as it turns out - horses do NOT come from single celled animal life forms like amoebas no matter who badly the evolutionist alchemist of today wants to tell you that they do.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[mzungu]

Again, teaching a world view as a science, pushing an opinion - even an educated one - as fact is deceitful.

And when it is shown to be false, ya'll will have no remorse over the several generations force feed this refuse...it will just be "oh well, guess we will have to say aliens did it...now where are all those spaceships the government is hiding?"

It is that same mentality that brought us evolution...trying to prove a Godless Creation...

Science is not faith based. You are totally misinformed and perhaps you should ask before you judge. Also TOE is not a world view it is a scientific theory that has made predictions and has explained how life evolves. If you are truly looking for truth then may I suggest you start by not spreading lies.

Also you really should rethink your "bogey man" tactics as we are all adults and do not need to be scared into adopting your personal beliefs.

"Judge not lest you be judged in return"

 

[mzungu]

And as it turns out - horses do NOT come from single celled animal life forms like amoebas no matter who badly the evolutionist alchemist of today wants to tell you that they do.

in Christ,

Bob

Oh really? Then what do you think a SPERM is if not a single celled life form??? Do you mean to say that Horses and all animals actually appear out of thin air