The Church of the Global Warming Fascists (AGW) revising their theology, another fall

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http://www.climatedepot.com/a/15621/Alert-Gaia-scientist-James-Lovelock-reverses-himself-I-was-alarmist-about-climate-change--so-was-Gore-The-problem-is-we-dont-know-what-the-climate-is-doing-We-thought-we-knew-20-years-ago

Alert: 'Gaia' scientist James Lovelock reverses himself: I was 'alarmist' about climate change & so was Gore! 'The problem is we don't know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago'
 
Lovelock pointed to Gore's “An Inconvenient Truth” and Tim Flannery's “The Weather Makers” as other examples of “alarmist” forecasts of the future...”The problem is we don't know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books – mine included – because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn't happened,” Lovelock said. “The climate is doing its usual tricks. There's nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now,” he said. “The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time... it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising -- carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that,” he added...Asked if he was now a climate skeptic, Lovelock told msnbc.com: “It depends what you mean by a skeptic. I'm not a denier.” He said human-caused carbon dioxide emissions were driving an increase in the global temperature, but added that the effect of the oceans was not well enough understood and could have a key role. “It (the sea) could make all the difference between a hot age and an ice age,” he said. 'I made a mistake' As “an independent and a loner,” he said he did not mind saying “All right, I made a mistake.” He claimed a university or government scientist might fear an admission of a mistake would lead to the loss of funding.”
 
 
The Global Warming myth is less about science than about a confluence of political agendas masquerading as science.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/THEAMAZINGSTORYBEHINDTHEGLOBALWARMING.pdf

Co2 'is' a tiny fraction of the atmosphere, without which earth would be a giant frozen ball in space supporting no life at all.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming--Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html
 
 
No joke, the GREEN police are for real!

http://constitutionclub.org/2012/04/18/here-come-the-green-police-dhs-launches-environmental-justice-units/
Not a minute too soon, the Department of Homeland Security has announced that it is creating “environmental justice” units that will be empowered to oversee regulations in conjunction with local governments throughout the country. The framework for the Environmental Justice Working Group includes eleven federal government agencies, including the TSA, the Secret Service and FEMA.
 
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In an email to LiveScience, climate scientist Michael Mann of Pennsylvania State University, said Professor Lovelock's views were not in line with mainstream climate science to begin with. "Jim's views were at the alarmist end of the spectrum of scientific opinion, so frankly I see him largely as just coming back into the fold of mainstream thinking," Professor Mann wrote.

"That ... said, he has made some statements which appear to reflect a misunderstanding of what the science has to say."
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By the end of the century[20th century] climate change will reduce the human population to a few breeding pairs surviving near the Arctic."-Sir James Lovelock, The Revenge of Gaia: Earth's Climate Crisis and the Fate of Humanity, 2006.

So a book written in 2006 has made a prediction that by the end of the 20th Century the human population will be seriously reduced. Hmmmm, something tells me your quote mine has been copied wrong; unless he was predicting something to change in the past due to time travel.
 
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So a book written in 2006 has made a prediction that by the end of the 20th Century the human population will be seriously reduced. Hmmmm, something tells me your quote mine has been copied wrong; unless he was predicting something to change in the past due to time travel.
That doesn't mean he said that in 2006. He has been Chicken Littling for decades.
 
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The OP is such a mishmash dumping of denialism that it's hard to sort out as one point has nothing to do with another other than trashing climate science.
There is linked an article where one of the grandfathers of the global warming hysteria has backed off his claims and admitted he had overstated reality in his research and writings.

Then linked an article based on a short story of the history of how this scam evolved and how it was predicted and warned over 15 years ago how “we should be careful not to arouse too much alarm until the rate and amount of warming becomes clearer." As well as how what may have been noble research at one time became a political agenda.

There is linked an recent article claiming we may very well be heading back to the ice age.

Then there was linked an article describing how the 'hoax of climate hysteria' is actually dictating our public policy today in the here and now with the GREEN police.

Perhaps true the description of ‘mish-mashed’ OP, however each link made a point that did have something to do with another other than trashing AGW climate hoax science and you were mistaken.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/THEAMAZINGSTORYBEHINDTHEGLOBALWARMING.pdf

The man who had inspired Al Gore and given the UN the basic research it needed to launch its Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was having second thoughts. In 1988 he wrote two cautionary letters to members of Congress. He wrote, “My own personal belief is that we should wait another 10 or 20 years to really be convinced that the greenhouse effect is going to be important for human beings, in both positive and negative ways." He added, “…we should be careful not to arouse too much alarm until the rate and amount of warming becomes clearer."
 
 
 
Wash, rinse, repeat.

"Global Warming. It is the hoax. It is bad science. It is a high jacking of public policy. It is no joke. It is the greatest scam in history."
 
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In an email to LiveScience, climate scientist Michael Mann of Pennsylvania State University, said Professor Lovelock's views were not in line with mainstream climate science to begin with. "Jim's views were at the alarmist end of the spectrum of scientific opinion, so frankly I see him largely as just coming back into the fold of mainstream thinking," Professor Mann wrote.

"That ... said, he has made some statements which appear to reflect a misunderstanding of what the science has to say."
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Michael “Hide the Decline” Mann? Defender of the mythical ‘hockey stick graph’ hoax?

That Mann, said Professor Lovelock's views were not in line with mainstream climate science to begin with?

Meaning what?… that Lovelock seeing the writing on the wall, making the decison where he has decided he needs to revise his earlier crackpot theories to realign himself with the actual data?
That is 'not in line with mainstream climate science to begin with?'
Where Mann would rather ‘massage the evidence’ and ‘manipulate data’ for man-made climate change, and obscure the truth that AGW is a falsifiable theory that has been shown many times over and over in its failed predictive powers and rather than learn from the failures and listen to the data prefer to change the data to fit the theory.

Data for vital 'hockey stick graph' has gone missing
There has been no significant global warming since 1995
Warming periods have happened before - but NOT due to man-made changes

Professor Jones conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.

And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.

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The awakening that climate change is natural and is not controlled by man is continuing.

Climate alarmists have cherry picked time periods to support alarmism and profit.

Some people cannot connect the dots... even if you guide their hands but 'The Church of Global Warming Fascists' is hurting.
 
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More than 5,000 documents have been leaked online purporting to be the correspondence of climate scientists at the University of East Anglia who were previously accused of ‘massaging’ evidence of man-made climate change.

Following on from the original ‘climategate’ emails of 2009, the new package appears to show systematic suppression of evidence, and even publication of reports that scientists knew to to be based on flawed approaches.

And not only do the emails paint a picture of scientists manipulating data, government employees at the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) are also implicated.

One message appeared to show a member of Defra staff telling colleagues working on climate science to give the government a ‘strong message.’

The emails paint a clear picture of scientists selectively using data, and colluding with politicians to misuse scientific information.
http://www.globalclimatescam.com/2011/11/climategate-scientists-did-collude-with-government-officials-to-hide-research-that-didnt-fit-their-apocalyptic-global-warming/
 
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http://www.globalclimatescam.com/2012/04/astronauts-condemn-nasas-global-warming-endorsement/
By Paul Bedard

"In an unprecedented slap at NASA’s endorsement of global warming science, nearly 50 former astronauts and scientists–including the ex-boss of the Johnson Space Center–claim the agency is on the wrong side of science and must change course or ruin the reputation of the world’s top space agency.

Challenging statements from NASA that man is causing climate change, the former NASA executives demanded in a letter to Administrator Charles Bolden that he and the agency “refrain from including unproven remarks” supporting global warming in the media.

“We feel that NASA’s advocacy of an extreme position, prior to a thorough study of the possible overwhelming impact of natural climate drivers is inappropriate,” they wrote. “At risk is damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA’s current or former scientists and employees, and even the reputation of science itself.”"

Read the rest at the Washigton Examiner.

See the press release, full text of the letter and all signers at CFACT.
 
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Lovelock still thinks man made global warming is happening, but even he if he totally changed his mind I don't see why it would make any difference. Science isn't based on a one man's opinion. And I've heard of Monckton before and he doesn't know what he is talking about. Monckton is even a scientist.
 
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Lovelock still thinks man made global warming is happening, but even he if he totally changed his mind I don't see why it would make any difference. Science isn't based on a one man's opinion. And I've heard of Monckton before and he doesn't know what he is talking about. Monckton is even a scientist.

Yet, it shows that not ALL scientists agree now doesn't it? Or do we discount those scientists?
 
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So a book written in 2006 has made a prediction that by the end of the 20th Century the human population will be seriously reduced. Hmmmm, something tells me your quote mine has been copied wrong; unless he was predicting something to change in the past due to time travel.

Good catch Phileas. And I see like a typical denier, conamer doesn't even bother trying to correct himself.

That doesn't mean he said that in 2006. He has been Chicken Littling for decades.

Actually he did write that in 2006. The dummy you copy and pasted the quote mine from messed it up. Here's an associated opinion piece from the Independant.
James Lovelock: The Earth is about to catch a morbid fever that may last as long as 100,000 years - Commentators - Opinion - The Independent
"We are in a fool's climate, accidentally kept cool by smoke, and before this century - meaning the 21st - is over billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable."


There is linked an article where one of the grandfathers of the global warming {snip gish gallop}

He is? I've never heard of him before. What papers has he published on AGW?

This thread full of mish mash citations and gish galloping reads to me like a guy who has all sorts of crazy ideas like the Gaia hypothesis, and who made alarmist statements about AGW recently toned down his rhetoric. This was trumpeted in the denyosphere and you glommed on to the story somewhere.

Color me unimpressed.
 
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"In an unprecedented slap at NASA’s endorsement of global warming science, nearly 50 former astronauts and scientists...

None of whom are climate scientists, and really, fifty? Out of all the astronauts and scientists who worked at NASA over the years, fifty (well, actually only 47) was all that the deniers could cajole into signing on?
 
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Michael “Hide the Decline” Mann?...

^_^ Bwahahahahaha! "Herbie" is so busy trying to gish gallop his mish mash of talking points that he can't even be factual.

1. The "Hide the decline" phrase that has become a denier talking point and nearly everyone in the Web - including Herbie - probably has no idea to what it actually refers.
2. "Hide the decline" is not a phrase used by Mann. I wonder if Herbie knows the actual source and what actually came about because of it.
 
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Yet, it shows that not ALL scientists agree now doesn't it? Or do we discount those scientists?

Well I knew not ALL scientists agree. I don't base my opinion on a tiny minority though.
 
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