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the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ...

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I guess he is the only one here on CF that is not confused :doh: :p

hee hee Joyce Meyer stated that angels are not fat little babies...i gotta agree....fat little babies would not be taken too seriously as messengers...i mean seriously, who would fall back in awe or in fear, fall on their face before a fat little baby with wings?:D
 
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Must be an echo
The only ECHO is how shall ye believe, if I tell you heavenly things?

Jesus was going to be dead for 3 1/2 days in fact there is no punctuation at all in the early Manuscripts.

A person is not born into the Kingdom of God until after the resurrection even the thief was aware of that.


Luk 23:42 And he said: Jesus, remember me when thou comest in thy kingdom.

Mr 8:31 And he began to teach them, that many to suffer to see the Son of man, and to be disapproved of the High Priest and of the elders, and learned in the Mosaic law, and to be brutalized, and after three days to be resurrected.

Mr 9:9 They understood from the mountain, and he enjoined them that they should relate to no one what they saw, except when the Son of man should be resurrected out of the dead.

Joh 3:12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you heavenly things?

13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,eventhe Son of man which is in heaven.

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

ECHO: Jesus was going to be dead for 3 1/2 days in fact there is no punctuation at all in the early Manuscripts.

A person is not born into the Kingdom of God until after the resurrection even the thief was aware of that.

Luk 23:42 And he said: Jesus, remember me when thou comest in thy kingdom.

Mr 8:31 And he began to teach them, that many to suffer to see the Son of man, and to be disapproved of the High Priest and of the elders, and learned in the Mosaic law, and to be brutalized, and after three days to be resurrected.

Mr 9:9 They understood from the mountain, and he enjoined them that they should relate to no one what they saw, except when the Son of man should be resurrected out of the dead.

Joh 3:12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you heavenly things?

13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,eventhe Son of man which is in heaven.

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

ECHO: Jesus was going to be dead for 3 1/2 days in fact there is no punctuation at all in the early Manuscripts.

A person is not born into the Kingdom of God until after the resurrection even the thief was aware of that.

Luk 23:42 And he said: Jesus, remember me when thou comest in thy kingdom.

Mr 8:31 And he began to teach them, that many to suffer to see the Son of man, and to be disapproved of the High Priest and of the elders, and learned in the Mosaic law, and to be brutalized, and after three days to be resurrected.

Mr 9:9 They understood from the mountain, and he enjoined them that they should relate to no one what they saw, except when the Son of man should be resurrected out of the dead.

Joh 3:12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you heavenly things?

13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,eventhe Son of man which is in heaven.

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

 
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The only ECHO is how shall ye believe, if I tell you heavenly things?

Jesus was going to be dead for 3 1/2 days in fact there is no punctuation at all in the early Manuscripts.
What the heck does that have to do with His coming :confused:
Try explaining that to the unbelieving Jews and Muslims ;)
 
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What the heck does that have to do with His coming :confused:
Try explaining that to the unbelieving Jews and Muslims ;)
ECHO....The only ECHO is how shall ye believe, if I tell you heavenly things?

Jesus was going to be dead for 3 1/2 days in fact there is no punctuation at all in the early Manuscripts.

A person is not born into the Kingdom of God until after the resurrection even the thief was aware of that.


Luk 23:42 And he said: Jesus, remember me when thou comest in thy kingdom.

Mr 8:31 And he began to teach them, that many to suffer to see the Son of man, and to be disapproved of the High Priest and of the elders, and learned in the Mosaic law, and to be brutalized, and after three days to be resurrected.

Mr 9:9 They understood from the mountain, and he enjoined them that they should relate to no one what they saw, except when the Son of man should be resurrected out of the dead.

Joh 3:12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you heavenly things?

13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,eventhe Son of man which is in heaven.

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

ECHO: Jesus was going to be dead for 3 1/2 days in fact there is no punctuation at all in the early Manuscripts.

A person is not born into the Kingdom of God until after the resurrection even the thief was aware of that.

Luk 23:42 And he said: Jesus, remember me when thou comest in thy kingdom.

Mr 8:31 And he began to teach them, that many to suffer to see the Son of man, and to be disapproved of the High Priest and of the elders, and learned in the Mosaic law, and to be brutalized, and after three days to be resurrected.

Mr 9:9 They understood from the mountain, and he enjoined them that they should relate to no one what they saw, except when the Son of man should be resurrected out of the dead.

Joh 3:12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you heavenly things?

13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,eventhe Son of man which is in heaven.

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

ECHO: Jesus was going to be dead for 3 1/2 days in fact there is no punctuation at all in the early Manuscripts.

A person is not born into the Kingdom of God until after the resurrection even the thief was aware of that.

Luk 23:42 And he said: Jesus, remember me when thou comest in thy kingdom.

Mr 8:31 And he began to teach them, that many to suffer to see the Son of man, and to be disapproved of the High Priest and of the elders, and learned in the Mosaic law, and to be brutalized, and after three days to be resurrected.

Mr 9:9 They understood from the mountain, and he enjoined them that they should relate to no one what they saw, except when the Son of man should be resurrected out of the dead.

Joh 3:12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you heavenly things?

13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,eventhe Son of man which is in heaven.

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

 
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Always an interesting post from you Wheeler:thumbsup:

Cant add much to that bro, I'll be back here reading, probrobly not saying too much (because I'm as dry as a pile of bones here) ^_^

God bless you my brother, always a pleasure:groupray:
I argree :preach:
 
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Revelation 22:16 KJV
(16) I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the rootand the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

I thought Gabriel called Jesus the Son of God, now he is the offspring of Venus???? I thought the bright and morning star was Lucifer???
 
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Revelation 22:16 KJV
(16) I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the rootand the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

I thought Gabriel called Jesus the Son of God, now he is the offspring of Venus???? I thought the bright and morning star was Lucifer???
A bright Morning Star (called the Star in the East by Matthew) appeared over Bethlehem on the day Jesus was born (March 27th, 4BC),
 
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We all pass through eternity through reincarnation and we now have scientific proof of this. Reincarnation does NOT conflict with Christian beliefs, it explains them. The Christ returning and the "resurrection of the dead" is accomplished through the 'transmigration of the soul'. The body is temporary and the soul is eternal. Don't confuse 'heavens': the sky and space with 'heaven': an idyllic state of mind.

Anyone claiming to be "the Christ reincarnated" would (according to the Bible) have to produce the "book/scroll" prophesied in The Revelation 5:1-10:10 with the "7 seals" on the cover.


Jesus did not see the dead the same way as you see it. The dead to him were people who were blind in how to live. So that he was lord of the living. He promoted life. He knew that the old ways of living promoted death, anger, hatred, all things that leave to misery and death. Everybody in this world is dead.

Eat, sleep, work. Repeat. Until you die in body.You are dead already when you begin that slow suicidal march. The resurrection of the dead, is to rebirth in a new way of living. A whole new conscious. Everything new.

So that you are not your name, you are not your job, you are not a stranger, you are not judgemental, you do not consider time as your ruler, you do not consider money as important. Essentially it is one big wake up call.

To completely change from being who you are now, into a being who does not worry, does not think about tomorrow, or be haunted by yesterday. But live in today. The child in people are dead.

That is the resurrection of the dead in my mind. I am sure if christ came back he would need a bit more than a scroll, to get people to believe in him. I think it would have to turn into a paper jet and fly around the world a few times :)
 
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Revelation 22:16 KJV
(16) I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

I thought Gabriel called Jesus the Son of God, now he is the offspring of Venus???? I thought the bright and morning star was Lucifer???
A bright Morning Star (called the Star in the East by Matthew) appeared over Bethlehem on the day Jesus was born (March 27th, 4BC),
Interesting
I looked up the greek word for "star" and found it similar to the word used for "lightening" when Jesus saw Satan falling from heaven in Luke 10.

Luke 10:17 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name."
18 And He said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning/astraphn <796> from heaven.

Young) Revelation 22:16 `I Jesus did send my messenger to testify to you these things concerning the assemblies;
I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright and morning star/asthr <792>!


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Originally Posted by interpreter The second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ occurred on Oct. 28, 312 AD when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds, fulfilling Mat. 24:30. On that day Jesus came into power through St. Constantine who rode a white horse and conquered with a bow.
blaspheme!
:D

Perhaps just a tad "unorthodox" maybe :)

KJV) Psalms 74:10 O God, how long shall the adversary reproach?
shall the enemy blaspheme thy name for ever?

KJV) Revelation 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores,
and repented not of their deeds.

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the star that shown when Jesus was being born was so bright that you could see it during the day time. some saint said that.

the coming is going on all the time. what i think most people call the "coming" is what I call the "transformation of this age" and it is going to be very very very obvious.

the sores are sores on the soul. souls are already cold, the word soul in greek is made from a word that speaks about cold. so they are both cold and have sores now. ouch that is not good! no wonder why they can often imagine blasphemies against God. if they would repent they would not have errors. the pains must be the pains of their spirits? dunno what else it could be. pains is first because spirit is before soul? or is this pain the thing that is killing their soul? yeah maybe it is a struggle and a fight over those people. they will die in time!


wow now
Rev 16:10-11 (ESV)
The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in anguish and cursed the God of heaven for their pain and sores. They did not repent of their deeds.


and

Rev 9:1-6 (ESV)
And the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star fallen from heaven to earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit. He opened the shaft of the bottomless pit, and from the shaft rose smoke like the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened with the smoke from the shaft. Then from the smoke came locusts on the earth, and they were given power like the power of scorpions of the earth. They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were allowed to torment them for five months, but not to kill them, and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings someone. And in those days people will seek death and will not find it. They will long to die, but death will flee from them.


seem like the same thing, that angel of the abyss has got to be a good angel! there is an angel over the abyss... ofc the angels name is given as destroyer. but the only ones that need to be destroyed are the ones not already crucified with Christ imo, this destruction is a spiritual destruction of every thing that exalts itself above God imo.

1 enoch 20:1-2
And these are the names of the holy angels who watch.
2Uriel, one of the holy angels, who is over the world and over Tartarus.


those special angels are said to be the ones who finish the church, in the book of hermas. but that is only the 5th

vision book 1
Chap. IV.
In reply I said to her [vision of the church] , &#8220;This is magnificent and marvellous. But who are the six young men who are engaged in building?&#8221; And she said, &#8220;These are the holy angels of God, who were first created, and to whom the Lord handed over His whole creation, that they might increase and build up and rule over the whole creation. By these will the building of the tower be finished.&#8221; &#8220;But who are the other persons who are engaged in carrying the stones?&#8221; These also are holy angels of the Lord, but the former six are more excellent than these. The building of the tower will be finished, and all will rejoice together around the tower, and they will glorify God, because the tower is finished.&#8221;


here we see a progression of things but it is not yet done.

Rev 6:9-11 (ESV)
When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne. They cried out with a loud voice, &#8220;O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?&#8221; Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been.
 
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No where in the Bible is there any mention of a "second coming" or rapture. this is a religious myth.


1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.
 
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No where in the Bible is there any mention of a "second coming" or rapture. this is a religious myth.


9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will COME BACK in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
 
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