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[Wheeler]

Underheaven,

Thank you for your kindness and inspiring words. I'm glad to meet you and am glad that you are here!

God bless you!!

 

[Wheeler]

….continued from previous post….

I just love the way the book of Psalms begins. It is the book of the “fig tree” so to speak as shown from the very beginning of the book. Blessed is the man that will not walk in the counsel of the ungodly….nor will sit in the seat of the scornful. The Pharisees showed themselves as “the ungodly” by the blasphemous words that came out of their mouths. They sat in the seat of the scornful.

Psalms 1:1-3 KJV
(1) Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

The man who is blessed delights in the instruction of Jehovah. The Pharisees did not receive the instruction that Jesus spoke. The man who is blessed will meditate day and night upon His “law”….which means “instruction”.

(2) But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

Here is the “fig tree” in verse 3. He shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water which will bring forth his fruit in his season……

(3) And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

The book of Psalms could even have been the “fig tree” Nathanael was sitting under when Phillip came to get him. He was sitting under the “fig tree”….in other words probably reading the book of Psalms.

John 1:45-51 KJV
(45) Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

Nathanael’s response: Can there be any good thing that comes out of “Nazareth?” “Nazareth” means “branch” and refers to the tongue. Can there be any good thing come out of the mouth of man? Another meaning put forth for “Nazareth” is to “watch, guard keep”…..all of this pertains to the tongue. We are to watch, guard, keep the tongue in check. We are to bridle the tongue when we hear the Truth. And so Nathanael asks if anything good can come out of the mouth……namely the tongue.

(46) And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth?Philip saith unto him, Come and see.

And so Jesus’ exclamation makes sense here. Behold an Israelite indeed…in whom is no “guile”…or deceit. There was no deceit found in Nathanael’s words. No deceit found in his tongue.

(47) Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

Jesus following answer gives Nathanael faith that Jesus is the Son of God….the “King of Israel.” The title “King of Israel” reminds of us David who wrote Psalms. He tells Nathanael that he saw him under the “fig tree.” Jesus was telling Nathanael that he saw him reading the book of Psalms under the “fig tree”. He was probably meditating about what he was reading when Phillip came up to him about Jesus.

(48) Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.
(49) Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
(50) Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.

Nathanael was living in a time when everyone had turned away to his own way. There was no good thing coming out of “Nazareth”….the tongue of religious man. There was no faithfulness in the mouths of their religious leaders. There was wickedness in their inward parts. Their throats were open sepulchers…and they flattered with their tongues. The Pharisees fit all of these descriptions. They were whitewashed tombs….inwardly dead. Psalms 5:9 must have been the verse Nathanael was reading under the fig tree when Jesus stopped to talk with him. Not only did Jesus speak of the book Nathanael was reading but also pinpointed the verse…. Behold an Israelite in whom there is no deceit! No wonder Nathanael was completely amazed.

Psalms 5:8-9 KJV
(8) Lead me, O LORD, in thy righteousness because of mine enemies; make thy way straight before my face.
(9) For there is no faithfulness in their mouth; their inward part is very wickedness; their throat is an open sepulchre; they flatter with their tongue.

The Pharisees and scribes were like whited tombs that did appear beautiful outwardly but were full of dead men’s bones within. But Jesus revealed them with His Word. They were collectively the “man of sin” revealed for all to see by their evil opposition.

Matthew 23:27-28 KJV
(27) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

And so the Pharisees falsely accused him of having a devil in the ears of others. They blasphemed against the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 12:31-33 KJV
(31) Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
(32) And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Jesus warned them of this. It was currently their Day of salvation when he had warned them that every idle word spoken would be held accountable in the coming Day of Judgment. Judgment had not started yet….for God is patient…not wanting anyone to perish.

(36) But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Jesus asked the “generation of vipers” how can they escape the judgment of “hell?” This “evil generation” was generated at the speaking of Jesus. Before this, they had no “sin”…for they had not spoken out against anything that they had not heard yet. But when the Word of Truth came to them, they willfully sinned because they did not believe in what they heard. They were no longer in ignorance because they said that they did see. How would they escape the coming Day of Judgment then?

Matthew 23:32-33 KJV
(32) Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers
(33) Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

The Pharisees’ hearts were hardened and unrepentant. They heard the words of Jesus and spoke out against them. They “treasured” up for themselves wrath for the coming Day of wrath. God would judge them righteously….for how their sins deserved. Their sins were revealed with their mouths. All these things would come upon “this generation”….the wicked generation of unbelievers among His people.

Romans 2:5-9 KJV
(5) But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
(6) Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

The Pharisees were contentious with the Word of Truth Jesus spoke. They did not obey what they heard but obeyed unrighteousness when they spoke the evil out of their hearts. They opposed Jesus and spoke evil of him….saying he had a devil, etc. They were “antichrists”….opposed to Christ. They were gathering wrath up for the Day of Judgment….even though Jesus warned them that was what they were doing. Yet, they did not believe.

(8) But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

There is an evil generation that “curses” their father….for they did not listen to their fathers: Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Isaac, etc. Nor did they bless their mother….Rebecca, Sarah, Rachel, etc. They turned a deaf ear to the warnings of their fathers and mothers….and of their Father in heaven and their “Mother”…the wisdom of God…. Jerusalem from above who is the “mother” of us all.

Proverbs 30:11-14 KJV
(11) There is a generation that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother.

They were an evil generation who were pure in their own eyes….yet were not washed from their sins because of their unbelief in the Word that Jesus spoke.

(12) There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.

They were an evil generation that was wise in their own eyes. They were proud….they had no fear of God in their eyes. They exalted their own hearts.

(13) There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.

And in their opposition, they kept others from the Word of Truth with their lies that came out of their mouths.

(14) There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.

They took away the key of knowledge and hindered others from receiving the Truth.

Luke 11:52-54 KJV
(52) Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

The “dragon” went off to make war with those who did keep His commandments. They deceived others….leading those who had received the Truth away from it. They made some of those who did believe a “twofold” child of hell more than themselves. The Pharisees did not believe in the Word of Truth but were successful in reconverting some of those who did believe back to their old ways under their influence.

Matthew 23:15 KJV
(15) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

A twofold “child of hell” is one who had escaped the pollutions of the religious world but to only become entangled again in it because of their religious leaders’ great swelling words of vanity.

2 Peter 2:18-22 KJV
(18) For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
(19) While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
(20) For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness instead of knowing it and turning from the holy commandment that was delivered into them.

(21) For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

The Pharisees led others away from the words of Jesus with their lying words. They spoke utter error against Jehovah. They made “empty the soul of the hungry.” They hindered others from hearing and believing in the words of Jesus. They caused the “drink of the thirsty to fail”. People thirsted for the knowledge of God and Jesus gave them that water of life. The Pharisees made the drink of the thirsty to fail with their false, alluring words.

Isaiah 32:6-7 KJV
(6) For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.

Their “instruments” were their evil tongues and the “wicked devices” of their hearts were achieved through their lying words. They destroyed others with them….even those who had received the words of Jesus had they convinced to turn away from the Truth. They went off to make war with those who had received the Word of Truth.

(7) The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.

The Pharisees and scribes were an example of what to look for in these last days….for history will repeat. There is nothing new under the sun. All of things that were said and done will be repeated by religious men…and if we do not remember history, we are doomed to repeat it. The “evil generation” will arise again…and because they will not be able to war with the Word of Truth, they will turn to great swelling words of vanity to bring back those who will have almost escaped from them in the belief of the Truth. They will also turn to false accusations.

 

[FirenWater]

Great post Wheeler! Was looking at the fig tree, well, every man under his fig tree and thought these were kool as well

1Kings 4:25 And Judah and Israel dwelt safely, every man under his vine and under his fig tree, from Dan even to Beersheba, all the days of Solomon.


And a greater then Solomon is here...


Zech 3:8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.


Zech 3:10 In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.

John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

John 1:48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.

Prov 27:18 Whoso keepeth the fig tree shall eat the fruit thereof: so he that waiteth on his master shall be honoured.

John 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

John 1:50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.


I love that a wholesome tongue is also a tree of life and likewise a man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled.

Psalm 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

John 1:47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

1Peter 3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:

Same is shown here...

Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.


Who'd have thunked it?

God bless ya brother!

 

[he-man]

Great post Wheeler! Was looking at the fig tree, well, every man under his fig tree and thought these were kool as well

1Kings 4:25 And Judah and Israel dwelt safely, every man under his vine and under his fig tree, from Dan even to Beersheba, all the days of Solomon. Who'd have thunked it?God bless ya brother!

Amen the Lord will return to his Kingdom here on the EARTH!

6 and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen
Rev 1:6-7 (ESV)

10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God,
and they shall reign on the earth.”
Rev 5:10 (ESV)

22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering,
Heb 12:22 (ESV)

30 But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.”
Gal 4:30 (ESV)

So David went and brought up the ark of God from the house of Obed-edom to the city of David with rejoicing
2 Sam 6:12 (ESV)

19 The singers, Heman, Asaph, and Ethan, were to sound bronze cymbals;
1 Chron 15:19 (ESV)

29 So Zadok and Abiathar carried the ark of God back to Jerusalem, and they remained there.

30 But David went up the ascent of the Mount of Olives, weeping as he went, barefoot and with his head covered. And all the people who were with him covered their heads, and they went up, weeping as they went
2 Sam 15:29-30 (ESV)

 

[Zeena]

Amen the Lord will return to his Kingdom here on the EARTH!

With all due respect, this does not even line up with the Nicene Creed;

"whose Kingdom shall have no end."


"life of the world to come."

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22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering,
Heb 12:22 (ESV)

*Emphasis added*

John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

2 Pet 3:7;10;12
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

30 But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” Gal 4:30 (ESV)

Gal 4:20-31
My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.
Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

1 Cor 15:44
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Heb 9:24
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Heb 12:22-29
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God is a consuming fire.

Rev 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Rev 21:5
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

6 and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen

Who are the tribes of the earth if not the heads of Israel?

Acts 26:7
Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.

Did not the heads of each tribe mourn on account of Him?

Matt 9:15
And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.

Matt 5:4
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

Luke 24:17
And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?

Rev 1:6-7 (ESV)

10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God,
and they shall reign on the earth.”
Rev 5:10 (ESV)

Is this not speaking of those who were/are born again?

Rev 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rom 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Col 2:12-13
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Gal 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

1 Pet 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Heb 7:28
For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

1 John 3:1-2
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

[he-man]

With all due respect, this does not even line up with the Nicene Creed; "whose Kingdom shall have no end."
"life of the world to come."John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

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Exactly, not NOW but will be, and then his servants will fight at his coming to Earth to rule with a rod of IRON!

Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Psa 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

Psa 37:9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.


1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

At his coming, for he must reign on earth, otherwise what kingdom can be delivered up to God, even the Father; until all enemies are destroyed or placed under his authority.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

According to your philosophy, there is no longer any death or dying in this world, even for murderers, liars, and etc.

What, then does it mean "through death he might destroy him that had the power of death", when it is stated that God alone has the power of death? Deut. 32:39-42

Also what did the immolation of flesh and blood have to do with him dying? Was it not a very weak way to attempt to ward off a supernatural devil, by simply dying?

Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Zec 4:14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.
Joshua, the high priest; and Zerubbabel the governor. These are anointed - appointed by the Lord; and stand by him, the one to minister in the ecclesiastical, the other in the civil state.[JFB]

God is governor of all and Christ is the anointed Priest

Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Gen 13:15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

22:14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh:[Jehovah to see to it] as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.

28:15 And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of.

Gen 35:12 And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land.

Amen Amen, even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus!

 

[Wheeler]

Hi He-man and Zeena,

Peace to both of you.

 

[Wheeler]

Fire…..Thanks for those cool verses! Looking closer at 1 Kings 4:25…..

The Word of God brings peace to all of the hearers and doers of His Word. This peace shall rule in all of the days of Solomon. “Solomon” which means “peace” is a reference to our King whose Word will bring complete peace to all of His people (bringing both Jew and Gentile together) in this coming time. This “new man” of both Jew and Gentile being brought together in Christ Jesus is the “new creation”.

1 Kings 4:25 KJV
(25) And Judah and Israel dwelt safely, every man under his vine and under his fig tree, from Dan even to Beersheba, all the days of Solomon.

In this last day, “Dan” and “Beersheba” are not considered in their literal, historical sense. If we look at their meanings, we see that “Dan” means “judge” and “Beersheba” means “well of the seven”. In the “regeneration”….in the creation of this “new man” ….shall we sit with Him judging the 12 tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:28 KJV
(28) And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

In “Dan”, we shall judge the world……

1 Corinthians 6:2-3 KJV
(2) Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

…..we shall judge “angels”….or messengers who do not speak the Word of Truth in this last day. We shall sit with Him in His throne.

(3) Know ye not that we shall judge angels?how much more things that pertain to this life?

We shall judge with Christ Jesus until “Beersheba”….meaning the well of the seven. This is a reference to being filled with all of the fullness of God….the Seven Spirits of God.

Ephesians 3:19 KJV
(19) And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

In the “regeneration,” He will send out His angels…His messengers….to build up this “new man”….the body of Christ….

Ephesians 4:11-13 KJV
(11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
(12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

…….until we all come together as a “perfect man”….until “Beersheba”…..the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.

(13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

But note that judging is not calling down fire on those who do not listen. We do not curse those who will disagree with the messengers of God. Vengeance is for God. Our God is a consuming fire. As His messengers…the “reapers”, we gather together first the “tares” and bind them in bundles…..so that they may be burned afterwards.

Matthew 13:30 KJV
(30) Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

The “tares” are those teachings of religious men that currently lead others astray….away from having love for one another. They “offend”….they are stumbling blocks to His people so that they can not fulfill His commandments….having love for one another. The “tares” are also those who do and teach them to others. The “tares” shall be revealed by their evil words of opposition to the Word of Truth that the messengers will speak. They will be identified and “bundled” together so to speak.

Matthew 13:41 KJV
(41) The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

His messengers will be His people in the here and now…in this life… who will hear the revelation of the Word of Truth with their ears which does NOT originate from the hearts of “flesh and blood” men who preach in their carnal understanding. This revelation will be from the Father which is in “heaven”….in the hearing of His voice. Upon this “rock” of divine revelation from above (in the ears) shall He build His church. “Simon” means “hearing” and “ Barjona” means “son of Jonah”….son of the dove. In other words, blessed are those who hear what the Spirit of Truth is saying in this last day.

Matthew 16:17-19 KJV
(17) And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona:for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

The “gates of hell” will be the mouths of the resisters of the Spirit in this last day. They will exalt themselves against the hearing of His Word of Truth. They will be in opposition…in hatred….unified by their unbelief….but they will not prevail against the building of His church. They will be the “tares” who will be identified with their mouths so that they may be “bound.”

(18) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The “reapers”…His messengers….shall have they keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatsoever shall be “bound” on earth…..the “tares”…shall be bound in heaven. Whatsoever shall be loosed on earth….the “wheat” ….shall be loosed in heaven.

(19) And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

We are to “mark” those “gates of hell”….them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine of the Word of Truth…..and AVOID them.

Romans 16:17-18 KJV
(17) Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

They may call themselves “Christians” but they will reveal themselves as those not serving our Lord Jesus Christ…but their own bellies…their own covetousness. The “tares” shall reveal themselves. The preaching of the Word of God in Truth and Spirit shall reveal them…for they will not listen but will be argumentative about it.

(18) For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

If the son of peace is not within them, then our peace shall return back to us.

Matthew 10:12-15 KJV
(12) And when ye come into an house, salute it.
(13) And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

The “tares” will not hear our words….and so we are to “depart out of that house”…..and mark them…avoid them. The food of the “serpent” is “dust”….meaning their words that will come out of their mouths at the hearing of the Truth will be evil, hateful, full of hypocrisy, envious, etc. We are not to render evil back to them for their evil….but we are to shake off their hateful words and accusations that they will fire at us. Let them not stick to us as we depart from them.

(14) And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
(15) Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

For He will send His “angels”…His messengers…forth as sheep in the midst of the wolves that are currently in the churches. We are to be wise as serpents….but harmless as doves…..not rendering evil for their evil speaking out against us.

Matthew 10:16 KJV
(16) Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Luke 10:3 KJV
(3) Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.

They will not receive our peace and so our peace shall return to us like the dove that returned to Noah….

Genesis 8:8-9 KJV
(8) Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;

Our peace….the Word of God…shall return back to us….as the “waters” of debate and strife shall still be covering their hearts (the “earth”).

(9) But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth:then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.

But if the “son of peace” shall reside in the heart of the hearers of the Word of Truth, then they shall speak peace with their mouths in return.

Genesis 8:11-12 KJV
(11) And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
(12) And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more.


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Those who lead this current religious world will continue to speak from their own point of view and will not listen to the Truth in this last day. And many shall continue following their erroneous pastors and denominations.

1 John 4:5-8 KJV
(5) They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

But those who are of God will hear His messengers in this last day. Those who will hear and love what they will hear are of God and are of the Spirit of Truth.

(6) We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

God is love…and those who will receive the love of the Word of Truth are of God. Those who will not love what they hear does not know God…for they will hate His Word of Truth.

(7) Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
(8) He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

We are to be not weary in well doing…..so as not to render evil for the evil of the tares that shall reveal themselves with their mouths.

2 Thessalonians 3:13-16 KJV
(13) But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing.

If they will not receive the Word…note that man and have no company with him…..

(14) And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.

….yet count him not as an enemy but admonish him as a brother…..

(15) Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

….so that the Lord of peace Himself shall always give us peace by all means…..

(16) Now the Lord of peace himself give you peace always by all means. The Lord be with you all.

Whoever will exalt himself against the Word of Truth shall be humbled by the judgment of God.

Luke 14:11 KJV
(11) For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

When His judgments are in the “earth”….the heart of man….then they shall learn His righteousness. We are to seek Him EARLY so that we will not come under His judgment. We are to humble our hearts so that He may exalt us….instead of exalting our hearts first in our religious pride and then He has to humble us with His judgments.

Isaiah 26:9-10 KJV
(9) With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

The “wicked” will not believe in His revealed Word of Truth….even though they will hear it with their ears in the Day of salvation. They will deal unjustly with their evil speaking in their hard and unrepentant hearts.

(10) Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD.

The “tares” will think it strange that you will no longer run with them…..not keeping company any longer with them. They will speak evil of you.

1 Peter 4:4-11 KJV
(4) Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:

But for every idle word that they will speak, they shall be held accountable before the Judge.

(5) Who shall give account to himthat is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

The Lord shall send the “rain” of the revealed Word of Truth upon them as well. Those who live in hatred are dwelling in “death.” The “dead”…those who will hate the Word…. shall hear the Word with their ears. This will be done to reveal them…so that they might be judged according to men in the flesh….according to their envy, strife, covetousness. This will be done so that these things might be destroyed out of their hearts and tongues…so that they may live according to God in the Spirit.

(6) For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
(7) But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
(8) And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
(9) Use hospitality one to another without grudging.

The “tares” shall reveal themselves in our churches at the revealing of the Word of Truth. They shall be an unruly group….speaking evil of those who will hear and receive the Truth…but we are not to render evil for their evil.

Matthew 5:44-48 KJV
(44) But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you,and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

We are to do good to them that will hate us…so that we may the children of our Father. He will make the “sun” rise on the evil and on the good. He will send the “rain” of the Word of Truth on the just and the unjust as well.

(45) That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
(46) For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
(47) And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
(48) Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

[FirenWater]

Always an interesting post from you Wheeler

Cant add much to that bro, I'll be back here reading, probrobly not saying too much (because I'm as dry as a pile of bones here)

God bless you my brother, always a pleasure

 

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26:9-10 KJV

The saying for when thy judgments are in the earth means when the Kingdom of God is set up on the Earth and then the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness but not until that day.

26:9-10 KJV
(9) With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

The saying in the [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]ancient birth anew means [/FONT][/FONT]when the Messianic restoration of the Kingdom of God is set up on the Earth and then you also shall sit upon twelve thrones but not until that day will you be judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:28 KJV
(28) And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That you which have followed me, in the [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]ancient birth anew [/FONT][/FONT]when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

1 Corinthians 6:2-3 KJV
(2) Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

(3) Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Matthew 13:30 KJV

Psa 149:9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.

Now, Just a few corrections....
Futhermore His messengers will NOT be His people in the here and now…in this life…

The Son of man shall send forth his angels not us and they [his angels ] shall gather Not us! the reapers are the angels.

Matthew 13:30 KJV
(30) Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather you together first the
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]weeds [/FONT][/FONT], and tie them in bundles to burn them up: but gather the wheat into my repository.

Matthew 13:41 KJV
(41) The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Mat 13:39The enemy that sowed them is the accuser; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40As therefore the weeds are gathered and burned up in the fire; so shall it be at the end of this world/age.

Mat 16:18And I say also unto you, That you are Peter, and upon this stone I will build my congregation; and the
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]gateways [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]of death shall not prevail against it.

(19) And I will give to you to fasten shut with a lock < G2808> the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]Mt 6:6, 23:14, 25:10; [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]G2808 &#954;&#955;&#949;&#953;&#948;&#945;&#962; &#922;&#955;&#949;&#953;&#974; fasten shut with a lock[/FONT][/FONT]

Another idiom For He will send &#925;&#927;&#932;His &#8220;angels&#8221;???&#8230;But These twelve Jesus sent forth as sheep

Mat 10:
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth
15Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

16Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

 

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You use we in a way that that denotes you or me. Jesus stated that he did nothing of himself ? Please, this is not meant as a challange.

 

[he-man]

You use we in a way that that denotes you or me. Jesus stated that he did nothing of himself ? Please, this is not meant as a challange.

okay...Psa 149:9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.

Now, Just a few corrections....
Futhermore His messengers will NOT be His people in the here and now…in this life…

The Son of man shall send forth his angels not us and they [his angels ] shall gather Not us! the reapers are the angels.

Matthew 13:30 KJV
(30) Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather you together first the
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]weeds [/FONT][/FONT], and tie them in bundles to burn them up: but gather the wheat into my repository.

Matthew 13:41 KJV
(41) The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Mat 13:39The enemy that sowed them is the accuser; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40As therefore the weeds are gathered and burned up in the fire; so shall it be at the end of this world/age.

Mat 16:18And I say also unto you, That you are Peter, and upon this stone I will build my congregation; and the
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]gateways [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]of death shall not prevail against it.

(19) And I will give to you to fasten shut with a lock < G2808> the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]Mt 6:6, 23:14, 25:10; [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]G2808 &#954;&#955;&#949;&#953;&#948;&#945;&#962; &#922;&#955;&#949;&#953;&#974; fasten shut with a lock[/FONT][/FONT]

Another idiom For He will send &#925;&#927;&#932;His “angels”???…But These twelve Jesus sent forth as sheep

Mat 10:
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth
15Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

16Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

 

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Many people are confused about what an “angel” is. The Greek word “aggelos” means “a messenger”…..which only REPEATS what message is given to him. The message does not originate from the messenger. He only passes along what he hears with his own ears. The word should be seen by its function instead of an ethereal image. It is in the purpose and not the image that the word should be viewed. It very commonsensical. The translators of the bible could not bear to use the word “angel” for human beings. Why?
An example of this is in James 2. Rahab received the “messengers”….the Greek word here is “aggelos”. In other words, she received the “angels” who were MEN.

James 2:25 KJV
(25) Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

The “angels” or messengers were two men…..flesh and bone men.

Joshua 2:1-2 KJV
(1) And Joshua the son of Nun sent out of Shi**im two mento spy secretly, saying, Go view the land, even Jericho. And they went, and came into an harlot's house, named Rahab, and lodged there.
(2) And it was told the king of Jericho, saying, Behold, there came men in hither to night of the children of Israel to search out the country.

Another example is in Luke 9. Jesus sent His “angels” (Greek word “aggelos”)….His messengers…before His face into a village of the Samaritans. His disciples were the “angels”…messengers.

Luke 9:51-54 KJV
(51) And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,
(52) And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.
(53) And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.

James and John were “angels”…. for they were sent with a message from Jesus to prepare their hearts for Him.

(54) And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

John the Baptist even had “angels”….or messengers. Greek word here is “aggelos”.

Luke 7:24 KJV
(24) And when the messengers of John were departed, he began to speak unto the people concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind?

John the Baptist himself was the “angel”(Greek word “aggelos”)….the MESSENGER ….that was sent before His face to prepare the Way.

Luke 7:27 KJV
(27) This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

The disciples of Jesus represent the angels…the messengers of the Truth…that shall be sent out in this last day to preach the Word of Truth. The disciples were sent forth to preach the message. This message did not originate in them….but they only preached what they heard the Spirit saying.

Mark 16:15 KJV
(15) And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Mark 16:20 KJV
(20) And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

The disciples were the “angels” of Jesus….His messengers…sent out to preach everywhere. Likewise in this last day, He shall send forth His messengers of the Truth (the great sound of a trumpet) to gather together His people from the” four winds”.

Matthew 24:31 KJV
(31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather togetherhis elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Matthew 24 is directly explained by Paul here in Ephesians 4. The “angels” are the last-day apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers….sent forth to build the body of Christ…..the “new man”…both Jew and Gentile. They shall preach the revealed Word of Truth that shall gather together His elect from every wind of erroneous doctrine of religious man ( the four winds).

Ephesians 4:11-14 KJV
(11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

This is the “new man” that is to be created in Him. His “angels” help build this new man….come let US make man in OUR image…

(12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

The “new man” …the “perfect man”…is the gathering of His elect by the Word of Truth.

(13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

They shall be gathered from the “four winds”….every wind of doctrine. We shall all be unified in the Truth.

(14) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

When we hear the Word of Truth in this last day and awake to His righteousness…casting away the works of darkness of religious man….then we are as the “angels of heaven”. We shall become His messengers…repeating what we hear the Spirit saying.

Mark 12:25 KJV
(25) For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

If we can overcome, then we can then be an “angel of the church”…..

Revelation 2:1 KJV
Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

By overcoming, He will use us to preach to the churches….as the “angel”…messenger to the church. We can then speak His Word of Truth so that others may overcome.

Revelation 2:7 KJV
(7) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

He calls His “angels” in this last day first to show them the mystery of His will.

Ephesians 1:3-14 KJV
(3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

He chooses us in Him BEFORE the “foundation” of the world. The Greek word for “foundation” is “katabole” which means “to throw down.” He chooses His “angels” or messengers BEFORE the throwing down of this current Babylon of religious man who speaks confusion.

(4) According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
(5) Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
(6) To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

He calls His “angels” first….and forgives them so that they may be pure and holy in the preaching of His Word of Truth to the churches.

(7) In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
(8) Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

He makes known to His “angels” the mystery of His will…..

(9) Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

….that in the fullness of times, He shall gather together in ONE all things in Christ. That is what the “angels” do for Him….they come forth to gather all things together in heaven and earth in Him with a great sound of a trumpet which is the revealed Word of Truth.

(10) That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

His “angels” are His people who have been predestinated according to the purpose of Him. They will help Him gather together all things in Him. That is their inheritance that they will obtain.

(11) In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

His “angels” are His appointed messengers who will have first trusted in Christ….the Word of Truth….when they hear it. “Ephesus” means “first”. They are chosen first by their belief in the Word of Truth before the throwing down of the current religious world of confusion.

(12) That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

His “angels” are those who will first trust in what they will hear in this last day…..the revealed Word of Truth. They are to be sealed with that Holy Spirit of “promise”. The Greek word for “promise” is “epaggelia” which means “to announce, MESSAGE” and comes from the base word of….you guessed it…. “aggelos”. In other words, His “angels”…messengers…are sealed with the Holy “Spirit”….meaning the “Breath” of the last day message of Christ. They are sent forth to preach His Word by repeating what they hear the Spirit saying.

(13) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

This is done so that they can gather together all of His elect…until the redemption of the purchased possession.

(14) Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

The twelve disciples of Jesus were His “angels” sent forth unto all of the world to preach the good news. The 144,000 are His last day “angels” who will also be sent forth unto all of the world to preach the good news of the deliverance from religious man’s prisons, falsehoods, grievous burdens, envy and strife, divisions and hatred.

Revelation 14:1-7 KJV
(1) And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
(2) And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

They will sing a “new song”…the revealed Word of God.

(3) And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

These are those who will be redeemed from among men……being the FIRSTFRUITS. They are of the “Ephesians”…which means “first”…who will FIRST trust in the Word of Truth that they will hear in this last day.

(4) These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

No deceit will be found in their mouth….

(5) And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

They will preach the “everlasting gospel” unto those that will dwell on the earth…..on their own hearts….so they can be saved from the coming wrath that will come upon those who will stubbornly oppose what is preached.

(6) And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
(7) Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

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But not all in the churches will consent to the wholesome words of His messengers that they will repeat. Men shall rise up in their pride at the hearing of the Word of Truth. The “man of sin” shall reveal himself with his own tongue. He shall rise up to “dote about” questions and “strifes of words.” He shall dispute the meanings of words because he knows nothing and is proud.

1 Timothy 6:3-6 KJV
(3) If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
(4) He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

As judgment, we are to withdraw ourselves from such who are “destitute of the Truth.”

(5) Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
(6) But godliness with contentment is great gain.

What comes out of a man’s heart defiles him. Those who can not bridle the tongue are “unclean”. Every “open vessel” which is not “covered” is unclean.

Numbers 19:15 KJV
(15) And every open vessel, which hath no covering bound upon it, is unclean.

Their throat is an OPENED sepulcher….whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness. The “man of sin” is revealed by his own mouth.

Romans 3:12-14 KJV
(12) They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
(13) Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
(14) Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

This is the point of the opened tomb that is shown in Matthew.


The messenger of the Lord comes forth to preach what is heard with his ears…..and there is a “great earthquake.” The “earthquake” is the wrath that will shake the heart of those who will oppose the Word of Truth. The “stone” is rolled back from the “door”….the mouth that is like an opened tomb shall open up to speak evil. But Jesus shall judge by what he hears. By our own words shall we be held accountable in the Day of judgment.

Matthew 28:2-8 KJV
(2) And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

A fool’s wrath is heavier than a stone. A fool shall build his house on the “sand” of his wrath against the Truth.

Proverbs 27:3 KJV
(3) A stone is heavy, and the sand weighty; but a fool's wrath is heavier than them both.

He shall "sit" upon the "stone" in judgment. The “wicked” shall be revealed with his mouth…who the Lord shall consume with the Breath of His mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming….

Matthew 28(3) His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:

Then those who will have spoken without the fear of God with the open sepulcher of their mouths shall shake and become as “dead”. Their exalted hearts shall be humbled at His judgments.

(4) And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 KJV
(8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

This is why every man should be swift to hear and slow to speak….SLOW TO WRATH. In his pride, the opposers of the Word of Truth shall open up their mouths like the opened tomb in wrath. But the wrath of man does not work the righteousness of God.

James 1:19-20 KJV
(19) Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
(20) For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

Jesus is NOT FOUND in the opened sepulcher of the mouth of religious men who will be filled with wrath at the hearing of Word....the "angel" of the Lord that descends from heaven.

Matthew 28
(5) And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
(6) He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

He is found in the turning of ears and hearts back to him at the hearing of His Word of Truth."Galilee" means "revolution, to turn, wheel."


(7) And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
(8) And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
The revealed Word of God shall reveal the “man of sin”…for he will not be able to contain the wrath within his heart. There shall be a “great earthquake” of wrath within his heart and his mouth shall open like the opened tomb to speak evil of “dignities” and will despise the government of God over their hearts. His elect shall see them and will depart from their presence….for Jesus in not found in their mouths. What will be found in their mouths will be wrath, guile, evil disputing of words, complaining, scorning, murmurings, great swelling words that deceive, etc. But God shall deliver His elect out of the temptations that shall come out of their mouths. He knows how to hold the "unjust" until the Day of their judgment to be punished for all of their evil, idle words.


2 Peter 2:9-12 KJV
(9) The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
(10) But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

And His messengers shall not render evil for their evil….for God shall judge the unjust in the Day of wrath so that they will be humbled in their hearts and mouths....for every tongue shall confess and every knee shall bow.


(11) Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

 

[he-man]

Many people are confused about what an “angel” is. The Greek word “aggelos” means “a messenger”…..which only REPEATS what message is given to him. The word should be seen by its function instead of an ethereal image. It is in the purpose and not the image that the word should be viewed. It very commonsensical. The translators of the bible could not bear to use the word “angel” for human beings. Why?

Matthew 24:31 KJV
(31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather togetherhis elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

&#945;&#947;&#947;&#949;&#955;&#959;&#965;&#962; &#945;&#947;&#947;&#949;&#955;&#969;&#957; &#945;&#947;&#947;&#949;&#955;&#959;&#957; &#945;&#947;&#947;&#949;&#955;&#959;&#965;&#962; Me thinks you are confused.

Have you ever read the The word should not only be seen by its function but also by the [ethereal] heavenly, spiritual image.

Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

16 And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way.

22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.

33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place

So 3 men stood before Abraham and then 2 of the 3 men went toward Sodom but Abraham still stood before one of the men whom, after considering to destroy Sodom and talking it over with Abraham went on his way.

Then guess who showed up at Sodom? 2 of the 3 men bearing the message of the destruction of Sodom, to Lot.

You could even apply the word "MESSENGERS" with the POWER from the LORD out of heaven to blind and DESTROY!

Have you ever read Gen 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

Have you ever read the heavenly, spiritual image of Gen 32:1 And Jacob went on his way, and the angels [messengers] of God met him.

2 And when Jacob saw them, he said, This is God's host: and he called the name of that place Mahanaim.

Have you ever read The word should be seen by its function?
3 And Jacob sent messengers before him to Esau his brother unto the land of Seir, the country of Edom.

 

[Wheeler]

hi he-man,

Bro, I'm not here for any arguing. But thanks for taking the time to read though.

Peace.

W

 

[Zeena]

okay...Psa 149:9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.

Now, Just a few corrections....
Futhermore His messengers will NOT be His people in the here and now…in this life…

The Son of man shall send forth his angels not us and they [his angels ] shall gather Not us! the reapers are the angels.

Matthew 13:30 KJV
(30) Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather you together first the
weeds , and tie them in bundles to burn them up: but gather the wheat into my repository.

Matthew 13:41 KJV
(41) The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Mat 13:39The enemy that sowed them is the accuser; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40As therefore the weeds are gathered and burned up in the fire; so shall it be at the end of this world/age.

Mat 16:18And I say also unto you, That you are Peter, and upon this stone I will build my congregation; and the
gateways of death shall not prevail against it.

(19) And I will give to you to fasten shut with a lock < G2808> the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Mt 6:6, 23:14, 25:10; G2808 &#954;&#955;&#949;&#953;&#948;&#945;&#962; &#922;&#955;&#949;&#953;&#974; fasten shut with a lock

Another idiom For He will send &#925;&#927;&#932;His “angels”???…But These twelve Jesus sent forth as sheep

Mat 10:
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth
15Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

16Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

John 4:35-38
Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest. And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together.
And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth. I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labour: other men laboured, and ye are entered into their labours.

John 11:22
But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.

Mark 4:24
And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.

Isa 54:1
Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Wheeler Many people are confused about what an &#8220;angel&#8221; is. The Greek word &#8220;aggelos&#8221; means &#8220;a messenger&#8221;&#8230;..

Me thinks you are confused.

Have you ever read the The word should not only be seen by its function but also by the [ethereal] heavenly, spiritual image.

hi he-man,

Bro, I'm not here for any arguing. But thanks for taking the time to read though.
Peace.
W

I guess he is the only one here on CF that is not confused

 

[he-man]

I guess he is the only one here on CF that is not confused

Luk 23:42 And he said: Jesus, remember me when thou comest in thy kingdom.