Sola Scriptura

[Montalban]

Scripture doesn't claim that it is Christ. So I'm not sure why anyone would try and find the actual true Christ which is sitting on the right hand of God--which we're told in Scripture.

Scripture does however tells us that we can come to know that He is the Son of God. And it is pinned by the one who came to witness about God and Jesus--the Holy Spirit.

Yet people here are saying that scripture alone is all sufficient.

This means that you can only know Jesus by that which is written.





And it's not scriptural, to say that one should only follow scripture

 

[Montalban]

What are these two, that the original apostles didn't know

They experienced Christ for 3 years and new him.

There's a difference between when I write to someone and when I speak to someone in person.

When I speak to them they see me and get subtlety of my face, gestures, etc.

The bible itself says not everything was written down.

Thus we see in Acts 15 the Apostles decided that the OT law of circumcision didn't apply to Gentiles any more. This is not based on previous scripture

 

[Montalban]

What are the sacred traditions the original apostles didn't tell us? Wouldn't we have all we need to know Christ and mature in Him from the original apostles ?

They told us everything, just not in scripture.

What books are scripture being one thing

The formula that sets out the nature of the Trinity is not in scripture.

You are faced with the dilemma that they either just made it up on the spot, or it was handed down to them

 

[Montalban]

That doesn't really answer the question being asked though.
Surely in a book that thick, a practicing believer would remember one or two teachings that come from sacred tradition that scripture doesn't cover.

What is scripture - is that in scripture?

 

[MamaZ]

I believe scripture has all I need to grow in Christ. I also believe that one with the HS knows what is scripture penned by men moved by the same HS and one who has the HS dwelling within them. For scripture teaches me that I do not need men to teach me but that the HS will lead me into all truth. Jesus tells us that the word of God is truth. Tradition has many avenues and there are many Tradition out there. One body teaches on tradition while another body teaches almost the same tradition as the other but has eliminated some of what the other church teaches. This is why I like to stick to scripture.

 

[Thekla]

I think of course it is important to search and know the Scriptures; but note that John was speaking to a Church and wrote using the plural about the leading of the Holy Spirit into understanding. Paul echoes this, noting that gifts and talents are given for the good of the whole body.

 

[Standing Up]

I believe scripture has all I need to grow in Christ. I also believe that one with the HS knows what is scripture penned by men moved by the same HS and one who has the HS dwelling within them. For scripture teaches me that I do not need men to teach me but that the HS will lead me into all truth. Jesus tells us that the word of God is truth. Tradition has many avenues and there are many Tradition out there. One body teaches on tradition while another body teaches almost the same tradition as the other but has eliminated some of what the other church teaches. This is why I like to stick to scripture.

I'm not sure why folks keeping arguing in support of LDS's Tradition.

If not, it's because it's not scriptural. Not that it doen't have its own Tradition, like the others.

 

[Montalban]

I believe scripture has all I need to grow in Christ.

I believe Christ has.

 

[Thekla]

I think LDS is discussed in the Unorthodox Theology section; I'm not sure why it is included in a GT discussion

 

[Montalban]

I don't understand why people follow this new tradition of bible worship.

 

[Standing Up]

I don't understand why people follow this new tradition of bible worship.

Where'd all the straw go?

 

[Thekla]

For those desiring to discuss the LDS:

http://www.christianforums.com/f130/

 

[Montalban]

I think LDS is discussed in the Unorthodox Theology section; I'm not sure why it is included in a GT discussion

I think it's called Association fallacy

 

[Montalban]

For those worshipping the bible - claiming it alone is all sufficient in preference to Jesus himself, they would need to establish how people found Jesus before the bible came into being

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

For those worshipping the bible - claiming it alone is all sufficient in preference to Jesus himself, they would need to establish how people found Jesus before the bible came into being

1. I think that number is zero.


2. You continue to confuse Scripture with some modern tome of the Bible. While I agree that for some 1900 years, your confusion is fairly irrelevant, it is prior to that. There is no such thing as Sola Biblica.


3. Your post has nothing to do with Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura is the practice of embracing Scripture as the rule/canon/norma normas as we evaluate disputed dogmas among us. It has nothing to do with worshiping anything or anyone, or in finding anyone.





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[steve_bakr]

1. I think that number is zero.

2. Your post has nothing to do with Sola Scriptura.

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I used to go to a church that said the Bible is the final authority, and I would think to myself, "No, God is the final authority." The point is that God can also speak to us through sacred Tradition and the teaching authority of the Church in addition to Holy Scripture. The three serve as pillars of Catholic faith.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

For those worshipping the bible - claiming it alone is all sufficient in preference to Jesus himself, they would need to establish how people found Jesus before the bible came into being

1. I think that number is zero.


2. There is no such thing as Sola Biblica. For reasons I don't understand, you continue to confuse Scripture with your tome with "Bible" written on the front. I agree that essentially, they are the same for the past 1900 years or so (and thus to today - when the practice is practiced) but they aren't identical prior to that. I don't know if you believe that all 27 NT books were written along with the Ten Commandments at Mount Sinai or if you simply reject the OT as Scripture, but you need to remember that it's Sola SCRIPTURA, not Sola Novum Testamentum or Sola Biblica, and that those that embrace this practice generally accept both the OT and NT as Scripture.


3. Your post has nothing to do with Sola Scriptura. The practice of embracing Scripture as the rule in the norming of disputed dogmas among us has nothing to do with the worship of anything or anyone, or with the finding of any lost person or persons. Nothing. Let's try to stick to the issue of the thread - it would help. Thanks!



Pax


- Josiah





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[Albion]

I used to go to a church that said the Bible is the final authority, and I would think to myself, "No, God is the final authority."

You know, I'm sure, that you both meant the same thing.

The point is that God can also speak to us through sacred Tradition and the teaching authority of the Church in addition to Holy Scripture.

He can. And he can also use a magic eight ball, direct revelation to each believer a la the LDS, and/or tarot cards. He CAN do all of this, but there is nothing that would indicate that these are vehicles he has chosen to use, whereas the Bible explains its nature and origin. In theory, it could be wrong also, but there are a lot of good reasons to believe it, whereas there are none to suggest that all the others are anything. Tradition, for instance, never makes any claims for itself; there isn't even any agreed-upon definition of what exactly it is! That is why so many of us put our faith in the word of God and believe that if God indeed chose to reveal his will for us through it, that it isn't incomplete, a failure, or only half-true..

 

[steve_bakr]

You know, I'm sure, that you both meant the same thing.

He can. And he can also use a magic eight ball, direct revelation to each believer a la the LDS, and/or tarot cards. He CAN do all of this, but there is nothing that would indicate that these are vehicles he has chosen to use, whereas the Bible explains its nature and origin. In theory, it could be wrong also, but there are a lot of good reasons to believe it, whereas there are none to suggest that all the others are anything. Tradition, for instance, never makes any claims for itself; there isn't even any agreed-upon definition of what exactly it is! That is why so many of us put our faith in the word of God and believe that if God indeed chose to reveal his will for us through it, that it isn't incomplete, a failure, or only half-true..

The Catholic Church teaches that God has and does reveal himself through the three pillars of sacred Tradition, Holy Scripture, and the Apostolic teaching authority (Magesterium) of the Church with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Albion]

The Catholic Church teaches that God has and does reveal himself through the three pillars of sacred Tradition, Holy Scripture, and the Apostolic teaching authority (Magesterium) of the Church with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

We know that, steve. What you said before was not that the RCC teaches this or believes it but that it is true.