the awaited messiah of the Jews

[LoAmmi]

why is it wrong?

Well, Ha by itself is usually "the". "Yah" generally has something to do with HaShem. I am just not familiar with it.

You may want to check on the Messianic Judaism section. I think they have people that are much better with Hebrew than I am.

 

[dfw69]

Well, Ha by itself is usually "the". "Yah" generally has something to do with HaShem. I am just not familiar with it.

You may want to check on the Messianic Judaism section. I think they have people that are much better with Hebrew than I am.

okay thank you....i think it means 'i am that i am' in english....but i wanted to know for sure...

 

[LoAmmi]

okay thank you....i think it means 'i am that i am' in english....but i wanted to know for sure...

Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh

That is the name given in Ex that we usually translate into English that way.

 

[dfw69]

o then i got an idea of what the other means

 

[pinkputter]

LoAmmi, are you gonna respond to my post and explain how it imposes on ur religion?

 

[LoAmmi]

LoAmmi, are you gonna respond to my post and explain how it imposes on ur religion?

I did not see it.

If you are absolutely correct, that means I must be wrong, right? So, you want me to doubt my faith because you are absolutely correct.

This entire thread is about the Jewish expectations of the Messiah. That means, basically, not Jesus.

 

[dfw69]

I did not see it.

If you are absolutely correct, that means I must be wrong, right? So, you want me to doubt my faith because you are absolutely correct.

This entire thread is about the Jewish expectations of the Messiah. That means, basically, not Jesus.

will elijah come before the jewish messiah?.....or is he to come before YHWH?

 

[LoAmmi]

will elijah come before the jewish messiah?.....or is he to come before YHWH?

Yes to the first question.

I do not understand the second question.

 

[dfw69]

Yes to the first question.

I do not understand the second question.

sorry im a little confused.....okay so elijah comes to prepare the way for the messiah....but is the messiah is a man?.....or is the messiah the lord YHWH?

 

[LoAmmi]

sorry im a little confused.....okay so elijah comes to prepare the way for the messiah....but is the messiah is a man?.....or is the messiah the lord YHWH?

The Messiah is only a man.

 

[dfw69]

The Messiah is only a man.

Why does elijah need to prepare the way for a man?

 

[dfw69]

Does it not say that elijah comes before the great and terrible day of yhwh in malachi 4:5 ?

 

[cupid dave]

sorry im a little confused.....okay so elijah comes to prepare the way for the messiah....but is the messiah is a man?.....or is the messiah the lord YHWH?

Neither christians nor muslims are clear on this.

If Elijah never died, went directly to Heaven 800 years before Jesus appeared, isn;t his return evidence of his godship, in that by definition, Elijah is immortal????

If Elijah comes back, how can the messiah ben David be a god too?

 

[cupid dave]

The Messiah is only a man.

Yes.
Actually, he is referred to as "nasi," or the king whih is similar to what we mean when we say Einstein reigns over Modern Physics today, replacing Newton's Physics with the over view of Relativity.

The man who comes is just a brother among us, but one who opens the scriptures in a way that "ecumencializes" the monotheism that fills 1/3 of the world today.

(See Rev 5:3-6 and Rev 19:10)

The messiah will be the king of the bible, of scripture, of monotheistic religion.

 

[cupid dave]

Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh

That is the name given in Ex that we usually translate into English that way.

I think it is even better translated as I am what I become.

This refers to God, which as I contend, has a son called Truth.
Truth is sired by the forces of Nature which create endlessly the next frames of Reality that are what it is has become.




i.e.;
TRINITY:
Our Lord is (1) Truth, in whose (2) Spirit of mind we must commit our lives, in order to face (3) Father Nature, The Almighty, Reality, within which we all exist.

 

[dfw69]

Neither christians nor muslims are clear on this.

If Elijah never died, went directly to Heaven 800 years before Jesus appeared, isn;t his return evidence of his godship, in that by definition, Elijah is immortal????

If Elijah comes back, how can the messiah ben David be a god too?

for me....just because enoch and elijah were to come back after being alive in heaven for so long does not make them gods or immortal......they could have simply been sustain by the power of god or have access to the tree of life ....when they return and finish their prophecing they are going to be killed by the beast out of the bottomless pit....then resurrected

 

[dfw69]

Neither christians nor muslims are clear on this.

If Elijah never died, went directly to Heaven 800 years before Jesus appeared, isn;t his return evidence of his godship, in that by definition, Elijah is immortal????

If Elijah comes back, how can the messiah ben David be a god too?

Im not confused about what Christians believe how the end of days takes place....i am a Christian.....im confused about what Judaism sees or how they interpret the scriptures of the messiah they await and the day of the lord (yhwh)

 

[cupid dave]

Oh cool. Time prophecies.

1) Could you please explain why solar years make more sense than other alternatives such as a lunar calendar (which Jews actually use) or some other alternative like the "prophetic year"?

2) Then fold in the references to "1260" from sources in the Tenakh and Revelation.

3) And Daniel's reference to 2300 days and something having to do with 1335 days.

4) Oh yes, and the one about 42 months.

5) Oops...also 69 and 70 weeks.
Sorry, I forget Daniel was a little busy on this subject.

6) And Revelation's references to "three and a half" days.

I probably missed a couple more prophecies about time, but it's been a while since I tried to do this off the top of my head, sorry.

7) And have all those point to 1980A.D. in some fashion.

The thing about time prophecies is if you start with the wrong assumptions, you end up with answers that are off. GIGO.

But how can you tell if the assumptions are right or wrong?

I suggest this for consideration: If you can make a pattern out of many time prophecies across scripture and it hangs together in a neat little pattern, probably you're on the right track.

If you can only get one prophecy to point to a particular time and the rest don't, it's probably time to head back to the drawing board and try some different assumptions.

1) The Moon Calendar of the Jews was essentially the same as our Solar Calendar as far as keeping the same number of years.

The Hebrew Calendar adds a 13th month every seven years or so to compensate for the 5 missing days in their 360 day moon calendar.

2)-4) These other numbers are also important of course.
If they were not, they would not be found in the bible.

42 months is 1260 days of course, and perhaps just a technical and artistic way of saying the same idea in most cases.

42X30 = 1260


3) the 1335 days is 45 years after the 1290 years Daniel mentioned:

Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, (70 AD), and the abomination (of the Mosque of Omar) that maketh desolate (the holiest of the Holy Place be) set up (in 690 AD), there shall be (1290 years), a thousand two hundred and ninety days, (until Jews, 1980 AD, again are in possession of the Capital, Jerusalem).

Dan. 12:12 Blessed is he, (1290 years following the 690 AD construction of the Dome of the Rock, that is: 1290 + 690 = 1980 AD), that waiteth (45 more years), and cometh to (the end), the thousand, three hundred and five and thirty days, (2K25 AD).

Dan. 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days, (as these prophecies of yours will come true).


Hence the end is to come in 2025AD, (1980 +45), meaning this present problem over Statehood and the right of Israel to exist, all tied into the appearance of the King, the lion of Judah who opens the book, (Rev 5:1-6).


6)-2) 3.5 "days" = 3.5 "years" in some passages:

Rev. 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues (of the Jewish dispersion, from the time of the abomination of the Dome of the Rock in 688AD until 1948, i.e., 1260 years) among them, (during the Diaspora), and nations (both) shall see their dead bodies (in Concentration Camps) three days (of years) and an half, (1942-1945), and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves (but disposed of in the Crematoriums).

 

[LoAmmi]

Why does elijah need to prepare the way for a man?

Why not? What difference does it make?

 

[cupid dave]

1) for me....just because enoch and elijah were to come back after being alive in heaven for so long does not make them gods or immortal......

they could have simply been sustain by the power of god or have access to the tree of life ....when they return and finish their prophecing they are going to be killed by the beast out of the bottomless pit....then resurrected

1) Enoch was "translated," not ascended into heaven.
This seems to be a different concept especially because it is part of a genealogy that can be understood today, in this Age, as a list of the 22 species in our evolution from the missing link to modern man, or the emergence of the three racial stocks which the bible calls Ham, Japheth, and Shem.

Gen. 5:32 And Noah, (an archaic type of Homo sapiens' forebearer), was five hundred (thousand) years old: and Noah begat (three racial stocks of Modern Homo sapiens); Shem, (Mongolian), Ham, (Negroid), and Japheth, (Caucasian).



This argument is based on the scriptures which say Adam was a speies, not individual person:

Gen 5:2 Male and female created he THEM; and blessed THEM, and called THEIR name "Adam," (a species or kind) in the day when THEY were created.



2) Enoch did not and is not in scritpure said to return, is he?
And where is your scripture for the beast killing Elijah?

3) According to the Dictionary, the concept of a God in Roman and Greek classical iterature is evidence of his immortality.
For Elijah to never die, yet return 800 year later seems a RATIONAL confirmation of his divinity.