The guilt-offering there is for a very specific case. The text even points out that that offering is not to be performed the same way as other guilt-offerings. I will not use a specific instance as a general rule.
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The guilt-offering there is for a very specific case. The text even points out that that offering is not to be performed the same way as other guilt-offerings. I will not use a specific instance as a general rule.
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A guilt offering is an offering to atone for sins of stealing things from the altar, for when you are not sure whether you have committed a sin or what sin you have committed, or for breach of trust. The Hebrew word for a guilt offering is asham. When there was doubt as to whether a person committed a sin, the person would make an asham, rather than a chatat, because bringing a chatat would constitute admission of the sin, and the person would have to be punished for it. If a person brought an asham and later discovered that he had in fact committed the sin, he would have to bring a chatat at that time. An asham was eaten by the kohanimhttp://www.jewfaq.org/defs/kohein.htm.
A guilt offering is an offering to atone for sins of stealing things from the altar, for when you are not sure whether you have committed a sin or what sin you have committed, or for breach of trust. The Hebrew word for a guilt offering is asham. When there was doubt as to whether a person committed a sin, the person would make an asham, rather than a chatat, because bringing a chatat would constitute admission of the sin, and the person would have to be punished for it. If a person brought an asham and later discovered that he had in fact committed the sin, he would have to bring a chatat at that time. An asham was eaten by the kohanimhttp://www.jewfaq.org/defs/kohein.htm.
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I'm getting confused. The priests clearly made sacrifice for israel as a whole and on an individual basis. As christians, we also view the Lord as the priest before the Father. He intercedes for us. As priests did, the Lord makes atonement for us.
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You are filtering Judaism through the prism of Christianity. It works for you; it does not work for me.
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To put it a different way. You are saying that there is one and only one way. However, a careful study of the Tanakh shows that there are multiple ways to be forgiven. Sacrifice is one of them. Nowhere have I said it is not. However, it is not the only one.
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Yeah, but there's this problem in that Jesus actually said John WAS Eiljah:
Where is the common sense in "Let the dead bury their dead."
And yet Jesus said that too.
And it did mean something worthwhile.
The Bible does not always speak in the most straightforward common sense language. At times it seems to speak in a code. Those reading it with spiritual eyes can understand it. Those reading it in a wholly worldly fashion seem to miss out sometimes.
The vast majority of people who heard Jesus had functional eyes and ears. How could they "see not" and "hear not"?
And Melchizedek.
I haven't seen any reason to think the 2 witnesses in Revelation are Enoch and Elijah. They could be be. But they could just as well be someone else.
If your rationale is that they are the only 2 Biblical figures that were taken to heaven, then it seems you have a problem on your hands because there are 3 such figures?
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Yeah, but there's this problem in that Jesus actually said John WAS Eiljah:
Where is the common sense in "Let the dead bury their dead."
And yet Jesus said that too.
And it did mean something worthwhile.
The Bible does not always speak in the most straightforward common sense language. At times it seems to speak in a code. Those reading it with spiritual eyes can understand it. Those reading it in a wholly worldly fashion seem to miss out sometimes.
The vast majority of people who heard Jesus had functional eyes and ears. How could they "see not" and "hear not"?
And Melchizedek.
I haven't seen any reason to think the 2 witnesses in Revelation are Enoch and Elijah. They could be be. But they could just as well be someone else.
If your rationale is that they are the only 2 Biblical figures that were taken to heaven, then it seems you have a problem on your hands because there are 3 such figures?
jesus said john was elijah.....so you believe john was elijah?....are you saying that jesus may not be the promised messiah?....or that the day of the lord is fulfilled?
okay so where does it say melchisadec was taken to heaven and is before God now?....peace
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Uh...being a military history buff, it was a battle during the U.S. Civil War?
Seriously, I hope someone more knowledgeable about this will answer.
lol.....well i found this....
Jacob said: “The scepter will not turn aside from Judah, neither the commander’s staff from between his feet, until Shiloh comes; and to him the obedience of the peoples will belong.” (Ge 49:10)
Beginning with the rule of the Judean David, This was to continue until the coming of Shiloh, indicating that the royal line of Judah would terminate in Shiloh as the permanent heir. Jesus Christ is the only descendant of David to whom kingship was promised. Before the birth of Jesus, the angel Gabriel said to Mary: “Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom.” (Lu 1:32, 33) Therefore, Shiloh must be Jesus Christ, “the Lion that is of the tribe of Judah.”—Rev 5:5; compare Isa 11:10; Romans 15:12.
name “Shiloh” is understood to signify “He Whose It Is; He to Whom It Belongs.”
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22“Joseph is a fruitful bough,
A fruitful bough by a spring;
Its branches run over a wall.
23“The archers bitterly attacked him,
And shot at him and harassed him;
24But his bow remained firm,
And his arms were agile,
From the hands of the Mighty One of Jacob
(From there is the Shepherd, the Stone of Israel),
To further support this idea that the second coming of Christ will be in a body from Joseph, recall again that Gen 49:1 states these verses are about the latter, or last days. Also recall the story about how Joseph had a dream where his brothers sheaf fields were bowing down to his.
22“Joseph is a fruitful bough,
A fruitful bough by a spring;
Its branches run over a wall.
23“The archers bitterly attacked him,
And shot at him and harassed him;
24But his bow remained firm,
And his arms were agile,
From the hands of the Mighty One of Jacob
(From there is the Shepherd, the Stone of Israel),
To further support this idea that the second coming of Christ will be in a body from Joseph, recall again that Gen 49:1 states these verses are about the latter, or last days. Also recall the story about how Joseph had a dream where his brothers sheaf fields were bowing down to his.
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If anyone says that Jesus taught that john the baptist was the real elijah promised is a liar.....for if Jesus had taught that.....then that would make him a false prophet in the eyes of his followers....and the children of Israel......he did not teach that.....for the real elijah is still yet to come.....before the day of the lord Jesus......just as the prophets teach.....any true Christian should know this to be true.....peace
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Joseph is not Jesus....if anyone comes in the future claiming to be Jesus...we must reject him...and see him as a false prophet....that is if you are a true Christian.....no other will do....i don't know any Christian that believe this lie of joseph coming as Jesus ...it is what it is ...a lie...
Rev 1:12-18
when Jesus does come.....all will see him as he is...a god.....similar to what john saw.....when Jesus gave him the revelation ....
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the jews are still awaiting Elijah.
Elijah must come first.
The jews have an ancient tradition called the seven miracles.
The jews look for at least seven miracles which will convince them he is
the Elijah who never died, and had no mother or father and went up into heaven without dying.
They expect their Elijah will appear at one of the mandatory passovers where he will answer a special question concerning what they call the 5th cup.
Their tradition of four blessing when each person drinks wine is thought to also require a fifth cup that would be passed around and sipped.
But they were never sure.
So they await await the miracle worker Elijah to appear and tell yhem whether the 5th cup of wine should be drank.
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hmmmmmm...
Then who is this...
Revelation 19:10And I fell at his feet to worship him.
And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
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the jews are still awaiting Elijah.
Elijah must come first.
The jews have an ancient tradition called the seven miracles.
The jews look for at least seven miracles which will convince them he is
the Elijah who never died, and had no mother or father and went up into heaven without dying.
They expect their Elijah will appear at one of the mandatory passovers where he will answer a special question concerning what they call the 5th cup.
Their tradition of four blessing when each person drinks wine is thought to also require a fifth cup that would be passed around and sipped.
But they were never sure.
So they await await the miracle worker Elijah to appear and tell yhem whether the 5th cup of wine should be drank.
interesting...elijah will truly come and enoch with him......
but i think the possiblity of at least 2 false elijahs may come before then not 100% sure though....i can be wrong here
i know for sure of at least one false elijah is to come....he is the false prophet spoken of in revelation....
does israels awaited messiah need elijah to come before him?.....or does elijah come before YHWH and the day of the lord?...i think the latter....
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