Staff and Member discussion thread.

[Yahudim]

I feel another celebration coming on.​

 

[Gxg (G²)]

"Anything Torah" should be Torah discussions among those who ARE Torah observant, not debates about why or how much.
When created it was meant to be a safe house for the Torah Observant because having threads, meant to discuss nuances and issues regarding the what how when etc of Torah, always devolved into defending why has been a long standing issue.

There should be no debate re: Torah observance - should shouldn't who..., period.

IDEA!!
We used to have a Debate sub-forum and maybe it is time to do it again. **Marquis of Queensberry Rules** y'all! That might be a place for Messianics of all levels to hash out ideas, opinions and concepts IF they wanted, the main forum and the other sub-forums could be kept peaceable. If a thread in those forums moved into debate the mod could ask the OP if they wanted it moved to the Debate or Midrash forum, if not it could be closed or a Mod Hat warning posted.

b'Shalom {iPod touch w/CF app}

That seems to be something worth endorsing.

If I could add to that, I would think it'd be a blessing for all saying they're involved in the MJish movement to state where it is that they attend...the name of their fellowship/the teachings they have available since one can often get a good understanding of where one is at based on the type of MJish fellowship they roll with...and others may not be as quick to assume what others do or don't hold to when only seeing what they may say on screen. You are the company you keep, as the old saying goes And people who post are far more complex than words behind screens, seeing how easy it is to assume that others are only one way simply because of a phrase they may use which can be used differently depending on the context.


In some places, whenever debate went down, it'd be required to say where others were from as a sort of "Bio" (or something akin to NFL Player Stats ). For many, it has helped to see when others said they went to a conference of a specific type since others whom they debate with may've experienced the same and would have assumed in debate that the other side had no connection with them....

 

[Tishri1]

Such a perfect post thank you Daryl for the wisdom of sharing this

From the experience I had in the now still divided SDA forums, I know how you feel, as we went through similar struggles there.

A post that I just read there reminded me of this thread here. Here is the quote of that post below:

Unfortunately, that didn't keep the SDA forum from being split into two forums. They didn't listen there, however, I hope you won't make the same mistake here.

 

[anisavta]

This is very good! What do the rest of you think ?

Yes, I agree. I don't think saying no debating the Torah as that is what we live for, there is always more to learn and glean from those words.

I think it should be worded somethiung like this. Messianic Judaism honors the Torah (the instructions of G-d). Debate is allowed among members that believe that although keeping the Torah is not for salvation, it is something that both some Jews and Gentiles choose to follow out of love and respect for G-d. We do not believe that Yeshua/Jesus did away with any part of it but (Matt 5:18), but believe that he completed the payment required for disobeying it.

I agree. Good job Lulav. If it is done right - a good debate is good for the soul.
Now perhaps we can set guidelines for how to debate. What's accepted and what is not.

 

[Tishri1]

Wow, 2.39am Saturday and the forum isn't locked! Must be Shabbat

Shabbat shalom!

 

[Gxg (G²)]

This is the way I view it; Yeshua centered, Jewish focus.

Right there with ya

 

[Yahudim]

Shabbat shalom!

Shabbat Shalom!

 

[anisavta]

I've got about one more hour and then I'm on read only status!

 

[Tishri1]

Actually the anything Torah forum could be a safe haven to bring mod hatted threads for a do over...to stop debate and get the discussion back to a healthy one

"Anything Torah" should be Torah discussions among those who ARE Torah observant, not debates about why or how much.
When created it was meant to be a safe house for the Torah Observant because having threads, meant to discuss nuances and issues regarding the what how when etc of Torah, always devolved into defending why has been a long standing issue.

There should be no debate re: Torah observance - should shouldn't who..., period.

IDEA!!
We used to have a Debate sub-forum and maybe it is time to do it again. **Marquis of Queensberry Rules** y'all! That might be a place for Messianics of all levels to hash out ideas, opinions and concepts IF they wanted, the main forum and the other sub-forums could be kept peaceable. If a thread in those forums moved into debate the mod could ask the OP if they wanted it moved to the Debate or Midrash forum, if not it could be closed or a Mod Hat warning posted.

b'Shalom {iPod touch w/CF app}

 

[Tishri1]

Thanks you brother Daryl,
I have reconsidered the issue and I think the rest of us have too. Now if all those that don't believe exactly like me will just be still and listen.

Just kidding!

Lol

 

[Tishri1]

Great idea, as long as the OP gets to determine if it devolves into debate.

Wheeeeeel I don't think we should open that can of worms, seeing how carried away it can get in here

 

[anisavta]

We used to have a Debate sub-forum and maybe it is time to do it again. **Marquis of Queensberry Rules** y'all! That might be a place for Messianics of all levels to hash out ideas, opinions and concepts IF they wanted, the main forum and the other sub-forums could be kept peaceable. If a thread in those forums moved into debate the mod could ask the OP if they wanted it moved to the Debate or Midrash forum, if not it could be closed or a Mod Hat warning posted.

Oooooo I like! That way it wouldn't necessarily be axed, just moved so it wouldn't disrupt the more "tranquil" atmosphere in the general forum.

 

[Tishri1]

Who knows if perhaps there'd be an online way of greeting each other with a Holy Kiss

 

[Tishri1]

I wonder if a book club thread would work...maybe Messianic Mommy will manage it for us

"Boundaries" is an excellent book and one that really blessed me when I read it back in the day. WOuld be good to connect everyone together if they were able to do something like what you suggested---although that'd be more in line with the "fellowship" dynamic. Still, it'd bring people together since it seems that people are better able to understand others and interact when they find that they can relate to one another in other areas of everyday life...and indeed, alot of the friction is due more so to rules of interaction more/not understanding personality or cultural differences (including experiences that may influence others to interpret events a certain way).

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Holy Kisses to you as well, sis...and to everyone else as well who's comfortable (as I know alot of guys can still be weirded out by it). Had it happen to me one time when I was introduced to the leader of a homeless ministry I did work at..

Big dude/ex con who was pretty intimidating....And when he tried to greet me with a kiss, I backed up since I didn't know what to do--till he put me in check and said "Bro, I'm commanded by God to do this. Don't trip ."

Really made me rethink some things culturally, as it was a way of blessing..and it didn't say to do so only when you're in agreement with someone--but for all believers. I think the same ideology applies today, as it concerns praying before posting and not choosing to walk away from a conversation thinking the worst of someone in refusal to either pray for them, bless them or lift them up

 

[Tishri1]

I feel another celebration coming on.​

Perfect time, it's Shabbat!
YouTube - Ted Pearce - Am Chad Adonai Echad One People One God

 

[anisavta]

I really like the book club idea too.

To tack on one more thought to the debate forum idea. Should it be MJ only so it doesn't turn into GT part too? That way only those willing to accept the SOP will be allowed to debate.
OK off to eat our shabbat dinner. Baked lemon/rosemary chicken, wild and brown rice and lima beans. BFN!

 

[Tishri1]

I go here
Baruch Haba! Welcome! : Kehilat Ariel Messianic Synagogue

That seems to be something worth endorsing.

If I could add to that, I would think it'd be a blessing for all saying they're involved in the MJish movement to state where it is that they attend...the name of their fellowship/the teachings they have available since one can often get a good understanding of where one is at based on the type of MJish fellowship they roll with...and others may not be as quick to assume what others do or don't hold to when only seeing what they may say on screen. You are the company you keep, as the old saying goes And people who post are far more complex than words behind screens, seeing how easy it is to assume that others are only one way simply because of a phrase they may use which can be used differently depending on the context.


In some places, whenever debate went down, it'd be required to say where others were from as a sort of "Bio" (or something akin to NFL Player Stats ). For many, it has helped to see when others said they went to a conference of a specific type since others whom they debate with may've experienced the same and would have assumed in debate that the other side had no connection with them....

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I wonder if a book club thread would work...maybe Messianic Mommy will manage it for us

She and I have talked a couple of times on the issue as it concerns having conversations on that (as well as other things like a Sports club, Dance Club, etc) and seeing what all of us are like when debates are not in view. The same people that may argue against one another, if together in person, would possibly end up sitting down watching Disney movies like "Beauty and the Beast" or "Tangled" or action films from the 90s like "True Lies" and "Eraser" or musicals like "Fiddler on the Roof"/"West Side Story" and "The Sound of Music" when they have the chance...

If a book club got started, I think it'd be cool to engage in...but I think it should be open to others who are supportative of MJism (or at least not trying to do as many in GT do and go to war against it). Although I'm not against others that are Non-Messianic joining in since it doesn't seem right to be exclusive/only interact with MJish folks on everyday life issues, I do think it'd make a difference knowing that interaction wouldn't allow for things to be said or done against the SOP...and thus, those outside of MJism would need to keep that in mind

 

[Tishri1]

I agree. Good job Lulav. If it is done right - a good debate is good for the soul.
Now perhaps we can set guidelines for how to debate. What's accepted and what is not.

Yes please take a shot a drawing something up