Why do other Christians hate Calvinist so much?

[Skala]

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Ahh, I see. God doesn't save everyone because He doesn't want to. Thanks, I think I understand now.

Is it not true that God can do whatever he wants to do?

 

[Skala]

it is not contradictory to say that God will draw all men Jesus didn't say at that time I have drawn all men , But He said I WILL draw all men. so either Jesus didn't say what He said or Your understanding of when Jesus said I will draw all men, is a misunderstanding, are you saying that the ones that God blinded, that He won't open theirs eyes again and draw them to Him Through Christ Jesus, and to say that He won't draw all men is unbibical, for 1 John 2 says that He died for the Whole world, so John being one of the elect said that He didn't just die for our sins, but for the sins of the whole world, but a calvinist can't say this. for limited atonement won't allow such a teaching, even though it is taught plainly from scriptures.

So everyone will be saved? Since Christ died for the sins of the whole world?

 

[Skala]

so are you saying that not all have sinned, since the fall of man into the sin nature through Adam's sin? are you saying that the elect aren't borned with a sin nature, for the Bible says in several places that all men have sinned and because through one man( Adam ) sin enter into the world, but through the righteous of one Man (Jesus Christ) that many may be redeemed,

I really wonder what I ever said in my text that implied any of this.

so ask a calvinist why we should preach the Gospel. if the elect are already in, their response will be that we don't know who the elect or the nonelect is, so we still must preach, so even the non elect will Hear the gospel, but will not receive the gospel thus they will perish and not be saved but those that will receive the truth shall be saved,

We preach the gospel for these reasons:

1) Christ commanded us to. Even if it made no sense to us and not a single person would be saved because of our efforts, Christ commanded it, therefore we do it. We don't need a "reason" to do it. Why don't need to say "Why should we if such-and-such is true?" He commanded it. So we do it.

2) We preach the gospel because we have the same attitude Paul had. He said "I endure everything for the sake of elect, that they may be saved" (2 Tim 2:10) I really wonder how this verse fits into your soteriology.

3) It's our job to plant the seed, but it's God's job to give the increase. Through our efforts God visits sinners with salvation and converts them and changes them and brings them to faith and repentance. The gospel is the means, the tool that God has decided to use to make this happen

so now let's cover your theory here God hath shut up the ears and blinded those that will perish because they are not the elect. so this is the same God that says He is Holy, that He is righteous and that He is just and He even instructs His children to deal with just scales when dealing with people, but this is the same God that allowed sin to pass on all through the sin of one man, but won't let all have a choice or even an option to be redeemed from that sin!

If all men deserve hell, and God owes salvation to nobody, what injustice is there if God decided to save zero people? Or one person? Or some people but not all?

There's no injustice on God's part for saving some and not others. For he says clearly "I will have mercy on whom I will, and I will harden whom I will"

yeah yeah God will have mercy on whom He will have mercy, so if God said before time begin I will have mercy on all that chooses Life over death, who are you or anybody else, to say that He can't do it that way?

I didn't say He couldn't do it any certain way. I'm saying He did it the way the Bible says he said it.

 

[Skala]

but that wouldn't be their doing, thats just God they don't have a choice in the matter what they do, what they say, what they think........talk about a religion that has absolutely no responsibility, actually from their viewpoint God just made me say this

How much straw did you use to create that big ole strawman?

 

[Robs07M6S]

You have no idea what hell is like, you would not even make that statement if you did. hind sight is 20/20 everyone will wish they did things differently, everyones knee will bow in the sight of Jesus, everyone will be calling Him "Lord Lord" to say people will prefer to be in hell rather than worship the Lord is and will be one of the most unbiblical statements I've heard this new year. You can't even imagine what its like to have worms crawling through your body, and to say they would trade that, for the mere option of not worshiping God............no idea no idea whatsoever!

Way to completely miss the point, just as I thought you would do. Hell doesnt make the lost sinner repentent in the least bit for those in Hell are cursing and making all sorts of profanitys against their creator who is the one that put them there for their rebellion in the first place.

 

[cimbk]

Does he actually believe this or is he trying to make a point? Does Paul Washer actually believe God will give people in Hell a 2nd chance? Certainly not. I think he is just trying to make a point.

Besides, I think there would be a problem if you DID agree with everything Paul Washer said.

You can't take one thing that someone says that you disagree with and write the person off. If that was the case, you wouldn't be able sit under a Pastor. I'm a big fan of Spurgeon, MacArthur, Washer, Ravenhill, etc. There are some things they all say that I do not agree with but I do not break fellowship.

Just something to consider.

this is very true, but I have heard Arnold Murray preach some good bible based sermons to, and knowing how this sort of thing works, Its the 90% of truth that leads to the 10% of the lie, I'm not saying that any of these folks are working for satan, but that has been a trademark of his since the garden of Eden, "did God really say that?"........I find if I know someone has slipped into the ditch of unsound doctrine at one point, why would I risk allowing him to lead me down another. Thats what the Holy Spirits job is to do "Lead me into all truth" and to be honest its not easy letting go leadership you put alot of stock into. this is actually the apathy of the church, how much false doctrine are people willing to allow before they leave. you yourself mentioned a sorted list of men who have some truth, but you acknowledge they in your opinion have some error, how much error does one need to present before they leave, this is the question for the church today, because when I look around, the church is really willing to tolerate quite abit, one needs to look no farther then the first failed model Catholicism, how many good and godly people are enduring that house of idolatry

 

[Hammster]

but that wouldn't be their doing, thats just God they don't have a choice in the matter what they do, what they say, what they think........talk about a religion that has absolutely no responsibility, actually from their viewpoint God just made me say this

Good counter-point.

 

[cimbk]

Way to completely miss the point, just as I thought you would do. Hell doesnt make the lost sinner repentent in the least bit for those in Hell are cursing and making all sorts of profanitys against their creator who is the one that put them there for their rebellion in the first place.

yeah its one big party down there!......they're all so happy to be eternally separated from God..........If their so happy to be where there at, then what do you suppose all the cursing and swearing is about (of course this is your own rendition of what hell is like) they didn't have all the bud light they thought they would?

 

[RisingSpirit]

Why do other Christians hate Calvinist so much?

Cause the Calvinist knows God is the BOSS and not instruct Him to do something to please them

 

[RisingSpirit]

I know it just sucks I hate telling people were I stand on this because I know what will follow as soon as I do. I am scared to say I am a Calvinist because of all the hate and negativity attached to it. But I feel in my heart it is the truth I just hate being judged before I ever get a chance to explain. =[

Are you a Particular Baptist?

 

[greatdivide46]

Is it not true that God can do whatever he wants to do?

Yes, that's true. So that must mean the lost are lost not because God can't save them because He can do whatever he wants to do. Therefore, it must mean that the lost are lost because God doesn't want to save them. Unless there's another possibility that I haven't thought of.

 

[Osage Bluestem]

Yes, that's true. So that must mean the lost are lost not because God can't save them because He can do whatever he wants to do. Therefore, it must mean that the lost are lost because God doesn't want to save them. Unless there's another possibility that I haven't thought of.

That's true. God doesn't want to save them because their salvation is not included in his purpose. Their damnation serves a better purpose.

 

[Skala]

Yes, that's true. So that must mean the lost are lost not because God can't save them because He can do whatever he wants to do. Therefore, it must mean that the lost are lost because God doesn't want to save them. Unless there's another possibility that I haven't thought of.

Good point. I think the Bible is clear that God's glory is served by the final fate of people. His mercy is glorified by the saved. His justice and wrath is glorified by the damned.

This is all in Romans chapter 9 of course.

I think the Bible teaches that God created the universe to manifest his glory. Not just some of his attributes, but all of them. If God saved nobody (which He would be just to do) his mercy would not be glorified. If God saved everybody (which again, He could do justly) his wrath and justice against sin would not be glorified. Hence he makes "Some vessels for mercy, others for destruction"

 

[VCViking]

Friend are you not aware that we are in the last days, did not the apostle Peter make known that the fulfilment of the Prophet Joel was taking place at pentecost, "your sons and daughters shall prophecy, Your young men shall see visions, your old men shall dream dreams"..............now then do you think we are closer to the end today than when this was prophecy began to be fulfilled two thousand years ago, you should read it for yourself the outpouring of God's Holy Spirit only ends when he comes (see Joel 2:28-32).............Oh and lets not forget what Joel also said "Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved"

It depends what your view of Eschatology is. Therefore I disagree with you.

Preview of the Second Coming, Part 2

 

[VCViking]

Why do other Christians hate Calvinist so much?

From seeing the comments here by certain people, not all, but some, it appears they have so much hatred because they are confused, ignorant, and delusional, thereby producing hatred in their hearts. This only pertains to those that hate Calvinism, no to those who just disagree.

 

[German Guy]

Salvation should be the main point, There is only way to it. The only way to the Father is through the Son. There is no salvation any other way. Not with Calvanism, catholosism, baptistism, or my words or yours.

 

[cimbk]

It depends what your view of Eschatology is. Therefore I disagree with you.

Preview of the Second Coming, Part 2

Is it your view Christ has already returned, or the visions and dreams happen after He returns.......seems it can be one or the other

 

[Hammster]

Salvation should be the main point, There is only way to it. The only way to the Father is through the Son. There is no salvation any other way. Not with Calvanism, catholosism, baptistism, or my words or yours.

God's glory is the main point. Salvation is secondary to that.

 

[German Guy]

Gods glory is only relevant to the saved.

 

[Zaac]

Why are there Christians who are identifying themselves as proponents of another sinful men instead of just followers of Christ?