Aliens Created Us?

[windbreeze]

My Theory

I thought about this before i saw movie "Mission To Mars". It assumes earth was seeded by aliens and every living thing was created.

There Is A God!

Aside the movie, i just want to say that there is a God no matter what everyone tells you, be alien/s our God/s or don't believe in Holy Bible or Torah, there must be someone/something who/that created us.

One Creates Other, But What Starts The Circle?

And if government wants us to believe in aliens, must we assume they created us or everything? If yes, who created them? Do they spy on us to check how are we doing?

 

[ChristianT]

So you believe you are an ancient alien's science fair project?

 

[Faulty]

What you are talking about is known as transpermia or panspermia.

Francis Crick, co-discoverer of the DNA molecule proposed the theory of directed panspermia, which basically said that since DNA is so complex, it defies evolution, and therefore it must have been deliberately 'seeded' on earth by aliens.

Others have eventually followed the same path when evolution no longer answered their questions. In recent years, even Stephen Hawking has been suggesting the possibility of panspermia as the origin of life on the planet, for basically the same reason.

Basically, you suddenly take all the problems with evolution, and all the issues with the 'missing links' currently relied on to fill in some of the massive gaps, then push them back to a location that can neither be proved or observed, then you say, "See? You slly person, life did evolve, but just not on this planet."

A major problem of course is, where did the aliens come from?

 

[mathetes123]

My Theory

I thought about this before i saw movie "Mission To Mars". It assumes earth was seeded by aliens and every living thing was created.

There Is A God!

Aside the movie, i just want to say that there is a God no matter what everyone tells you, be alien/s our God/s or don't believe in Holy Bible or Torah, there must be someone/something who/that created us.

One Creates Other, But What Starts The Circle?

And if government wants us to believe in aliens, must we assume they created us or everything? If yes, who created them? Do they spy on us to check how are we doing?

Haven't you heard, evolution is an established fact. Everything came from nothing, from the goo through the zoo to me an you. No further discussion is necessary.

 

[Saint Caliga Glenwalgens]

God created every living thing. There is no living thing outside of Earth. Don't think about such silliness any further.

 

[elopez]

My Theory

I thought about this before i saw movie "Mission To Mars". It assumes earth was seeded by aliens and every living thing was created.

I never thought about it till that ridiculous show Ancient Aliens came on. Most of that junk has been discredited despite it's popularity I've personally noticed amongst my peers. I don't know why but every time someone brings it up, which is mainly my boss, I get rather annoyed and irritated.

There Is A God!

Aside the movie, i just want to say that there is a God no matter what everyone tells you, be alien/s our God/s or don't believe in Holy Bible or Torah, there must be someone/something who/that created us.

I too believe in God, more specifically the Christian God who is the creator of the universe, earth, and all other life.

One Creates Other, But What Starts The Circle?

And if government wants us to believe in aliens, must we assume they created us or everything? If yes, who created them? Do they spy on us to check how are we doing?

God is the Creator. If there are aliens, which doesn't even mean there are such things as little green men, God created them. Also, I am not sure the government wants us to believe that, where do you get that from?

That is the question I have always posed to my boss when he wants to mention it: If aliens created us, then who or what created them? No response has ever been given, and I don't expect there to be one.

 

[bling]

If the aliens are going to start it all why the 3 billion years of one cell animals?

 

[ChristianT]

There are most likely billions of planets in the universe. I'd almost expect that we'd end up finding primitive life forms (prokaryotes maybe) on other planets within 500-1000 years.

didn't you forget to add "billions of" after the 1?

 

[windbreeze]

God is the Creator. If there are aliens, which doesn't even mean there are such things as little green men, God created them. Also, I am not sure the government wants us to believe that, where do you get that from?

That is the question I have always posed to my boss when he wants to mention it: If aliens created us, then who or what created them? No response has ever been given, and I don't expect there to be one.

Then who created God?

I'm not an atheist, but you are most likely correct.

The sheer idea of this vast universe being completely empty is next to impossible. And it's absurd that anyone could say for sure there is no other life in this giant thing we call the universe.

We could not be the ones to dwell on earth and not access billions of other planets, could we? We fight on earth when there are billions of other planets? What if they support life or can be terraformed? Then every nation should have their own earth.

- "Welcome to the intergalactic eBay, how may i help you today"?

- "Good day. When is my order coming"?

- "Sir, since you chose free shipping, the estimated delivery time would be in the next 100 years. I suggest you put yourself into hibernation for 100 years until package arrives."

- " ... "

 

[lucaspa]

My Theory

I thought about this before i saw movie "Mission To Mars". It assumes earth was seeded by aliens and every living thing was created.

There Is A God!

Aside the movie, i just want to say that there is a God no matter what everyone tells you, be alien/s our God/s or don't believe in Holy Bible or Torah, there must be someone/something who/that created us.

Having another mortal, sentient species "create" us is not the same as there being a God. There is a belief out there called "Raelianism" where a sentient species on a planet orbiting Sirius makes the first humans in a gene engineering lab. You would not consider those Raelians to be "God", would you?

For Christians, the issues are not whether God created us, but how. There are many Christians who believe that God directly manufactured humans. Whether He did this by speaking in Genesis 1 or from dust in Genesis 2, the idea is that there is no connection between humans and any other species on the planet. The idea is that at one point, there wasn't H. sapiens, then God did something directly, and in a short time (or "poof"), there was H. sapiens (or at least a single male member of it).

God's Creation, OTOH, says that God created us by the processes we call "evolution". God did not directly manufacture us, but rather natural selection and the other processes are the direct creator. God sustains all "natural" processes.

And if government wants us to believe in aliens, must we assume they created us or everything?

Of course not. That is a non-sequitor in logic. There can be sentient species on other planets, but humans still arose by evolution. The aliens also arose by evolution from previous species on their planets.

 

[lucaspa]

Then who created God?

We don't know the origin of God. Questions come in levels. When we answer one question (particularly in science), 3 or 4 new questions always pop up out of the answer. Not knowing the answer to those new questions does not affect the answer to the first one.

For instance, what was the origin of the universe? Answer: the Big Bang.
New question: what was the origin of the Big Bang? Answer: We don't know. Would you use the new question to deny the Big Bang?

We could not be the ones to dwell on earth and not access billions of other planets, could we? We fight on earth when there are billions of other planets? What if they support life or can be terraformed? Then every nation should have their own earth.

By your logic, why wouldn't we fight even if every nation had its own planet? C'mon, we fight even tho the nations have their own geographical areas. Why think something would change if the geographical areas were planets instead of parts of a single planet?

What seekingagnostic was saying is the question posed in the move Contact: With billions of stars and billions of planets, if our planet is the only one with life, then that is a lot of wasted space. Why would God create life only on earth?

I don't see how life on other planets of other solar systems threatens theism in general of even Christianity in particular. In fact, if some of these alien species had Christs of their own species, that would strongly support Christianity.

 

[lucaspa]

Haven't you heard, evolution is an established fact. Everything came from nothing, from the goo through the zoo to me an you. No further discussion is necessary.

And why do you not think God created this way? This is just as much God creating as speaking humans into existence in Genesis 1.

So yes, God created the universe by the Big Bang. He created galaxies, stars, and planets by gravity. He created life by chemistry. And He created the diversity of life (including H. sapiens from H. ergastor) by evolution.

 

[ChristianT]

How can chemicals create feelings? What is the chemical formula for guilt? shame? pride? integrity? morality? honesty? If all we are is atoms and a great random assembly of carbon and hydrogen (plus all the other elements that make our physical body), why do we have ideas? what is the evolutionary / benefit of having, perceiving, sharing, and correctness of ideas?

Note, these questions are only directed at a universe whose origin is:

randomness, chance

and its guidance is:

more chance, random laws of nature, and a whole lot of time

Peace

 

[omanid]

"Aliens" is another name for God.

 

[razeontherock]

Then who created God?

This question shows that you're not considering the word you're using here. Part of His definition is uncreated, eternal.

 

[lucaspa]

Why is that leap of logic necessary, when one can claim the universe is eternal?

You can't claim that. At least, you can't claim that without throwing science under the bus. And, if you throw science under the bus, then there goes evolution and any answer to the Argument from Design.

The evidence is very clear: our universe had a beginning at the Big Bang. It is not "eternal" in that it did not exist forever. What you are doing is repeating Aristotle's argument. His view was that either the universe had a beginning (and thus there was deity as creator) or the universe was eternal and didn't need a deity as a creator. Some atheists -- and it appears you are one of them -- seem to think this is the only way to be an atheist: have an eternal universe. Unfortunately for you, you then end up, like creationists, having to say that a well-established and supported scientific theory is wrong.

 

[lucaspa]

How can chemicals create feelings? What is the chemical formula for guilt? shame? pride? integrity? morality? honesty? If all we are is atoms and a great random assembly of carbon and hydrogen (plus all the other elements that make our physical body), why do we have ideas? what is the evolutionary / benefit of having, perceiving, sharing, and correctness of ideas?

We already know that administration of some chemicals -- such as serotonin -- change and create feelings. Serotonin creates feelings of calm and well being. So yes, we have a material brain and the material chemical reactions and neural connections within that brain causes feelings and thoughts.

For a social species with few natural defenses (claws, size, fangs, etc.) having, perceiving, sharing, and the correctness of ideas leads to survival. Having the idea to turn a stick into a weapon helps defend against predators (and our hominid ancestors were prey). Communicating that idea to others in your group means that all of you now have the weapon and the ability to defend yourselves increases. That the idea that using a weapon to defend yourself is correct obviously enhances survival.

Note, these questions are only directed at a universe whose origin is:

randomness, chance

and its guidance is:

more chance, random laws of nature, and a whole lot of time

Peace

You have a misconception about the nature of the universe here. The processes within the universe are not either random or chance. For instance, gravity is not random. It is always attractive. Chemistry and chemical reactions are not either random or chance. When you react oxygen and hydrogen, you always get H2O. Never H3O, HO2, H3O2, or any other combination.

In natural selection, "random" refers only the relationship of variations to the needs of the individual or population. In a climate growing warmer, just as many deer will be born with longer fur as shorter fur. The variation in length of fur is random. However, selection is the opposite of random. It is pure determinism. Only the shorter furred deer will do well in a climate that is warmer.

Bottom line, God didn't create a "random" universe. However, God did create a material universe and a complete material universe. That means that our material brain is sufficient to explain our thoughts and thinking. You can't invoke God to fill in "gaps" in the universe. That is unBiblical and unChristian.

 

[lucaspa]

staff edit

God created life by chemistry. There are chemical reactions that produce living cells.

However, there is evidence for the existence of God. God is a conclusion from evidence. The reason that God is "faith" is because not everyone shares the evidence. Evidence is personal experience. What we see, hear, taste, touch, smell, or feel emotionally. David Hume (an atheist) showed this in the late 1700s and no one has contradicted it since. Science limits itself to a subset of personal experience called "intersubjective". Intersubjective experience is experience that everyone experiences under approximately the same circumstances. Most of our lives are lived out of science and we rely on our personal experiences for evidence.

For instance, what does Brussels sprouts taste like to you? If you ask several people, you will get several different answers ranging from sweet thru bland to bitter to (me) underscribable but causes me vomit. The personal experience is not shared under approximately the same circumstances. If your experience is that Brussels sprouts taste sweet, are you wrong? According to me, you are. But that is based on my personal experience.

People have personal experience of deity. That is the evidence. Some of that personal experience has been written down and is considered "scripture". For instance, the personal experience of Thomas sticking his hands in the wounds of the risen Jesus is evidence. BUT, you and I can't do that, so it is not intersubjective evidence.

Bottom line, what we have is evidence that you choose to reject. It is intellectually dishonest to demand "evidence" that you have already decided to reject.

 

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[windbreeze]

We already know that administration of some chemicals -- such as serotonin -- change and create feelings. Serotonin creates feelings of calm and well being. So yes, we have a material brain and the material chemical reactions and neural connections within that brain causes feelings and thoughts.

Yeah i heard this. Let's take for example a person with depression that experiences fluctuations in his mood. Does that mean that person cannot control his brain that injects different chemicals which result in these mood fluctuations?

I also am curious about apes and dinosaurs that scientists claim we became from. There was program on TV showing how ancient dinosaur's remains were found.

What do you think of this?