Does God forgive murder but not divorce

[exitstageright]

Just for the record:
I'm single,never been married and not seeking to divorce anyone

That reminds me of a doctor I know that has never been married. His logic was,that if he never gets married,he will never have to get a divorce. He said that he never wants to get a divorce.

I kind of have an idea where he is coming from. For example, I never will be an alcoholic,because I have never taken a drink of ANY alcoholic beverage,and I am 57 years old.

 

[Seeking His Face]

God forgives ALL sins, except blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

 

[DYOLF]

Jesus said if you have an issue with someone talk to him.
If he doesn't listen have a witness.
If he still does not change bring him be fore the church and he will be excommunicated,treat him like an unbeliever.(there are serious consequences for this to the unrepentant)
In Corinthians Paul says if we have an unbelieving spouse we are free to move on because God has called us to liberty.If that person has been excommunicated I'm sure the divorce is biblical.

 

[Seeking His Face]

Paul NEVER said that divorcing an unbelieving spouse is ok. He said that if your spouse divorces you, you should let the spouse move on, but if you choose to initiate the divorce, that is WRONG. We are to let the unbelieving spouse depart, but if our spouse is an unbeliever, yet is pleased to dwell with us, we are not to seek to be divorced. Basically, the unbelieving spouse is free to divorce us, because for her, it is not a sin, because she is not a Christian and doesn't know that divorce is wrong. But if you want to be divorced from your unbelieving spouse, even though she loves you and is pleased to dwell with you, then that is a sin, because you know that it is against God's will. Read 1 Corinthians 7:12-16

P.S. Treating someone like an unbeliever does not make that person an unbeliever, for the purposes of divorce. It sounds like you are contriving some kind of excuse for being able to divorce your wife without your church condemning it. Always remember Jesus' teaching about the ONLY reason a believer may divorce his/her spouse, which is fornication. Also read Matthew 5:31-32 and Mark 10:1-12

 

[DYOLF]

The point above is, it's unlikely the spouse just woke up threatening to kill you.It was likely to be an escalation of disagreements that finally led to threats.You guys were once in love but something happened.While threats are not good,at one point before the threats you would have talked to your Pastor or Elders in church about this.They would have listened to both sides and tried to solve the issues.Many problems are eliminated at this stage.If someone's heart is so hard they can't see their folly then disciplining in church or ex communication follows.Of course in this regard you are free to divorce because you are free not to remain chained to an infidel.

 

[OGM]

That reminds me of a doctor I know that has never been married. His logic was,that if he never gets married,he will never have to get a divorce. He said that he never wants to get a divorce.

I kind of have an idea where he is coming from. For example, I never will be an alcoholic,because I have never taken a drink of ANY alcoholic beverage,and I am 57 years old.

I am with you and the doctor...the prospect of being "stuck" in a bad marriage is really disturbing to me.

 

[DYOLF]

1Co 7:10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
1Co 7:11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.

 

[exitstageright]

The point above is, it's unlikely the spouse just woke up threatening to kill you.It was likely to be an escalation of disagreements that finally led to threats.You guys were once in love but something happened.While threats are not good,at one point before the threats you would have talked to your Pastor or Elders in church about this.They would have listened to both sides and tried to solve the issues.Many problems are eliminated at this stage.If someone's heart is so hard they can't see their folly then disciplining in church or ex communication follows.Of course in this regard you are free to divorce because you are free not to remain chained to an infidel.

It is ironic that you mentioned our pastor. One Sunday morning,in our Sunday School class,out pastor was giving a lecture from the Song of Solomon. C... and I are in the same Sunday School class to this day.

Our pastor said,"Romance in a marriage is from God. If ANY of you,who are married,have any issues,you may either call me or e-mail me and I will consul you." Well.....that SAME afternoon,some issue came up. I e-mailed my pastor about the issue. The next day,I received an e-mail from that same pastor saying that he will not be able to consul us.

After I divorced her. I saw my pastor at church while I was performing in my Drama Ministry. My pastor looked at me and he turned his head away from me,as he KNEW that he had let me down. The good news is that I have forgiven him for reneging on his promise of helping out a married couple with an issue.
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[DYOLF]

It is ironic that you mentioned our pastor. One Sunday morning,in our Sunday School class,out pastor was giving a lecture from the Song of Solomon. C... and I are in the same Sunday School class to this day.

Our pastor said,"Romance in a marriage is from God. If ANY of you,who are married,have any issues,you may either call me or e-mail me and I will consul you." Well.....that SAME afternoon,some issue came up. I e-mailed my pastor about the issue. The next day,I received an e-mail from that same pastor saying that he will not be able to consul us.

After I divorced her. I saw my pastor at church while I was performing in my Drama Ministry. My pastor looked at me and he turned his head away from me,as he KNEW that he had let me down. The good news is that I have forgiven him for reneging on his promise of helping out a married couple with an issue.
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I guess this is why we can't judge because we have never walked in each other's shoes

 

[MissElizabeth]

blind post (well kinda, i skimmed through quickly)

to the OP Q: divorce and murder are both sins that God hates, period. if you sin, obviously you have to repent. but what does that mean?? Acts 26:20 says,.......bring forth works meet for repentance. personally, i beleive if you have already divorced and remarried, then ( i am sure this is in the bible, but i can't put my finger on it) the hubby is to keep the wife in the original manner she is accustomed to. if they haven't remarried it is their responsibility to seek counseling or what ever is requried to get the relationship fixed. in such a situation as abuse where it is not safe, then separation is required, but without re-marrying. but there are sins of ingorance and the those of knowlege. those of knowlege take a lot more to wipe way.

but as to the pastor you mentioned, with all due respect, that woman is not suitable to be in the position she is in. if she was truly a person of God, she would not have had the amount of divorces she has had. Paul speaks of this in 1 Tim 3.

but of course, God is capable of forgiving anything!!!!

 

[Keachian]

-- Blind Post --

I might be wrong here but it seems like if you divorce your wife for anything apart from fornication then you are committing adultery.

You're misinterpreting what the passage is saying, it's saying if you marry again you commit adultery.

Does God forgive murderers and not divorcees.I know he said he hated divorce in Malachi,not sure if he mentions the same about murderers?Does anyone know or have a biblical opinion on this?

Jesus spoke just as harshly about murder before this
"Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." -- Matthew 5:21-22

Is divorce blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?
"But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation." -- Mark 3:29

 

[wayfaring man]

Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Mat 19:10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.

I might be wrong here but it seems like if you divorce your wife for anything apart from fornication then you are committing adultery.

Does God forgive murderers and not divorcees.I know he said he hated divorce in Malachi,not sure if he mentions the same about murderers?Does anyone know or have a biblical opinion on this?

Jesus said all sins but one are forgivable, yet forgiveness is given hand and hand with repentance.

...All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. <-----> Matthew 12:31

Him has God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. <-----> Acts 5:31

He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy. <-----> Proverbs 28:13

 

[AndrewZinc]

Back in my parents day divorce was very uncommon and in my Mother's home city in particular...as a little girl she remembers a couple of people that stayed until they were literally killed. One by a butcher knife and the other with a pistol unloaded in the temple. I have never been married but I personally would not stay with any whacko or nutcase. I don't want to end up in the obituary section yet!

Sometimes things can be taken a little too far and people can get hurt.

You mean we can take God's Word too far?

I absolutely agree that people should not continue to live in an abusive relationship, but if we are talking ideals, I would suggest they may have married the wrong person in the first place.

In reality, if reconcilliation (and the abusive person must realise s/he has a problem and want to solve it) is not an option, then separation or divorce are necessary.

Not sure what my position on re-marriage after that would be.

 

[Sketcher]

God will forgive a divorce, but that doesn't dissolve the marriage state between the original spouses in his eyes. Hence Jesus said that if you divorce and remarry (unless you're the victim of cheating) it's adultery.

 

[GQ Chris]

Adultery isn't the only Biblical basis for divorce. John Macarthur's got some great sermons about divorce.

 

[HeKnowsMyName]

God will forgive a divorce, but that doesn't dissolve the marriage state between the original spouses in his eyes. Hence Jesus said that if you divorce and remarry (unless you're the victim of cheating) it's adultery.

But then God forgives adultery so ...

 

[Sketcher]

But then God forgives adultery so ...

But you have to repent of it. Meaning you would have to forsake any adulterous relationship you are in. Meaning if someone leaves his spouse for another, he couldn't stay with the second woman.

 

[Sketcher]

Adultery isn't the only Biblical basis for divorce. John Macarthur's got some great sermons about divorce.

It's the only basis Jesus gave. Personally, I wouldn't mind having more options. I also wouldn't mind not having to forgive people either, and for lust not to be a sin, and not having to so much as submit to the authorities. But the reality is that God's will is higher than what I and other people would find convenient.

 

[HeKnowsMyName]

But you have to repent of it. Meaning you would have to forsake any adulterous relationship you are in. Meaning if someone leaves his spouse for another, he couldn't stay with the second woman.

Even if he is married to her?

 

[exitstageright]

It's the only basis Jesus gave. Personally, I wouldn't mind having more options. I also wouldn't mind not having to forgive people either, and for lust not to be a sin, and not having to so much as submit to the authorities. But the reality is that God's will is higher than what I and other people would find convenient.

So.... I wonder if Scott Peterson was thinking along those same lines,that one's ex has to die in order for one to remarry and to not commit adultry.

Therefore,are you saying or implying that ,as a christian,there are ONLY 3 ways to get out of a bad marriage, if one person does not get help,are Adultry,Murder, or Suicide?