The Ugly Face of Socialism

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And how much of the US debt was inherited from the Republicans?

Perhaps you didn't read what I posted. I said that in two years time Obama had increased the debt more than all the Presidents added together. Over those 200 some odd years time there were many parties--not just Dems and Repubs. There was the Bull Moose Party, Democratic-Republicans, I believe Whigs and Tories too, among others. (Actually our country was not supposed to steal our children's and grandchildren's future by leaving them with debts to pay. Our Framer's even noted that we shouldn't out spend more than we could pay back in a generation, but alas, it seems that over the years we went astray and now we *must* cut back or face dire consequences like Greece faces.)
 
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Neither is tyranny, but a lot of Socialist governments rule by it.
And many more don't. Which was my point. Or are you trying to tell me Australia and Denmark are oppressive Stalinist totalitarian regimes?
 
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Neither is tyranny, but a lot of Socialist governments rule by it.

Pretty much true of every single government on the face of the planet. This is classic correlation does not equal causation.
 
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I didn't know I lived in a socialist country.. :o

Actually, I tough I lived in a constitutional monarchy where the center-left opposition tells me that the neo-liberals have destroyed everything because the center-right have privatizied some drug stores and some hospitals and we can now buy medicine in the general dealers. And we have recently got a nationalist party in the parliament.

Yeah, surely there was a lot of socialism-ness when the social democratic party controlled all energy providers, hospitals, schools, daycares, apartments, local courts, the lutheran state church, TV and Radio stations through the state and the labour unions, the residents' association, the sport clubs, the major food and gas chain and the major undertaker enterprise trough DWC:s. There are also quite a few examples of tyranny from back then too, since the leaders in top of the pyramid could use their powers to make life a hell for troublesome people. Though they never ended private property, so it's still not socialism.

Also, Sweden lacks checks and balances and a clear seperation of powers, which is a clear legacy from social democracy. There is no term limit for how long a prime minister can sit, and no such thing as a upper house/senate or need of a supermajority to change the basic law. You just have to make the decision twice, making the basic laws quite useless. This is because socialism and adjacent ideologies are based on legal positivism and recognizes no such thing as a natural law, thurs checks and balances becomes useless obstacles to the will of the people. That's why socialism sooner or later ends up in some kind of tyranny.
For the purposes of this thread, yes Sweden is socialist.
 
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My point; I'm not defending Obama, can't stand him. My point, though, is that debt isn't exclusive to socialist governments.

Neither is tyranny, but a lot of Socialist governments rule by it.

Pretty much true of every single government on the face of the planet. This is classic correlation does not equal causation.
No. Every government on earth isn't a tyranny like North Korea. Even between North and South Korea is like night and day.
 
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No. Every government on earth isn't like North Korea. Even between North and South Korea is like night and day.

*rae* No one brought up North Korea. That bizarre aside notwithstanding. the United States is a socialist country. You evil welfare having, social security, subsidies using, medicare utilizing red commies!
 
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Neither is tyranny, but a lot of Socialist governments rule by it.

And many more don't. Which was my point. Or are you trying to tell me Australia and Denmark are oppressive Stalinist totalitarian regimes?
Australia government type: federal parliamentary democracy and a Commonwealth realm

Denmark government type: constitutional monarchy

Source:
CIA World Factbook
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/da.html
 
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Australia government type: federal parliamentary democracy and a Commonwealth realm

Denmark government type: constitutional monarchy

Source:
CIA World Factbook
Yes, but they are socialist the way you would use the term. They have universal healthcare and unemployment social security.
 
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I live in Australia. Most Australians view our society as socialist. We are less socialist than we were, but we still have many socialist principles.
Socialism seems to be a trend in the U.S. as well, but that still doesn't make it a Socialist country. I don't think a country can be called Socialist if it's not all the way Socialist. A country is either Socialist or it isn't.
 
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So you are saying you think that the CIA World Factbook is wrong? By what authority do you say this?

She didn't say the CIA factbook was wrong, she said a country can describe itself as socialist without it being in the CIA factbook.. The CIA factbook doesn't get all the ins and outs of a country; it's a brief overview of facts.
 
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She didn't say the CIA factbook was wrong, she said a country can describe itself as socialist without it being in the CIA factbook.. The CIA factbook doesn't get all the ins and outs of a country; it's a brief overview of facts.
The CIA World Factbook gives an overall description of the government types of countries. Are you saying they are wrong in their overall assessment of government types of countries? If so, what source are you using that trumps the CIA World Factbook?
 
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