Scottish Independence

[Nabobalis]

b. He is embarressed by the outcome of the referendum, should it go ahead.
c. He explodes with pride.

I think it is safe to say that if the referendum does go ahead at the end of this Scottish parliament, it will be a vote for independence.

 

[Celtic D]

Hi,

How do you feel about the SNP pushing for Scottish Independence from the UK? Personally it feels like bit of a betrayal to me. Breaking up our country, and for what? To be absorbed into the EU eventually anyway. I understand that the Scottish are proud of their Scottish-ness, but why can't the be proud while being in the UK? I have no problem being English, British and European.

Anyway, here's a news article about Scotland moving closer politically to Scandinavia: Bye, bye England? SNP plans closer Scandinavian ties after independence - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

Have a nice day

You're not a Scot so you will never understand

 

[Celtic D]

If the Scottish people want to leave, I won't stop them but I feel that this current push is just for Alex Salmond ego and wanting to be called President/Prime Minister. I think people should be able to call them selves, Scottish, English, welsh etc and British, just like Americans. I think it is a shame that people won't do that.



If they do leave, I think we should give them nothing, no military hardware of any kind, everything that belongs to the RAF, Navy and Army should be moved out of Scotland and they can start from scratch. I admit, it is extreme. But hey, I'm not breaking up the Union.

England stands to loose more than us, or else they would have let us break away long ago!!!

 

[Celtic D]

Let them have it if they want it. Hope it puts an end to Celtic and Rangers playing in England too.

Scared they'll beat you?

 

[Celtic D]

Mr Salmond is making a huge mistake in thinking that he knows the mind of the Scottish people. The current financial situation in Europe and the world is conspiring against his ill thought out little scheme. Let us hope that he wakes up and smells the coffee before;

a. He wastes precious tax payers money on a referndum.
b. He is embarressed by the outcome of the referendum, should it go ahead.
c. He explodes with pride.

Considering he won the Scottish election, and then won by a landslide the scond time, you have no idea what you are talking about

 

[Nabobalis]

You're not a Scot so you will never understand

I'm sure you can explain.

 

[Nabobalis]

England stands to loose more than us, or else they would have let us break away long ago!!!

I'm sure you can explain.

 

[Nabobalis]

Scared they'll beat you?

They both aren't great teams, not sure if they would survive the premiership.

 

[Paradoxum]

You're not a Scot so you will never understand

Care to try to explain? I do understand it is to do with patriotism.

 

[Celtic D]

I'm sure you can explain.

I'm sure I can, I'm also sure I won't be wasting my breath

 

[Celtic D]

Care to try to explain? I do understand it is to do with patriotism.

Patriotism is way down the list, if it is even on it at all

 

[Paradoxum]

I'm sure I can, I'm also sure I won't be wasting my breath

Patriotism is way down the list, if it is even on it at all

:S

Sounds to me as if you have no reasons then.

 

[Nabobalis]

I'm sure I can, I'm also sure I won't be wasting my breath

Then you will explain - plus you can breathe less when you type, less wasted

 

[Philothei]

Hi,

How do you feel about the SNP pushing for Scottish Independence from the UK? Personally it feels like bit of a betrayal to me. Breaking up our country, and for what? To be absorbed into the EU eventually anyway. I understand that the Scottish are proud of their Scottish-ness, but why can't the be proud while being in the UK? I have no problem being English, British and European.

Anyway, here's a news article about Scotland moving closer politically to Scandinavia: Bye, bye England? SNP plans closer Scandinavian ties after independence - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

Have a nice day

But why Serbia? Why all Eastern Europe and finally why Greece (eventually through Fyrom ) was and is breaking up... ? What comes around goes around they say..or what is good for the goose is good for the gander?

I have a problem being NOT what I am and just be European

 

[Montalban]

I'd support them, if that's what the Scottish people want (and they should be entitled to ~9% of military hardware. After all, they've paid for it with their taxes!)

Absolutely, and that's not even taking into account the value the Scots have made militarily to the country

 

[Montalban]

Looking at the proposal realistically, it is a shockingly bad idea for Scottish people. Except for some kind of initial rush of adrenaline at being independent, I don't see any of the benefits. Small population (smaller than London!) with a much reduced ability to spend, provide services, compete on a world stage politically or economically, sustain a military defence. The union is good for all members, despite the usual anti-English nonsense.

That would be to ignore the rich gas fields of the Scottish coast, for one thing.

As for defence Scotland withstood England for hundreds of years.

 

[Montalban]

If Scotland got invaded it would expect the UK to bail it out anyway.

If Scotland were separate then there wouldn't be a UK to help them as the United Kingdom is the union of the kingdoms of Scotland and England.

As a person I am different from the Tories, but I still have to live under their rule.

I don't understand the beginning of this sentence. What do you mean you're a person different from the Tories? Aren't they people too?

 

[Montalban]

Sounds to me as if you have no reasons then.

This gives a balanced view...

"Would Scotland be better off without England?

The SNP has two answers to the accusation that Scotland lives off English subsidies. One is that a self-governing Scotland could manage its economy better, attracting EU support and joining an "arc of prosperity" with its near neighbours, Norway, Denmark and Iceland.

The other answer is oil. In the past 30 years, taxes from North Sea oil have amounted to about £200bn, at today's prices. Last year's receipts were around £8bn, and this year's will be higher, possibly up to £12.5 bn. That looks like enough to fill the gap between income and expenditure – but it assumes that an English government would roll over and concede that all tax revenues from oil belong to Scotland. Actually, London would fight for a share. And North Sea oil is a diminishing asset. Production peaked at 2.9m barrels a day in 1999, and by 2010 is expected to be down to a million barrels a day – barely a third of what it used to be. If the Scots want exclusive use of the taxes generated by "their" oil, they have left it too late."
The Big Question: What would Scottish independence mean, and how would it work? - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

However if you want the SNP view here it is

 

[Paradoxum]

But why Serbia? Why all Eastern Europe and finally why Greece (eventually through Fyrom ) was and is breaking up... ? What comes around goes around they say..or what is good for the goose is good for the gander?

What?

I have a problem being NOT what I am and just be European

How could you not be what you are?

If Scotland were separate then there wouldn't be a UK to help them as the United Kingdom is the union of the kingdoms of Scotland and England.

You know what I mean though don't you.

I don't understand the beginning of this sentence. What do you mean you're a person different from the Tories? Aren't they people too?

Insert 'personally' if that helps.

This gives a balanced view...

"Would Scotland be better off without England?

The SNP has two answers to the accusation that Scotland lives off English subsidies. One is that a self-governing Scotland could manage its economy better, attracting EU support and joining an "arc of prosperity" with its near neighbours, Norway, Denmark and Iceland.

The other answer is oil. In the past 30 years, taxes from North Sea oil have amounted to about £200bn, at today's prices. Last year's receipts were around £8bn, and this year's will be higher, possibly up to £12.5 bn. That looks like enough to fill the gap between income and expenditure – but it assumes that an English government would roll over and concede that all tax revenues from oil belong to Scotland. Actually, London would fight for a share. And North Sea oil is a diminishing asset. Production peaked at 2.9m barrels a day in 1999, and by 2010 is expected to be down to a million barrels a day – barely a third of what it used to be. If the Scots want exclusive use of the taxes generated by "their" oil, they have left it too late."
The Big Question: What would Scottish independence mean, and how would it work? - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

However if you want the SNP view here it is

Thanks

 

[Obzocky]

Yeah, I mean't up North(true north). I just really wind them up by referring to Sheffield as the North - it is a force of habit and it works really well

However, it is North of my home so it is all relative .

It doesn't wind us up half as much as those from Chester saying they're "Northern". Haven't met too many of them, but they exist. Midlanders trying to lay claim to Northern brilliance ...


It would be interesting to see what effect it would have on the most northerly parts of North Cumbria. We already tend to have an interesting relationship with South Western Scotland, wonder if it'll add some variety to the Scottish vs. English fights over the weekend.

Perhaps we'll have to flash our passports to get into Scotland, that would be annoying.