Knight in Shinning Armor?

[dallasapple]

Im all for not making this about gender..in fact many women are heros..this just happens to be about husbands..heroism isnt a "male trait"..Males and females are both fully capable..and within that its based individual to individual..there are many men that are cowards too..


Dallas

 

[HosannaHM]

there are many men that are cowards too..


Dallas

Too many men that are this way. I agree.

 

[Conservativation]

Most men are cowardly, hiding behind old images of soldiers and stuff

 

[chaz345]

Actually the things you mentioned, that you percieve to be female sins, were all lumped together like they were all one thing. Each of those things were very different. Let's dissect them.
Replacing objectifying women with romance. What are you calling romance? Are you calling movies where the characters love each other sacrificially, and the men are faithful, romance? because if you are, you have a very flawed premise to begin with. Admiring character traits, as opposed to superficial ones, are completely apples and oranges. We could all swoon over Jesus Himself for his character, and I don't think that would be wrong. Those are biblical things we should be striving for. Oh and empathy? So I guess that putting yourself in another person's shoes is now sinful? I thought it was loving your neighbor as yourself.

Now, accumulating shoes or purses. Those could be compared with a man accumulating gadgets, I suppose? It certainly isn't comparable to objectifying women. If someone accululates anything greedily, or without thought of others, then yes, that could be a sin, but again, it's not anywhere near turning a person into an object. I believe that a man or a woman could think of another person as an object, that's not male or female, but it is a horrible, dehumanizing sin.

What is fait? Comparing apples with apples, and oranges with oranges is fair. It's not fair to compare apples and grapes.

Furthermore, scripture tells us that all sin is common to man, (as in mankind, or men and women.) So this pitting male sins or females sins against each other seems silly to me.

I didn't say that romance itself was a problem I said obsessing over it was. There's a significant difference.

But the specifics are beside the point, which you've proven, which is that it wouldn't be OK for me, or anyone, to toss off such a large negative generalization about women. The fact that I had a hard time comming up with truly analogous "women's sins" is just another illustration of the overall man/bad woman good meme. The truly ironic thing though is that objections to generalizations and to the idea that there are behaviors that are generally male r generally female seem to have gone out the window when the unfair negative generalization is aimed at men.

 

[moonkitty]

Maybe I'm just lucky, but ever since I've been grown up and on my own, I never felt the need for my husband to come and rescue me or fight for me.

I'm and extremely good swimmer--much better than my husband who hates being in the water so I've never felt the need to be rescued from drowning.

I've never felt to really be in any real danger since I left my abusive parents. I've had my car break down on the side of the road, but we've always had Triple A so that hasn't been a problem.

I've never had a bad experience with another man harassing me, or any other time when I think I would need my husband to rush in and save me. That doesn't mean I love him any less--just means we have a fairly boring life, lol.

 

[Romanseight2005]

But Chaz, you are the one making certain sins, generally male, are you not?

 

[chaz345]

But Chaz, you are the one making certain sins, generally male, are you not?

No the person who made the post I'm objecting to did. None of the one's she mentioned would be accepted as being engaged in by women anywhere near as much as by men.

 

[Conservativation]

Actually the things you mentioned, that you percieve to be female sins, were all lumped together like they were all one thing. Each of those things were very different. Let's dissect them.
Replacing objectifying women with romance. What are you calling romance? Are you calling movies where the characters love each other sacrificially, and the men are faithful, romance? because if you are, you have a very flawed premise to begin with. Admiring character traits, as opposed to superficial ones, are completely apples and oranges. We could all swoon over Jesus Himself for his character, and I don't think that would be wrong. Those are biblical things we should be striving for. Oh and empathy? So I guess that putting yourself in another person's shoes is now sinful? I thought it was loving your neighbor as yourself.

Now, accumulating shoes or purses. Those could be compared with a man accumulating gadgets, I suppose? It certainly isn't comparable to objectifying women. If someone accululates anything greedily, or without thought of others, then yes, that could be a sin, but again, it's not anywhere near turning a person into an object. I believe that a man or a woman could think of another person as an object, that's not male or female, but it is a horrible, dehumanizing sin.

What is fait? Comparing apples with apples, and oranges with oranges is fair. It's not fair to compare apples and grapes.

Furthermore, scripture tells us that all sin is common to man, (as in mankind, or men and women.) So this pitting male sins or females sins against each other seems silly to me.

It is silly. So, stop doing it indirectly.

The sins are not openly pitted against one another, men are perceived as worse sinners than women, and sorry, I will not buy it if anyone makes a rapid claim otherwise, its just too obvious, WAY to obvious, not just here, but across the full church body.

Look at the link I posted. How do you account for those answers? Women see their biggest sin as self esteem related? Are you kidding me? The worse thing women do is think too low of themselves? That's got so much narcissism and other things similar bundled up in it it cannot even be adequately unpacked.

Those were large groups. Are they weird people and outliers

 

[Conservativation]

Anyway, men are not heros anymore for sure, except in video games where they earn newer bigger and better weapons, and keys to better maps.

 

[Tannic]

Anyway, men are not heros anymore for sure, except in video games where they earn newer bigger and better weapons, and keys to better maps.

WOOOOOOW!! CONS really?

 

[Conservativation]

WOOOOOOW!! CONS really?

Yep, and its heroic a guy can swill a beer, minimize the screen on the PC quickly so she doesnt see the porn, all while managing to drive a wort hog across a bridge in a map he has just assembled staying up till 3AM on Halo

Oh, the heroics is, it was his night to cook, he managed to call out and order a pizza while doing all these other things

 

[Tannic]

Yea... I don't think women these days need the characters we play in video games these days.

 

[CarrieAnnC]

I don't believe that women ever need video game character. Just a honest man. I do not expect my husband to go to war for me, but be honest and true. He expect same from me. Therefore we are equal in our wish and have had happy marriage all lthese year.

 

[Luther073082]

Blind Post: In the sense that I kill spiders and bee's for my wife I guess I fill that role.

Personally I'm not a big fan of those terms because I'm more concerned with the reality of history rather then the made up fantasies of history.

 

[Niffer]

Yea... I don't think women these days need the characters we play in video games these days.

Back in 97' I had the biggest crush on Sephiroth from FFVII, and he had square muscles and a face with just eyes.
It was a magical time.

- Niff

 

[Athene]

It is silly. So, stop doing it indirectly.

The sins are not openly pitted against one another, men are perceived as worse sinners than women, and sorry, I will not buy it if anyone makes a rapid claim otherwise, its just too obvious, WAY to obvious, not just here, but across the full church body.

Look at the link I posted. How do you account for those answers? Women see their biggest sin as self esteem related? Are you kidding me? The worse thing women do is think too low of themselves? That's got so much narcissism and other things similar bundled up in it it cannot even be adequately unpacked.

Those were large groups. Are they weird people and outliers

I looked at the link you posted. It's an anecdote from some teacher who asks mixed groups of students about sin. He would have been better of separating the sexes and finding a female teacher to talk to the female students. He probably would have got more honest answers.

 

[Conservativation]

I know....you are right....the men were even probably lying on the questions anyway thinking they could endear the women because those men were no doubt eyeballing the ladies they found attractive and they for sure had intentions for after class.

 

[Athene]

I know....you are right.

You're learning. Can I sig this?

 

[chaz345]

You're learning. Can I sig this?

Do you honestly believe that he actually means/believes the things he's been saying over the last couple of days?

 

[Created2Write]

People! I said to stop the women vs men thing! Seriously, move it to another thread. It doesn't belong here.

I will have the thread closed if it comes to that.