Knight in Shinning Armor?

[Chaplain David]

I do think a huge majority of men have to deal with at least one of the three outward signs of "inner demons". Objectifying women & sex (often through the use of pornography), the quest for "things" to make themselves feel ______, and the ability to look outside of their own selves & place priority on others'.

A man who can deal with his inner demons -- yes, I'd call him a "KNIGHT".

(Footnote: If you're going to try to turn this into some sort of man bashing or woman bashing debate, just don't bother. That's old news & I've grown tired of that particular discourse.)

I believe that socialization and how we're raised plays a huge role for both men and women in how we think, act and believe.

Socializaton:

From Mirriam-Webster Online:

: the process by which a human being beginning at infancy acquires the habits, beliefs, and accumulated knowledge of society through education and training for adult status.

 

[Romanseight2005]

I believe that socialization and how we're raised plays a huge role for both men and women in how we think, act and believe.

Socializaton:

From Mirriam-Webster Online:

: the process by which a human being beginning at infancy acquires the habits, beliefs, and accumulated knowledge of society through education and training for adult status.

I totally agree!

 

[Created2Write]

I do think a huge majority of men have to deal with at least one of the three outward signs of "inner demons". Objectifying women & sex (often through the use of pornography), the quest for "things" to make themselves feel ______, and the ability to look outside of their own selves & place priority on others'.

A man who can deal with his inner demons -- yes, I'd call him a "KNIGHT".

(Footnote: If you're going to try to turn this into some sort of man bashing or woman bashing debate, just don't bother. That's old news & I've grown tired of that particular discourse.)

I think men and women struggle with their inner demons. I do agree that a man who can deal with whatever his issues are is a "Knight". Likewise, a woman who can deal with her issues, I'd call her a "Princess."

 

[Conservativation]

mens demons are worse, it takes everything a man has, and most of what his wife has to keep him out of trouble. If not for women, men would be wallowing in a cesspool of filth and rebellion. Single men are necessarily wallowing as such, hidden in their apartments or whatever. tell all your lady friends, when they meet that special guy, first....check his hard drive.....it will be full of rotten filth.

see this experiment confirming what im saying



Do Women sin

 

[JRSut1000]

I disagree Cons (and that doesnt happen everyday!) - sin in sin and no sin is 'better' than another. Women's sins can be just as destructive to a marriage as men's sins.

If a woman is mistrusting of her husband and always thinking he's having an affair, or nagging all the time, or not trusting any of his decisions, not able to support him because she's so afraid of losing herself, lusting after emotional affairs to make herself feel whole, even depending on her husabnd to an extent that is extremely unhealthy, or refusing to have sex with him because of her 'issues', etc - all these things and more are detrimental to marriages just as much as a man's anger and porn or whatever.

If you read Laura Schlessinger's book 'The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands', it is revealed that there are many very hurt and beat down/run down husbands because of their wives.

When a man refuses to be a 'knight in shining armor' and man-up (in a good way), then he makes his woman feel less like a princess (I prefer the word queen). And when a woman isn't acting like a queen, but rather feels like a pauper emotionally/spiritually, and is mistrustful, bitter, etc - then she doesn't empower her husband to want to be her hero/knight in shining armor.

 

[MessianicMommy]

My wife wanted a knight in shining armor but all I could afford was boiled leather.

That's ok, if you keep running around killing orcs and goblins, you should eventually make enough money to upgrade to a better set. Try raiding some dungeons.

My husband is my best friend and love. Beyond that - I don't put him on a pedestal, and I hope he doesn't put me on one either. We're very real people with very real problems to work through and grow as one together.

 

[HosannaHM]

What I've read so far (out of the little disagreement there is), aren't we splitting hairs when we say things like:

"My Husband is always there for me. He rescues me from danger. He charges into battle for me in our relationship, and I love him for that. He values me."

Hmm...

Chivalry:the sum of the ideal qualifications of a knight, including courtesy, generosity, valor, and dexterity in arms.

Despite the small fraction of dexterity in arms in the equation, it's just a saying folks! "He's my knight in shining armor!!"

I don't know a woman out there who doesn't want to be fought for, valued, lifted up and loved by her man.

So it's a semantic argument to answer "He's not my knight, but he will fight for me and treat me like royalty."

And ladies, the truth is we love to fight for you. We love to be the ones rushing to your side in the heat of the moment. We want to protect you, we want you to adventure with us. When my wife looks at me with those big brown eyes in admiration, I don't feel any sort of obligation. I want to whisk her up and run away. I thank God everyday for such a wonderful woman.

God bless everyone and your marriage

 

[JRSut1000]

Actually Hosanna, I have indeed seen women claim they don't want to be fought for, they find that sexist and it makes them feel like they aren't capable to rescue themselves or just let God rescue them. I've seen much argument about it. It's not as basic as we'd like to think.

 

[HosannaHM]

Actually Hosanna, I have indeed seen women claim they don't want to be fought for, they find that sexist and it makes them feel like they aren't capable to rescue themselves or just let God rescue them. I've seen much argument about it. It's not as basic as we'd like to think.

I'm not trying to make it milk and cookies simplistic, I'm just giving my opinion of what God has shown me. Funny thing is, my wife can be very independent, but she still wants me to fight for her on some things. I'm aware there are women out there that hate having doors opened for them, dinner paid for, flowers, etc.. I guess I'm just thankful once again for the woman God gave me. I like to do these kind of things for my wife out of love, not male dominance as some radical socialists would argue.

 

[chaz345]

I do think a huge majority of men have to deal with at least one of the three outward signs of "inner demons". Objectifying women & sex (often through the use of pornography), the quest for "things" to make themselves feel ______, and the ability to look outside of their own selves & place priority on others'.

A man who can deal with his inner demons -- yes, I'd call him a "KNIGHT".

(Footnote: If you're going to try to turn this into some sort of man bashing or woman bashing debate, just don't bother. That's old news & I've grown tired of that particular discourse.)

Sorry but it has to be said. Not so much as an illustration of man bashing by you as much as it is an illustration of overall attitudes. If I made a similar statement about women, replacing objectifying women with obsessing over romance or empathy, and replacing gadgets with shoes or handbags, you know you'd be one of the first in line with the torch or pitchfork. That there would be such a line and hardly anyone batted an eye at your post is exactly my point though. It's perfectly acceptable to make statements that are horribly insulting to men as a group, but not ones that insult women. Maybe, in the future before making such a broad negative generalization, you should ask yourself of anyone made this same statement about women, would it bother me, or would I see it as unfair.

For clairty, I'm not at all suggesting that those things aren't a problem for too many men.

 

[chaz345]

I disagree Cons (and that doesnt happen everyday!) - sin in sin and no sin is 'better' than another. Women's sins can be just as destructive to a marriage as men's sins.

If a woman is mistrusting of her husband and always thinking he's having an affair, or nagging all the time, or not trusting any of his decisions, not able to support him because she's so afraid of losing herself, lusting after emotional affairs to make herself feel whole, even depending on her husabnd to an extent that is extremely unhealthy, or refusing to have sex with him because of her 'issues', etc - all these things and more are detrimental to marriages just as much as a man's anger and porn or whatever.

If you read Laura Schlessinger's book 'The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands', it is revealed that there are many very hurt and beat down/run down husbands because of their wives.

When a man refuses to be a 'knight in shining armor' and man-up (in a good way), then he makes his woman feel less like a princess (I prefer the word queen). And when a woman isn't acting like a queen, but rather feels like a pauper emotionally/spiritually, and is mistrustful, bitter, etc - then she doesn't empower her husband to want to be her hero/knight in shining armor.

He was illustrating the overall underlying attitude through the use of sarcasm.

 

[hijklmnop]

I thought sarcasm was unwelcome in this forum.

 

[JRSut1000]

Oh haha, I have a hard time hearing sarcasm online.

 

[Athene]

What I've read so far (out of the little disagreement there is), aren't we splitting hairs when we say things like:

"My Husband is always there for me. He rescues me from danger. He charges into battle for me in our relationship, and I love him for that. He values me."

Hmm...

Chivalry:the sum of the ideal qualifications of a knight, including courtesy, generosity, valor, and dexterity in arms.

Despite the small fraction of dexterity in arms in the equation, it's just a saying folks! "He's my knight in shining armor!!"

I don't know a woman out there who doesn't want to be fought for, valued, lifted up and loved by her man.

So it's a semantic argument to answer "He's not my knight, but he will fight for me and treat me like royalty."

And ladies, the truth is we love to fight for you. We love to be the ones rushing to your side in the heat of the moment. We want to protect you, we want you to adventure with us. When my wife looks at me with those big brown eyes in admiration, I don't feel any sort of obligation. I want to whisk her up and run away. I thank God everyday for such a wonderful woman.

God bless everyone and your marriage

If that was true for all men then there would be no such thing as nagging. Just sayin'.

 

[JanniGirl]

Ok. Now we've got the guys telling us what a "knight in shining armor" should be for us women and that we'd better like it.

It's just not worth my time to debate this issue (yet again) about how women are terrible and evil ...... (blah, blah, blah) and all men are really Knights In Shining Armor and therefore above reproach in any way as long as they feel they're doing a good job (and it doesn't really matter what their wife thinks, you know, because she is so pathetic that she cannot even tell when her husband is being loving or not).

It's all a big yawn. I've heard it before.

 

[HosannaHM]

If that was true for all men then there would be no such thing as nagging. Just sayin'.

Hmm... I agree to an extent lol

 

[HosannaHM]

Ok. Now we've got the guys telling us what a "knight in shining armor" should be for us women and that we'd better like it.

It's just not worth my time to debate this issue (yet again) about how women are terrible and evil ...... (blah, blah, blah) and all men are really Knights In Shining Armor and therefore above reproach in any way as long as they feel they're doing a good job (and it doesn't really matter what their wife thinks, you know, because she is so pathetic that she cannot even tell when her husband is being loving or not).

It's all a big yawn. I've heard it before.

Who's telling you women are terrible and pathetic?

 

[Romanseight2005]

Sorry but it has to be said. Not so much as an illustration of man bashing by you as much as it is an illustration of overall attitudes. If I made a similar statement about women, replacing objectifying women with obsessing over romance or empathy, and replacing gadgets with shoes or handbags, you know you'd be one of the first in line with the torch or pitchfork. That there would be such a line and hardly anyone batted an eye at your post is exactly my point though. It's perfectly acceptable to make statements that are horribly insulting to men as a group, but not ones that insult women. Maybe, in the future before making such a broad negative generalization, you should ask yourself of anyone made this same statement about women, would it bother me, or would I see it as unfair.

For clairty, I'm not at all suggesting that those things aren't a problem for too many men.

Actually the things you mentioned, that you percieve to be female sins, were all lumped together like they were all one thing. Each of those things were very different. Let's dissect them.
Replacing objectifying women with romance. What are you calling romance? Are you calling movies where the characters love each other sacrificially, and the men are faithful, romance? because if you are, you have a very flawed premise to begin with. Admiring character traits, as opposed to superficial ones, are completely apples and oranges. We could all swoon over Jesus Himself for his character, and I don't think that would be wrong. Those are biblical things we should be striving for. Oh and empathy? So I guess that putting yourself in another person's shoes is now sinful? I thought it was loving your neighbor as yourself.

Now, accumulating shoes or purses. Those could be compared with a man accumulating gadgets, I suppose? It certainly isn't comparable to objectifying women. If someone accululates anything greedily, or without thought of others, then yes, that could be a sin, but again, it's not anywhere near turning a person into an object. I believe that a man or a woman could think of another person as an object, that's not male or female, but it is a horrible, dehumanizing sin.

What is fait? Comparing apples with apples, and oranges with oranges is fair. It's not fair to compare apples and grapes.

Furthermore, scripture tells us that all sin is common to man, (as in mankind, or men and women.) So this pitting male sins or females sins against each other seems silly to me.

 

[Created2Write]

Okay people, this thread was not created so we could all argue over male sins vs female sins. If you want to discuss that topic, please make another thread. It's not relevant here. Secondly, this isn't supposed to be a men vs women thread either. So lets cease with the hostility and sarcasm. It's not helpful, and it only detracts from the conversation.

Keep your comments on topic from this point out, please.

 

[dallasapple]

Replacing objectifying women with romance. What are you calling romance? Are you calling movies where the characters love each other sacrificially, and the men are faithful, romance? because if you are, you have a very flawed premise to begin with. Admiring character traits, as opposed to superficial ones, are completely apples and oranges. We could all swoon over Jesus Himself for his character, and I don't think that would be wrong. Those are biblical things we should be striving for. Oh and empathy? So I guess that putting yourself in another person's shoes is now sinful? I thought it was loving your neighbor as yourself.

Right on!

Right like viewing a human beign as a "thing" ..(an object)..for thier "sex" and using them like a piece of steak or hamburger meat..Can be compared to the "sinful" character traits of love and affection and devotion ..

empathy is a sin now?

[QUOTEEmpathy is the capacity to recognize and, to some extent, share feelings (such as sadness or happiness) that are being experienced by another sapient or semi-sapient being. Someone may need to have a certain amount of empathy before they are able to feel compassion.


][/quote]


Odd...you need to feel empathy before compassion ..news to me thats comaparable to treating another human being like a blow up doll.

Also its noteworthy that one of the identifying traits of a sociopath is lack of or absense of empathy.

Dallas