Understanding Calvinism

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Reprobation is the most disturbing part of theology for me personally yet I can't deny scripture proof that God is far above my intellect to do as He will.

For me too. If not for that, I could manage it. I'm a universalist at heart.

Nobody's Fool> I'm not an Arminian, I'm Christian who goes to a Methodist church. And I do apologize. It appeared I was being called a fool. I will do better to show more respect in the future and I edited my post to begin that change in my tone.
 
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Let me ask you this: Can Jesus ever stop being the perfect Lamb of God? I await your answer.

define perfect Lamb of God or restate your question.
 
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define perfect Lamb of God or restate your question.

What? How much simpler can the question be stated? Scripture defines "perfect Lamb of God". I'm asking you if Jesus has the free will to stop acting as our High Priest. One step at a time to build up to a point.
 
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Good question and one where I differ with many Calvinists. I believe the atonement is sufficient for all and offered to all but only the elect respond having been given the gift of faith.

I wrote the following parable as an illustration...

A wealthy man buys ten tickets to Hawaii and has his Son pay cash for them. He sends a letter to ten people with a ticket purchased for them and invites them to join him in Hawaii.

He also sends a Special Courier to deliver three of the tickets to a select group of the ten and has the Courier earnestly persuade them to go {His persuasion is irresistible!} The Courier then escorts them onto the plane insuring they get to Hawaii.

The other seven get the letter and the ticket that has been purchased for them, but because they hate the wealthy man [he makes them feel guilty] they refuse to use the ticket. They each think. If I ever go to Hawaii, I'm going MY way. No one is paying my way, especially not That Guy!

The wealthy man, his son and the courier rejoice with the three in Hawaii. The other seven never make it and their tickets, while paid in full, are never used. While the three are in the beauty of Hawaii with the wealthy man a plague strikes the home towns of the seven and they perish.

NOTE: This is an artificially constructed parable to show how the price can be paid in full for those who refuse to receive the gift. The Father's election and the Spirit's persuasion are limited to the elect, yet a ticket purchased by the Son is legitimately extended to all.

Unlimited Atonement yet Limited Attainment

The sufficiency of the blood sacrifice Jesus Christ made in propitiation for sin is found in the words, "whole world", 1st John 2:2.

It was interesting that you used "ten", in your 'artifically constructed parable'.

Our Lord Jesus Christ used "ten", in parables, in scripture, too. Matt. 25:1-13, regarding ten virgins. And then, in the parable of the "talents", Matt. 25:14-30. The one given 5 talents, and gaining 5 more, (v.20 and v.28). Wow, the point our Lord gave about using what we are given, is crystal clear.

Anyhow, just found it interesting, regarding the 'ten'.
 
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What? How much simpler can the question be stated? Scripture defines "perfect Lamb of God". I'm asking you if Jesus has the free will to stop acting as our High Priest. One step at a time to build up to a point.

If Scripture defines perfect Lamb of God, surely you can tell me what it means.

He has already determined to be our High Priest, so it isn't up to debate (Will I or wont I).
 
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If Scripture defines perfect Lamb of God, surely you can tell me what it means.

He has already determined to be our High Priest, so it isn't up to debate (Will I or wont I).

Do you understand that this is about free will? That's the context and backdrop of the question. I could have picked any aspect of Jesus and it would be the same question: does Jesus have free will, now, in heaven, such as to stop being our High Priest, stop being the sacrificial Lamb of God, etc.? And since he is fully God, does this mean God does not have free will? A simple yes or no will do. You're being evasive.
 
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