My Rock Challenge

[dad]

Which is why we're running the world into the ground?

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Speak for yourself. Fallen man may be degenerate, but that doesn't mean he is less than a cockroach, freak accident, riding on a meaningless speck planet, in a random direction, with no purpose.

 

[mzungu]

you need a lot more faith to believe in a theory of evolution. you can never explain or prove the origination of life no matter how hard you want to believe it. plus i dont need to prove there is a God, the Heaven's declare it. hard to believe the order that exists in the universe is totally random, if that's not faith i dont know what is, the odds are better that my [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]zu is walking on my keyboard right now producing somewhat coherent sentences by accident(of course that could explain my poor writing skills).

You have just betrayed your ignorance on Evolution. Evolution does not explain HOW LIFE BEGAN but HOW LIFE EVOLVED AFTER IT BEGAN. If you are going to continue to put forth false claims then remember this: "Thou shalt not bear false witness"

 

[Tiberius]

Because we have a common creator -- as opposed to a common ancestor.

Non sequitur. Edison invented a whole bunch of stuff, but he never built them from the same basic parts. Common DNA points towards a common ancestor, not a common creator.

Speak for yourself. Fallen man may be degenerate, but that doesn't mean he is less than a cockroach, freak accident, riding on a meaningless speck planet, in a random direction, with no purpose.

I'm talking about deforestation, driving species after species to extinction...

 

[razeontherock]

appearances are easier to manipulate -- reality is quite stubborn.

Speak of the devil ...

 

[razeontherock]

This thread is for you to sound off and impress us with your knowledge.

Poe? Really, you're holding your breath for a Poe to impress?

 

[razeontherock]

Nope, AV -- as always, you've got it backwards.

Why can't you be more honest with yourself -- let alone about yourself?

Do you have a challenge that is relevant to reality? because frankly, I'm getting tired of seeing you clog up a forum for serious discussion with these little vanity games of yours.

Reality is stubborn, and you have a tough time with it. You see, this forum is not "clogged up" by AV. False accusations, bearing false witness, what else ya got?

 

[razeontherock]

We would date the rock with several parent-daughter pairs to confirm the age. It would take a conscious effort on the part of the rock creator to make sure that all of these parent-daughter pairs produce the same date. IOW, it would require an overt attempt to fool people.

We could use a murder scene as an analogy. Could an all powerful deity create a murder scene ex nihilo, complete with the fingerprints, DNA, fibers, and hair from Katy Couric all over and around the murder victim? Sure could. Does this mean that we should free every person who has been convicted on the weight of forensic evidence? Obviously not. Why? Because fantasies do not trump reality.

This is a horribly twisted analogy. Whatever could possess you to pen such a thing?

why can you not take the responsibility to conclude we (hypothetically) are just not smart enough to figure this situation out?

 

[razeontherock]

Not only that, but we would have to free everyone from jail since we could not tell the difference between real evidence and evidence that was created ex nihilo. If you actually believed the nonsense you preach you would be calling for the exhoneration of prisoners, but you aren't.

The icon for your leap of logic:

 

[razeontherock]

Non sequitur. Edison invented a whole bunch of stuff, but he never built them from the same basic parts. Common DNA points towards a common ancestor, not a common creator.

Is there a word for this, besides foolishness? There is absolutely no basis for your conclusion. Rather, what about the common elements of existence and / or life tells us of G-d? And what does it reveal to us about Him? He is amazingly patient, waiting for us to (finally) figure all this out ...

 

[British Bulldog]

Is there a word for this, besides foolishness? There is absolutely no basis for your conclusion. Rather, what about the common elements of existence and / or life tells us of G-d? And what does it reveal to us about Him? He is amazingly patient, waiting for us to (finally) figure all this out ...

Um, as DNA is what is mixed and passed on during reproduction and is common to all living things, it is not foolishness to conclude that we are all related. It is, however, foolish to insist that one has personal experience of god, the spirit and even hell, but refuse to say anything about them that means anything to anyone except smugly implying that those who'd like some real evidence aren't clever enough to understand and experience what you have been special enough to be shown. Excuse us if we just assume you have had the same experiences as the rest if us, but are arrogant enough to assume your experiences are direct revelations of god's divinity rather than the more prosaic interpretations the rest of us give them.

 

[Nostromo]

Is that the scientific definition for the cut off point & beginning of evolution? "Once" ?
We know that "evolution" is nothing more than documenting change.
So we must assume that things didn't change....until they started changing.
But by the time they had not changed, they began evolving....because thats when evolution starts to begin...at the end of things not changing.
So the beginning of life is when things stop not changing and begin evolving.

The Theory of Evolution deals with biological evolution, not just evolution in general. Biology is the study of life so it should be perfectly obvious that the "beginning of evolution", in the sense of the Theory of Evolution, is at the point something arises which fits our definition of "life".

Prior to that it was what you might call chemical evolution.

 

[mzungu]

Because we have a common creator -- as opposed to a common ancestor.

Science has evidence that we do indeed have a common ancestor. You have only quoted passages from a millennia old book as your evidence. Can you refute our evidences with such a book? I believe this cannot be done without accepting things like geocentrism, and others that have been totally refuted by empirical evidence.

AV I will appreciate we debate this without your thalidomide and Pluto arguments since it is irrelevant to the scope of the debate.

If you insist on a non spiritual understanding of the Bible and you place its message into the physical world then you will have to show physical evidences that refute science.

The mere fact that we are debating this issue while being continents apart is testament to how science works.

 

[Greg1234]

Science has evidence that we do indeed have a common ancestor.

But....inquiry says we didn't.

The mere fact that we are debating this issue while being continents apart is testament to how science works.

There are theistic inventors and inquirers. We would be just fine without materialism.

 

[British Bulldog]

But....inquiry says we didn't.

Inquiry says we did every single time. Unless, that is, you are mistaking inquiry for blind insistence on the bible being historical fact which is presented by charlatans, tricksters, fools and deliberate, wilful liars. If those are the guys you want to align yourself with, then, yes, you might get a rather confused worldview.

There are theistic inventors and inquirers. We would be just fine without materialism.

Nobody's stopping you turning your back on materialism, greg. You are free to do so any time you want. Don't let us stop you.

 

[AV1611VET]

Edison invented a whole bunch of stuff, but he never built them from the same basic parts.

Comparing phonographs & lightbulbs to DNA, are we?

On the molecular level, Edison indeed used 'the same basic parts'.

In fact, he used just a few of them, out of just over 100.

The same thing found in DNA is found in my coffee.

 

[AV1611VET]

Poe? Really, you're holding your breath for a Poe to impress?

I don't think Mr. Poe is with us anymore. I think he may have overstepped his privileges here. It happens.

 

[British Bulldog]

I don't think Mr. Poe is with us anymore. I think he may have overstepped his privileges here. It happens.

If he's been banned then this forum has lost one of its most coherent posters. That reflects badly on the forum.

 

[AV1611VET]

Science has evidence that we do indeed have a common ancestor.

No, it doesn't.

To get to this 'common ancestor', you have to employ god-of-the-gaps technology and bridge one doosey of a gap.

Only you call it 'science' and call our beliefs 'faith'.

 

[Greg1234]

Inquiry says we did every single time.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7598334-64/#post58859583

Unless, that is, you are mistaking inquiry for blind insistence on the bible being historical fact which is presented by charlatans, tricksters, fools and deliberate, wilful liars. If those are the guys you want to align yourself with, then, yes, you might get a rather confused worldview.

We're not the one who believe in microbe to man phenomena so the charlatans etc are quite misplaced.

Nobody's stopping you turning your back on materialism, greg. You are free to do so any time you want. Don't let us stop you.

We already have, and we continue to invent and research.

 

[AV1611VET]

If he's been banned then this forum has lost one of its most coherent posters. That reflects badly on the forum.

One can employ coherency and still overstep his privileges.

A policeman can arrest a wino as well as a lawyer.