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dad said:
I have never seen SoS used to attack creation. Learn the difference.
Nonsense. I never questioned symnbolism, I just pointed out it cannot be used to oppose the revealed truth of God confirmed by Jesus about the creation.
Oh come on now. Since they separated the real early stages of their imaginary evolution that has zero evidence, from the more recent stuff, that has some grains of truth to it, in that a lot of changes did come down.
Science comes up with new information and that helps us to better understand our Bible. The whole point is you can not falsify the Bible. Just the opposite, Science confirms again and again that the Bible is true.
dad said:
Perhaps I did not make myself clear. I am talking about the holocene extinction. This was pre civilization and ruin does tend to be a word used more for the break down of civilization. Now I understand that not all species went extinct. God repopulated the earth with species that were here before the mass extinction. At least according to Science.
Here is a interesting suggestion. That Hebrew means Herdsman. So they say the Hebrews were the origional Herdsman. That would allow you to settle down and build a city if you did not have to follow the herds as they traveled from place to place.
OK, long as one doesn't take that too far, so as to wipe out the creation and things that have clear meaning.
It is Magnus the robot fighter..and old comic..
I kind of liked how he bucked the system, and fought the automatons, that enslaved mankind...kind of like the out of control evo doctrines gone mad.
OIC --It is Magnus the robot fighter..and old comic..
The council of Nicea did not put together the Scripture.
But evolution did happen in the world. No one is denying that.
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities His eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. (Rom 1:20).
It also refers to a future recreation of the heavens and the earth. So the idea of Geneses 1 being a similar recreation holds possible.
Precisely!
Only if we don't consider the rocks and fossils to be old. If we consider the fossils to be evidence of prehistoric life then it's no stretch. Trying to fit all those fossils onto Noah's ark might be more of a stretch.
Well, if it was this way for a reason and we infer a reason that does not in any way take away from the core message of Scripture, then such liberties are fine. I think we all take those liberties at some point.
I agree.
If I am not mistaken, the bible tells us the water divided from the land on the third day after God commanded it to do so. The bible, however, does not tell us the water and land were created on a specific day.
If the chaos was determined by design it would be included in the Master plan and operation.
New ideas often sound fantastic.
Okay. This sounds pretty much like a reference to Genesis 1. So let’s compare.
"Heavens"– shamayim– the same Hebrew word for "Atmosphere".
What part of the earth is stretched out above the waters?
The “great lights” is referring to the two great lights in Genesis 1: the sun and moon. Not the stars.
Again, this is only telling us the moon and stars rule the night. It is not telling us the stars were made as were the sun and moon.
But plausible. And it’s the one part of my theory I thought you might consider to be possible – a different state past.
On this we can agree.
But a week requires days, and days require light, and the light appeared after “that stuff” (water and land) had been here. Therefore "that stuff" existed before that week and was not created that week.
I’m not.
I agree.
Well, I don’t think you have done a good enough job demonstrating why it is weak.
Doesn't follow. The future changes do not affect the fact there was a creation. Man was still created when he was created. The future new state merely shows that this present state is not the one that will be.
The bible doesn't support that, people lived a certain number of years...Adam begat...etc. No indefinite period is possible.
Speculation. No chaos really existed. It was all well planned, and the early part of the plan merely saw unformed (as we know it) stuff.
Not sure what you are talking about. In what way would the dividing of water and land not be on the day mentioned?? As for the verse, the bondage of sin and decay is something believers will be liberated from..so?
As it is, right in creation week no less.
The part on the other side of where the stars are!
They were made the same day!
My different state is in the time after creation. Not in an imaginary time that can't be supported in some invented gap in day one or two or whatever.
I must say Im shocked.
On this we can agree.
But a week requires days, and days require light,
And no proof that any such stuff existed exists in or out of the bible. All things were created by him.....
Speculation. You can't support it.
Bingo.
We could extend that to mean that the earth was flat and not round I suppose...no form!? No. The early planet was in a stage that was unlike the stage later, where we see waters and continents etc...
Not really.
When God said "it is finished" in chap 2, one assumes that the stars and sun and man and etc are included. If you want to exclude some things you better have solid gold bible wide reasons. You don't.
