Natural man, beasts etc, sorta kool

[FirenWater]

Just posting these here, you can catch some connections that the wording implies in various places. Just comparing, add what you can catch. I tried to keep this short because I have others but these are enough. Pretty kool if you ask me.


Man (in honour) and understand not (as beasts, that perish)


Psalms 49:20 Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish.


Again here, which understand not (as beasts , perish) but here...(in their own corruption)


2Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;


Here again, which they know not (as beasts again, in what things they corrupt themselves)


Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Above (what they know naturally) below (the natural man) what he cannot know

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Speak evil of THOSE THINGS (which they know not) which indicates to me THE THINGS OF the Spirit (which are the things) He cannot know

Which can somewhat put the first one into perspective


Psalms 49:20 Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish.

Then here its of spiritual understanding....

Col 1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding


I have this written up a multitude of different ways connecting them in various ways, but I always have trouble trying to combine them into one. So I'll keep it short, but I thought these were kool (in light of the above)

Then this one here, the image he beholds...

James 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

Which is not really what we desire to behold in a glass, but it likewise reminds of this...

Ecc 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

Back to what we desire to behold in a glass...

2Cr 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Which sorta reminds me of gaining some kind of victory over our own face, or image we behold in a glass.

Now back to here again...

James 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

But here it says...

Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Which sorta reminds me of here...

Ezek 33:31 And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.

With their mouth they shew love as well, John seems to adress this too...

1John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

Or as a doer of the word, a man blessed in his deed is expressed here by John likewise.

Theres a bunch of these I have been looking at, but I figured to just post these. Gotta head out, go grocery shopping

(Fridays) gotta love em'

God bless

 

[meadowlark]

The honor of revelation is given to us when we hear the Word or even look at nature. But instead of standing upon them to build ourselves up in them we carry them around like beasts of burden not even recognising their worth. But should we who are so honered to be shown even one of them really look at them, we would see that that is what we are becoming to be. Each revelation shows us clearer who we are and what we can do and Who we stand for. When we can act on them we're no longer beasts of burden because we're no longer slaves of sin We've obeyed from the heart that which was delivered to us in love..

 

[C R F]

Fireinwater, all the things I've been saying are spiritual. Men are like bruit beast when they have not the Spirit. Everybody says they do but yet they do not understand the spiritual understanding. And this is what I am giving people all the time. I tell people what the word means spiritually so they will understand and have ears to hear and be converted and this what you speak of is the mark of the beast. People with no spiritual understanding. When Adam sinned the Lord clothed him with the skins of animals. When you are born into the world of religion you are born in sin, sin is the understanding with out spirit. We are born naked and that is the flesh. When we study the scriptures, the word covers us as cloth and wisdom is as a robe , understanding is like a robe of majesty and the righteousness of God is the robe totally white as snow, the robe of righteousness. Without the spirit people are clothed with the skins of animals and they are likened unto them by their nature. Some are like swine and others like dogs, some like the ass, some like cattle, sheep. The unclean animals , people put that understanding on as the bruit beast and that is the mark of the beast.

Look at every thing I say fireinwater, all spiritual teachings, nothing of this world and this worlds understanding. I can tell you the whole bible in the interpretation of the spirit, or of the discerned spirit but people just think I'm bragging or selfrighteous. This is not so or else God would never have given me the gifts. I can prophecie almost to the day now. I can teach the prophecy of the word in revelations for the spiritual understanding is the prophecy and when the understanding is given , then it comes to pass, right away after that.I can tell you that the spiritual understanding is the truth and the truth is the resurection. I can tell you that the apocalipse is the unveiling of the word and that is what I do and it is the Lord that gave me that ability.

I can go on and on with what the Lord has done with me but it isn't about me, it is about Jesus and his people and he is calling us upward now.

 

[FirenWater]

Thank you meadowlark and CRF for your additions to this thread

God bless

 

[Jpark]

1John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

John 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

So let's see here...

word, tongue = Faith, belief (James 2:19, Matt. 12:33-37)
deed = spirit (Matt. 15:18-20, 1 Samuel 16:7)
truth = Jesus (1 Tim. 2:4, 2 Tim. 2:25, Heb. 5:9, Acts 4:12, Matt. 12:32)

word, tongue, deed = soul, heart
truth = salvation

So what's missing?

John 4:23 But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

1 Samuel 15:22 Samuel said,
“Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices
As in obeying the voice of the LORD?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
And to heed than the fat of rams.



1 Peter 1:22 Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a sincere love of the brethren, fervently love one another from the heart [Two early mss read a clean heart],



Obedience

 

[FirenWater]

Thank you Jpark, that was another verse I also had in this study

Have they not heard? Yes, he says, but it says not all have not obeyed the gospel, it speaks of the obedience of the faith.

Even when it comes to our own reasoning, we are to bring every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bring into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ. Our bodies, not offering our members as instruments of unrighteousness. Our tongues are a member as well (bridling them). I have to better put off jesting and bridle that, thats been a hard one for me.

The other, even in respects to others in need, which might SAY (in tongue) "peace be warm and be full" (type thing) but when it sees others in need (in the sphere of influence) shuts up its own bowels of compassion toward them (action wise). Whereas we should open our hand toward them. The same could also be shown in "love not in tongue and word" (or just saying) "peace be warm and full" but not in deed and truth. Well, especially when we have it in our power to do.

God bless you guys, thanks for your posts

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Just posting these here, you can catch some connections that the wording implies in various places. Just comparing, add what you can catch. I tried to keep this short because I have others but these are enough. Pretty kool if you ask me.


Man (in honour) and understand not (as beasts, that perish)


Psalms 49:20 Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish.


Again here, which understand not (as beasts , perish) but here...(in their own corruption)


2Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;


Here again, which they know not (as beasts again, in what things they corrupt themselves)


Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Above (what they know naturally) below (the natural man) what he cannot know

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Speak evil of THOSE THINGS (which they know not) which indicates to me THE THINGS OF the Spirit (which are the things) He cannot know

Which can somewhat put the first one into perspective


Psalms 49:20 Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish.

Then here its of spiritual understanding....

Col 1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding


I have this written up a multitude of different ways connecting them in various ways, but I always have trouble trying to combine them into one. So I'll keep it short, but I thought these were kool (in light of the above)

Then this one here, the image he beholds...

James 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

Which is not really what we desire to behold in a glass, but it likewise reminds of this...

Ecc 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

Back to what we desire to behold in a glass...

2Cr 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Which sorta reminds me of gaining some kind of victory over our own face, or image we behold in a glass.

Now back to here again...

James 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

But here it says...

Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Which sorta reminds me of here...

Ezek 33:31 And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.

With their mouth they shew love as well, John seems to adress this too...

1John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

Or as a doer of the word, a man blessed in his deed is expressed here by John likewise.

Theres a bunch of these I have been looking at, but I figured to just post these. Gotta head out, go grocery shopping

(Fridays) gotta love em'

God bless

Paul fought with beasts at Ephesus, just as I have fought with the beasts here in these forums, and also in others.

Blessed is he who overcomes his image, and the mark he has placed upon the hearts and minds of the unbelievers.

 

[FirenWater]

Psalm 73:22 So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee.

I think we can all be beasts naturally cant we?

However, here a mans heart and beasts heart are distinguished here

Dan 4:16 Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.

Then here...

Gen 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

There is a sevenfold thing happening in both, seven times pass over for the one, and vengeance taken on the one who slayeth Cain sevenfold.

There seems to be a common theme. But even in respects to those which cause divisions (still yet carnal) marked in a sense of reccognition of which man they are of and the avoidance of them.

Still looking at these things though. I am finding a common theme, still uncertain of anything solid as of yet.

God bless you brother

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Psalm 73:22 So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee.

I think we can all be beasts naturally cant we?

However, here a mans heart and beasts heart are distinguished here

Dan 4:16 Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.

Then here...

Gen 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

There is a sevenfold thing happening in both, seven times pass over for the one, and vengeance taken on the one who slayeth Cain sevenfold.

There seems to be a common theme. But even in respects to those which cause divisions (still yet carnal) marked in a sense of reccognition of which man they are of and the avoidance of them.

Still looking at these things though. I am finding a common theme, still uncertain of anything solid as of yet.

God bless you brother

The Lord told Israel that if they turned away from following after his commandments that he would bring seven times more the curses than the blessings.

Seven times is shown in the cleansing cycle in the law for a sign, it is shown as the days of separation.

Miriam after she had strove with Moses, the Man of God; she was stricken with leprosy and made unclean, and put outside the camp for seven days.

Naaman dipped in the Jordan seven times to be healed of his leprosy.

The child Elisha brought back to life sneezed seven times before he was ressurected.

Nebuchadnezzar, after given a heart and mind of a beast was restored whole after seven times had passed over him.

Lamech like Cain killed a man to his own hurt, and he should be avenged seventy and seven fold.

Jesus(the Word of God made flesh) came through a rebellious people(the name Miriam means the same thing as Mary= rebellious).

Israel like Cain killed a righteous man, even to their own hurt. They also had a mark placed upon them until seven times would passover them.

The Lord said he would sow the house of Israel with both the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

Jacob served Laban for 20 years, seven years for the first wife, seven years for the second wife, and six years for the beasts.

How often should I forgive my brother if he sins against me, till seven times?

 

[FirenWater]

The Lord told Israel that if they turned away from following after his commandments that he would bring seven times more the curses than the blessings.

Seven times is shown in the cleansing cycle in the law for a sign, it is shown as the days of separation.

Miriam after she had strove with Moses, the Man of God; she was stricken with leprosy and made unclean, and put outside the camp for seven days.

Naaman dipped in the Jordan seven times to be healed of his leprosy.

The child Elisha brought back to life sneezed seven times before he was ressurected.

Nebuchadnezzar, after given a heart and mind of a beast was restored whole after seven times had passed over him.

Lamech like Cain killed a man to his own hurt, and he should be avenged seventy and seven fold.

Jesus(the Word of God made flesh) came through a rebellious people(the name Miriam means the same thing as Mary= rebellious).

Israel like Cain killed a righteous man, even to their own hurt. They also had a mark placed upon them until seven times would passover them.

The Lord said he would sow the house of Israel with both the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

Jacob served Laban for 20 years, seven years for the first wife, seven years for the second wife, and six years for the beasts.

How often should I forgive my brother if he sins against me, till seven times?

I like how you laid this out SpiritInTruth, it does show a patern, after pointing it out again and again its more easily reccognized.

I love that you pointed out what Marys name means, when I first read it was WHERE she was seated at his feet HEARING his word, and it was like WOW! THEIR REBELLION! Then connecting it back to Marian and Moses and being put without the camp,

In connection to without the camp and beasts how are you catching it? Likewise in light of what Paul speaks to going without the camp?

Thank you for the above, yes, I can catch the seven times and the seventy times seven and the numbers there.

God bless you

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

We in this present world are without the camp, or the Temple which is in heaven.

That is why John was told in Revelation 11:2;"But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not;"

Also concerning Israel, Jesus said those who are forgiven the most, shall love the most.

Just like Saul/Paul who was the least of the apostles, and who started out in blasphemy against Christ; but when forgiven he labored harder for the gospel than all the other apostles.

 

[FirenWater]

I cant put a foot down on this yet, just playing here, whether I can catch a pattern of the way he is speaking or not.

Without the camp, just looking here and there...



Exodus 19:14 But the flesh of the bullock, and his skin, and his dung, shalt thou burn with fire without the camp: it is a sin offering.

Then if I go here, it says...


Heb 13:11 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.


Heb 13:12 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

Then says...


Heb 18:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.


Heb 13:11..."which serve the tabernacle"? As in unto the example...


Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

And we know...


Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.


Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Which makes me think of this one though...


Heb 18:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.


??

Heres what Im not catching, how can we actually go forth without the camp (meaning in this present world) if we are already in this present world? Understand what Im asking bro?

Because we know (here) we have no lasting city, but why say, "go forth therefore UNTO HIM (without) the camp? (And it mean this present world?) which would mean go forth unto Him "in this present world" wouldnt it?



It will take me some time to study these things from these places and find a footing because I am still yet too unfamiliar with certain paterns as well. Once I start catching it aright, I'll be fine, but I must say finding my footing first can be a bit awkard sometimes. Besides not having an ounce of inspiration right now... Good thing your going slow lol

Thanks for using scriptures to show, thats one thing I appreciate that you do. Once you said present world (or how it relates) you lost me

Come again on that one if you can.

God bless you brother

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

We like those beasts who were offered for sacrifice, must put off the fleshy man outside the heavenly camp.

Paul was trying to show how the natural ordinances of the law took on a new spiritual meaning; the first was found with fault, that is why it was necessary for a second.

Paul said let us go outside the camp, because that was the language used in the text. Not that there was another outside the camp than this present world were are in now.

The reason Paul said let us go therefore unto to Him outside the camp, is because that is where Jesus was also sacrificed.

We also are baptized into his death.

Hebrews 13:12;"Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate."

Keep in mind the outer fleshy parts were put off outside the camp, but the blood was brought into the sanctuary by the High priest.

We are put death in the flesh of Christ, washed in his blood, and raised in glory by his Spirit.

 

[FirenWater]

We like those beasts who were offered for sacrifice, must put off the fleshy man outside the heavenly camp.

Paul was trying to show how the natural ordinances of the law took on a new spiritual meaning; the first was found with fault, that is why it was necessary for a second.

Paul said let us go outside the camp, because that was the language used in the text. Not that there was another outside the camp than this present world were are in now.

The reason Paul said let us go therefore unto to Him outside the camp, is because that is where Jesus was also sacrificed.

We also are baptized into his death.

Hebrews 13:12;"Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate."

Keep in mind the outer fleshy parts were put off outside the camp, but the blood was brought into the sanctuary by the High priest.

We are put death in the flesh of Christ, washed in his blood, and raised in glory by his Spirit.

Okay this was better put for me bro, thanks, I'll sit there with one thing I cant hear and try to fit the whole thing into it, and sit there for ever and scratch my head over it. Imagine if there were no scriptures for me, I often sit there cross eyed, then just say "thanks" because I cant go anywheres with it

To my shame I havent yet studied these particular things (the blood of beasts) and disregarded it in whole (for the most part) as the shadow (which it is) but Hebrews mentions "Let us therefore go unto him without the camp" (likewise). So I failed to catch there was (perhaps) something more in it for me to see better. In accord with Christ (His own blood) and the "Let us Go"...( as Jesus ALSO) in respects to the same.

This would fit too wouldnt you think?

Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

The outward man is how I am perceiving it.

Thanks brother, God bless

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Okay this was better put for me bro, thanks, I'll sit there with one thing I cant hear and try to fit the whole thing into it, and sit there for ever and scratch my head over it. Imagine if there were no scriptures for me, I often sit there cross eyed, then just say "thanks" because I cant go anywheres with it

To my shame I havent yet studied these particular things (the blood of beasts) and disregarded it in whole (for the most part) as the shadow (which it is) but Hebrews mentions "Let us therefore go unto him without the camp" (likewise). So I failed to catch there was (perhaps) something more in it for me to see better. In accord with Christ (His own blood) and the "Let us Go"...( as Jesus ALSO) in respects to the same.

This would fit too wouldnt you think?

Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

The outward man is how I am perceiving it.

Thanks brother, God bless

It is written that there are 3 that bear witness on earth, the Spirit, the water, and the blood.

Example of the water; Jesus said those who believe in me, out of their bellies shall come forth living waters.(witness)

But the blood also bears witness, just as the blood of Abel spake, but the blood of Jesus spoke better things. (greater witness)

In the law they were told not to drink the blood of beasts,(false witness) but Jesus told his people to eat his flesh, and drink his blood,(faithful witness).

The blood of Jesus bears witness of the Truth, just as he showed with the wine when he said take, drink, this is my blood of the New testament.

A testament is not in effect until the death of the Testator, and is sanctified with the sprinkling of blood.

Those who are born of God, have this witness(testament) dwelling in themselves by way of the Holy Spirit, and the living Word of God.

But this witness(testimony) spoken to others, can work for, or against, depending on how that person recieves it; wether in faith, or in disbelief.

Just like the wine(testimony) Jeremiah was told to take to the Nations and cause them to drink of it.(testify against)

Because they drank of it(heard the testimony), and refused it, it became the wine of Gods wrath.

There is great multitude of hidden truths that can be revealed about the water and the wine, but perhaps that can be another thread.

Peace.

 

[FirenWater]

It is written that there are 3 that bear witness on earth, the Spirit, the water, and the blood.

Example of the water; Jesus said those who believe in me, out of their bellies shall come forth living waters.(witness)

But the blood also bears witness, just as the blood of Abel spake, but the blood of Jesus spoke better things. (greater witness)

In the law they were told not to drink the blood of beasts,(false witness) but Jesus told his people to eat his flesh, and drink his blood,(faithful witness).

The blood of Jesus bears witness of the Truth, just as he showed with the wine when he said take, drink, this is my blood of the New testament.

A testament is not in effect until the death of the Testator, and is sanctified with the sprinkling of blood.

Those who are born of God, have this witness(testament) dwelling in themselves by way of the Holy Spirit, and the living Word of God.

But this witness(testimony) spoken to others, can work for, or against, depending on how that person recieves it; wether in faith, or in disbelief.

Just like the wine(testimony) Jeremiah was told to take to the Nations and cause them to drink of it.(testify against)

Because they drank of it(heard the testimony), and refused it, it became the wine of Gods wrath.

There is great multitude of hidden truths that can be revealed about the water and the wine, but perhaps that can be another thread.

Peace.

This is perfect bro, heard this one loud and clear

Thank you for this, God bless you

 

[amadeus2]

We are to be built without hands, but in the building process, all of the beasts, which we are, without God, must be killed.


"Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:


She hath killed her beasts; she hath mingled her wine; she hath also furnished her table." Prov 9:1-2


Kill the old man built by the hands of men and receive the new man built without hands.

 

[FirenWater]

Hi amadeus2, thank you for adding, thats an interesting one too, sheesh that one could only make me ask, how many beasts do we have in one man? Know what I mean?

As you can probrobly tell, I havent studied this much yet (lol)

God bless you

 

[C R F]

I just remembered we were speaking about created and formed and it says in creation that God Formed the beast and the fowls of the air. Adam and eve were created but the beast of the field were formed. I know the animals and the cattle are people that eat the teachings of this world because this world is the field and the people are like grass or to say they are feed grass and they are like cattle of to the butcher ( psalms ) You all ready say what the beast are and the first mark was on Cain. So no one would kill him and look in revelation were people receive the mark, same mark but people of the spirit don't have that mark or have it removed. I would like to get into a deep discussion about that mark but I fear people would be offended too much.

 

[FirenWater]

Most likely folks will disgree or agree with whatever anyone shares on just about every topic (that much is certain)

I have not been in the mood to voice any differences I might have with anyone right now.

This too will most likely pass (though) I must admit its actually a nice place to be