Who did Moses chat with?

[from scratch]

What in the world is the first question...JohnRabbit posted the answer...HUH?

Moses wanted to see God...and God let him see his backside...TOLD him, he could not see HIS FACE...how hard is that? Definately not rocket science.

They saw his feet in the mount! Okay, that is still not His Face...

In there verse your referring to Ex 24:10,,we also see the Son of Man's feet being described in Rev 2 and Rev 10...We see what was under His feet from what Moses was describing what he saw also being described in the New Jerusalem in Rev 21...

Well I think you're very mistaken. I read another angel in Rev 10 and find no feet mentioned in 21. I didn't find God walking in Rev 2 either.

I think that Ex 24:10 is just as figurative as the finger of God in Ex 31:18, Deut 9:10 and LK 11:20.

 

[from scratch]

You do know that the part that is in brackets was not in the original manuscript... it was added by some fellow who thought he was being helpful.

So what are you talking about? I didn't find any brackets in my Bible.

 

[JohnRabbit]

You surely must take this in a literal sense. I don't. There is much debate on this. I think you don't understand all the things that happened in the wilderness as Israel wanders about. If so then Jesus was a literal stone.

i wanted to come back and properly address what you said here.

you think that i'm taking something in a literal sense?

i'll prove to you that i read the bible.

you say i don't understand what happened in the wilderness!

let me show you what i do know.

Deuteronomy 32:3-4(NKJV)
3 For I proclaim the name of the Lord: Ascribe greatness to our God.
4 He is the Rock, His work is perfect; For all His ways are justice, A God of truth and without injustice; Righteous and upright is He.

i wonder Who is "He".

Deuteronomy 32:18(NKJV)
18 Of the Rock who begot you, you are unmindful, And have forgotten the God who fathered you.

speaking of the other nations around israel, the bible says this:

Deuteronomy 32:31(NKJV)
31 For their rock is not like our Rock, Even our enemies themselves being judges.

Deuteronomy 32:37(NKJV)
37 He will say: ‘Where are their gods, The rock in which they sought refuge?

and this:

2 Samuel 22:2(NKJV)
2And he said: “The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer;

2 Samuel 22:32(NKJV)
32 “For who is God, except the Lord? And who is a rock, except our God? (can't get any clearer than that!)

the bible clearly states that God was the Rock of the people. so when paul writes "4and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ", he declares that it was Jesus.


it's not about "taking the bible literally", rather, studying the bible to get proper meaning.

so, no, Jesus was not a literal stone, but rather, the God that dealt with the COI!

 

[Stryder06]

I didn't vote in this poll, but I'd really like to know why it matters who Moses spoke to.
John 14:8-11

Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Jesus obviously made it clear that there is no character difference between Him and His Father. With that being the case why does it matter if it was the Father that Moses spoke to, or if it was the Son? I personally believe it was Christ because I believe Jesus has always been the One taking a hands on approach with His creation, so to speak.

 

[JohnRabbit]

I think that Ex 24:10 is just as figurative as the finger of God in Ex 31:18, Deut 9:10 and LK 11:20.

God said that He was going to write on the stone tablets and He used His finger to do so and you don't believe what the bible says?

in luke 11, verse 14 says He was casting out a demon. in verse 20, Jesus said He cast the demon out "with the finger of God".

i'm inclined to believe that He simply pointed at the man to cast the demon out!

nothing figurative to me in those verses!

 

[JohnRabbit]

I didn't vote in this poll, but I'd really like to know why it matters who Moses spoke to.
John 14:8-11


Jesus obviously made it clear that there is no character difference between Him and His Father. With that being the case why does it matter if it was the Father that Moses spoke to, or if it was the Son? I personally believe it was Christ because I believe Jesus has always been the One taking a hands on approach with His creation, so to speak.

it matters as to Who God is and that it may help to understand His purpose.

 

[from scratch]

i wanted to come back and properly address what you said here.

you think that i'm taking something in a literal sense?

i'll prove to you that i read the bible.

you say i don't understand what happened in the wilderness!

let me show you what i do know.

Deuteronomy 32:3-4(NKJV)
3 For I proclaim the name of the Lord: Ascribe greatness to our God.
4 He is the Rock, His work is perfect; For all His ways are justice, A God of truth and without injustice; Righteous and upright is He.

i wonder Who is "He".

Deuteronomy 32:18(NKJV)
18 Of the Rock who begot you, you are unmindful, And have forgotten the God who fathered you.

speaking of the other nations around israel, the bible says this:

Deuteronomy 32:31(NKJV)
31 For their rock is not like our Rock, Even our enemies themselves being judges.

Deuteronomy 32:37(NKJV)
37 He will say: ‘Where are their gods, The rock in which they sought refuge?

and this:

2 Samuel 22:2(NKJV)
2And he said: “The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer;

2 Samuel 22:32(NKJV)
32 “For who is God, except the Lord? And who is a rock, except our God? (can't get any clearer than that!)

the bible clearly states that God was the Rock of the people. so when paul writes "4and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ", he declares that it was Jesus.


it's not about "taking the bible literally", rather, studying the bible to get proper meaning.

so, no, Jesus was not a literal stone, but rather, the God that dealt with the COI!

Well I'll be, something substancial from the opposition. I hardly know what to do with myself. Considering Deut 32 I disagree that it is Jesus being spoken of because of the interferance of Israel being the wife of God and not Jesus.

Indeed your verses truely speak of God being the Rock. So it appears you might make me study some more. There is a first for everything.

Now can you establish Who Moses talked with which is the point of the thread?

The point is that God wasn't identifiable in physical form by face per Moses' request. This is also an admission of Moses that he hasn't seen God in an identifiable sense. God told Moses no to whatever Moses had requested in this matter. God's reply doesn't jive with God the Son taking on the form of a man as Jesus unless indeed Jesus isn't God. That I'd never agree with. Jesus is the only One to have seen God.

No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Jn 1:18

Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. I Tim 6:16

No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. I Jn 4:12

These verses agree with God's statement found in Ex 33:20.

So I'm kinda wondering at this time if we aren't chasing a rabbit trail concerning the Rock issue. I'll say a very interesting one though.

 

[from scratch]

I didn't vote in this poll, but I'd really like to know why it matters who Moses spoke to.
John 14:8-11


Jesus obviously made it clear that there is no character difference between Him and His Father. With that being the case why does it matter if it was the Father that Moses spoke to, or if it was the Son? I personally believe it was Christ because I believe Jesus has always been the One taking a hands on approach with His creation, so to speak.

John 14:15 and 15:10 is the chief reason for the question of the thread.

 

[from scratch]

I didn't vote in this poll, but I'd really like to know why it matters who Moses spoke to.
John 14:8-11


Jesus obviously made it clear that there is no character difference between Him and His Father. With that being the case why does it matter if it was the Father that Moses spoke to, or if it was the Son? I personally believe it was Christ because I believe Jesus has always been the One taking a hands on approach with His creation, so to speak.

So are you saying that Jesus is the Father?

 

[JohnRabbit]

Well I'll be, something substancial from the opposition. I hardly know what to do with myself. Considering Deut 32 I disagree that it is Jesus being spoken of because of the interferance of Israel being the wife of God and not Jesus.

Indeed your verses truely speak of God being the Rock. So it appears you might make me study some more. There is a first for everything.

Now can you establish Who Moses talked with which is the point of the thread?

The point is that God wasn't identifiable in physical form by face per Moses' request. This is also an admission of Moses that he hasn't seen God in an identifiable sense. God told Moses no to whatever Moses had requested in this matter. God's reply doesn't jive with God the Son taking on the form of a man as Jesus unless indeed Jesus isn't God. That I'd never agree with. Jesus is the only One to have seen God.

No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Jn 1:18

Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. I Tim 6:16

No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. I Jn 4:12

These verses agree with God's statement found in Ex 33:20.

So I'm kinda wondering at this time if we aren't chasing a rabbit trail concerning the Rock issue. I'll say a very interesting one though.

that's what i'm talking about.

the bible says that they saw God (ex 24:10, who are we to believe, you or the bible?)!

now, if it doesn't fit your standard, then i'll defer to the bible and not you every time!

that's why i said if no one has seen God (jn1:18), and yet the bible says they saw "the God of Israel" (ex 24:10, despite your interpretation), based on what you've been saying, there's a contradiction! (remember? the scripture cannot be broken (jn 10:35)!


2 Peter 1:20(NKJV)
20knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation (or origin),

 

[from scratch]

God said that He was going to write on the stone tablets and He used His finger to do so and you don't believe what the bible says?

in luke 11, verse 14 says He was casting out a demon. in verse 20, Jesus said He cast the demon out "with the finger of God".

i'm inclined to believe that He simply pointed at the man to cast the demon out!

nothing figurative to me in those verses!

The Geneva Study Bible says That is, by the power of God in Ex 8:19 and the KJV says the finger of God. This is the same word in Ex 31:18. So I wonder if the the power of God isn't the intended communication.

 

[from scratch]

that's what i'm talking about.

the bible says that they saw God (ex 24:10, who are we to believe, you or the bible?)!

now, if it doesn't fit your standard, then i'll defer to the bible and not you every time!

that's why i said if no one has seen God (jn1:18), and yet the bible says they saw "the God of Israel" (ex 24:10, despite your interpretation), based on what you've been saying, there's a contradiction! (remember? the scripture cannot be broken (jn 10:35)!


2 Peter 1:20(NKJV)
20knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation (or origin),

OK we have a problem. There seems to be opposing statements that aren't rectified.

 

[JohnRabbit]

OK we have a problem. There seems to be opposing statements that aren't rectified.

what do we do?

 

[Stryder06]

John 14:15 and 15:10 is the chief reason for the question of the thread.

I figured as much. But like I said already, considering that Jesus said that He and the Father are one, it's foolish, honestly, to think that the Father had a set of laws, and then Jesus came and brought with Him his own set of laws, especially considering that Christ said that everything He said was what the Father told Him to say.

So are you saying that Jesus is the Father?

No. That's why I said "character". In other words, the Father wouldn't say/do something that Jesus wouldn't agree with and vice versa.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by from scratch OK we have a problem. There seems to be opposing statements that aren't rectified.

what do we do?

Same thing we have been doing on all these Moses and Law threads....

 

[David64]

OK we have a problem. There seems to be opposing statements that aren't rectified.

The problem is "seems" to you.

Obviously you are wrong but want to change God's words to fit your deformed template.

You can't fit that square peg in that round hole.

 

[David64]

Same thing we have been doing on all these Moses and Law threads....

And that is learn how they all fit together because God is right all the time and we aren't.

So if we think that something in the bible contradicts another part of the Bible it's not the Bible it's us.

 

[JohnRabbit]

I figured as much. But like I said already, considering that Jesus said that He and the Father are one, it's foolish, honestly, to think that the Father had a set of laws, and then Jesus came and brought with Him his own set of laws, especially considering that Christ said that everything He said was what the Father told Him to say.



No. That's why I said "character". In other words, the Father wouldn't say/do something that Jesus wouldn't agree with and vice versa.

i agree.

 

[JohnRabbit]

And that is learn how they all fit together because God is right all the time and we aren't.

So if we think that something in the bible contradicts another part of the Bible it's not the Bible it's us.

here, here!

 

[JohnRabbit]

The Geneva Study Bible says That is, by the power of God in Ex 8:19 and the KJV says the finger of God. This is the same word in Ex 31:18. So I wonder if the the power of God isn't the intended communication.

well, if you want to get that technical, from strong's:


H676 (the word translated "finger" from ex 31:18)

אֶצְבַּע

ʼetsbaʽ

ets-bah'

From the same as H6648 (in the sense of grasping); some thing to seize with, that is, a finger; by analogy a toe:—finger, toe.

something to grasp with looks like a finger to me and not necessarily power.