Who did Moses chat with?

[Lion King]

No God the Father and God the Son aren't one in the sense of both being the same. Yes both are God.

If both are the same then Jesus is a deciever. Consider this - And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.Mat 3:17

A ventriloquist is a deceiver in that he throws his voice. If Jesus is the Father that is what Jesus would be doing. This would be breaking the law which is called sin.

Consider the transfiguration. We have - While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. Mat 17:5

Now how say you that Jesus is the Father?

Did you read what I said? Who said that God and Jesus Christ are the same?

 

[from scratch]

Did you read what I said? Who said that God and Jesus Christ are the same?

What then do you mean by saying They are one?

Saying such is a common tactic to cause some to swallow that Jesus issued the 10 Cs. So what, why or how are are you applying your statement.

The question of the thread is who did Moses talk with. So I assume that you're saying Jesus be saying that God the Father and God the Son are one. If this isn't your intent help me understand what you're trying to say.

 

[Lion King]

What then do you mean by saying They are one?

Saying such is a common tactice to cause some to swallow that Jesus issued the 10 Cs. So what, why or how are are you applying your statement.

The question of the thread is who did Moses talk with. So I assume that you're saying Jesus be saying that God the Father and God the Son are one. If this isn't your intent help me understand what you're trying to say.

By "one", I mean that the Son has the same authority of the Father:

I and my Father are one. John 10:30

Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak to you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwells in me, he does the works. John 14:10



So, when Jesus Christ speaks it is the LORD speaking and vice-versa. Jesus Christ's commands are also God's commands:

He that loves me not keeps not my sayings: and the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. John 14:24

 

[from scratch]

By "one", I mean that the Son has the same authority of the Father:

I and my Father are one. John 10:30

Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak to you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwells in me, he does the works. John 14:10



So, when Jesus Christ speaks it is the LORD speaking and vice-versa. Jesus Christ's commands are also God's commands:

He that loves me not keeps not my sayings: and the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. John 14:24

If that is so then God the Father can't give authority to God the Son because He already has it. Eph 1:22 - And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church.

Your verses still don't show Who Moses spoke to or Who spoke to Moses.

Now read the rest of the chapter you cite. Jesus says He will go to the Father. Jesus prays to the Father. And the Father sends another member of the God head the Hoyl Spirit. And yet Jesus is seated at the right hand of God. Does this mean that the Holy Spirit isn't here teaching us about Jesus? It must be under your presentation.

How can these members of the trinity be the same Thing? Yes they are all 3 God.

 

[Lion King]

If that is so then God the Father can't give authority to God the Son because He already has it. Eph 1:22 - And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church.

Your verses still don't show Who Moses spoke to or Who spoke to Moses.

Now read the rest of the chapter you cite. Jesus says He will go to the Father. Jesus prays to the Father. And the Father sends another member of the God head the Hoyl Spirit. And yet Jesus is seated at the right hand of God. Does this mean that the Holy Spirit isn't here teaching us about Jesus? It must be under your presentation.

How can these members of the trinity be the same Thing? Yes they are all 3 God.

3 God?

To be honest with you, I don't understand your arguments sometimes...and unfortunately, this is one of those times.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Very good except the doctrine of the trinity is monotheistic and not polytheistic.
The Jews have a probelm with this concept even though Gen 1:26 uses the pronouns us and our.

so, why don't you tell us Who moses talked to?

 

[JohnRabbit]

3 God?

To be honest with you, I don't understand your arguments sometimes...and unfortunately, this is one of those times.

that's because he doesn't know what he's talking about!

 

[from scratch]

so, why don't you tell us Who moses talked to?

Sure no problem. It was the speaker in Gen 1:26 and 3:15. If that isn't plain enough, please ask me. It wasn't Jesus.

 

[from scratch]

3 God?

To be honest with you, I don't understand your arguments sometimes...and unfortunately, this is one of those times.

Who said 3 Gods? Not me.

 

[from scratch]

3 God?

To be honest with you, I don't understand your arguments sometimes...and unfortunately, this is one of those times.

Where is Jesus these days? Clue Eph 1:20.

Who is here in our hearts teaching us about Jesus? Clue John 14:26.

Who said this is My beloved Son in Whom I am well pleased at Jesus' baptism?

Who said This is My beloved Son in Whom I am well pleased; hear ye Him at the transfiguration?

Please explain this chain of events - And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Please explain Hebrews 1:1-5.

Who is the Speaker in Gen 3:15?

Who is the Speaker in Ex 33:20?

I can present more questions for your consideration when you deal with these to support my case.

Now you can say all you want that I'm only promoting what I want to hear and that is fine with me. But then I ask how is that no what you're also doing?

Please answer each of my questions without denial or dismissal. IOW tell me Who is the Speaker in Genesis and Exodus. Tell me Whose Son is being talked about in Hebrews. Tell me Who spoke the words from the cloud.

 

[Lion King]

Where is Jesus these days? Clue Eph 1:20.

Heaven.

Who is here in our hearts teaching us about Jesus? Clue John 14:26.

The Holy-Ghost.

Who said this is My beloved Son in Whom I am well pleased at Jesus' baptism?

Who said This is My beloved Son in Whom I am well pleased; hear ye Him at the transfiguration?

God The Father.

Please explain this chain of events - And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Jesus Christ-The Son of God was born of the Holy-Ghost and the virgin Mary.

Please explain Hebrews 1:1-5.

"Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow." 1 Peter 1:10-11

Jesus Christ our LORD spoke through the prophets long before He came down to earth.

Who is the Speaker in Gen 3:15?

Who is the Speaker in Ex 33:20?

God.

I can present more questions for your consideration when you deal with these to support my case.

Now you can say all you want that I'm only promoting what I want to hear and that is fine with me. But then I ask how is that no what you're also doing?

Please answer each of my questions without denial or dismissal. IOW tell me Who is the Speaker in Genesis and Exodus. Tell me Whose Son is being talked about in Hebrews. Tell me Who spoke the words from the cloud.

The Father, The Son and the Holy-Ghost does not equal to "3 God" like you are claiming, but rather one God.

"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord." Mark 12:29

One God, one Kingdom of God.

 

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Heaven.

A half right answer is a wrong answer.

The Holy-Ghost.

God The Father.

Are you sure about both of those answers? I thought it was Jesus after all they both are one and the same. Correct?

Jesus Christ-The Son of God was born of the Holy-Ghost and the virgin Mary.

Jesus is the Son of Who? Did you say God? I thought Jesus is God. Is that wrong? How then can He be the Son of God? I see above that you said very clearly that God the Father called Jesus His son.

Do you see how God the Father and God the Son aren't the same Entity? They are both God. They have different roles, responsibilities and actions.

How does one sit at their own right hand.

Yes this is an issue in understanding John 15:10 and the plan of salvation as God the Father built precept upon precept to provide salvation or redeem fallen mankind. This is a key to understanding the covenants.

"Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow." 1 Peter 1:10-11

Jesus Christ our LORD spoke through the prophets long before He came down to earth.

The Spirit of Christ isn't Christ.

God.

God, Who? God the Father, God the Son or God the Hoyl Spirit?You need to identify one of them to make sense. Otherwise this allows one to conflate the trinity to avoid the truth.

The Father, The Son and the Holy-Ghost does not equal to "3 God" like you are claiming, but rather one God.

I'm not promoting poly theism in the least.

"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord." Mark 12:29

One God, one Kingdom of God.

Certianly. This is a major stumbling block to the Jews. Your MK 12:29 verse is a direct quote from Deut 6:4 and is a true statement.

 

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Did you read what I said? Who said that God and Jesus Christ are the same?

Yes I read every word of your post. Is this not what you said - there is absolutely no difference between them?

 

[Norah63]

hebrews 11:26 on through

 

[Lion King]

Yes I read every word of your post. Is this not what you said - there is absolutely no difference between them?

I was talking about the Laws.

 

[from scratch]

hebrews 11:26 on through

At best all I see is a proof text taken out of context. Chirst is a title and the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew word Messiah. Both can be widely used.

 

[Lion King]

A half right answer is a wrong answer.

huh?

Are you sure about both of those answers? I thought it was Jesus after all they both are one and the same. Correct?

The Holy-Gost aka God's Spirit aka Christ's Spirit.

Jesus is the Son of Who? Did you say God? I thought Jesus is God. Is that wrong? How then can He be the Son of God? I see above that you said very clearly that God the Father called Jesus His son.

Do you see how God the Father and God the Son aren't the same Entity? They are both God. They have different roles, responsibilities and actions.

How does one sit at their own right hand.

Who said otherwise?

Yes this is an issue in understanding John 15:10 and the plan of salvation as God the Father built precept upon precept to provide salvation or redeem fallen mankind. This is a key to understanding the covenants.

Jesus commands are also God's commands. Jesus Christ only speaks what the Father has taught Him.

The Spirit of Christ isn't Christ.

Doesn't the LORD speak through the Holy-Ghost?

God, Who? God the Father, God the Son or God the Hoyl Spirit?You need to identify one of them to make sense.

No, I don't. What do the Scriptures say? Doesn't the word say God?

It doesn't make sense to you because of your strange "3 God" theologies.

Otherwise this allows one to conflate the trinity to avoid the truth.I'm not promoting poly theism in the least.Certianly. This is a major stumbling block to the Jews. Your MK 12:29 verse is a direct quote from Deut 6:4 and is a true statement.

There is one God, and not 3 God or whatever that is....

 

[JohnRabbit]

huh?



The Holy-Gost aka God's Spirit aka Christ's Spirit.



Who said otherwise?



Jesus commands are also God's commands. Jesus Christ only speaks what the Father has taught Him.




Doesn't the LORD speak through the Holy-Ghost?



No, I don't. What do the Scriptures say? Doesn't the word say God?

It doesn't make sense to you because of your strange "3 God" theologies.



There is one God, and not 3 God or whatever that is....

quit wasting your time!

 

[JohnRabbit]

He didn't even teach them (of course you're talking about the "ten") in His ministry according to the record left about Him on the planet.

well, here's the record!!!

Matthew 5:17-19(NKJV)
17“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
18For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
19Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

see, you don't take time out to see what He said.

He came to fulfill. fulfill what? remember what He said to john the baptist?

Matthew 3:15(NKJV)
15But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.

here again, Jesus is talking about fulfilling. and in the instance with john the baptist, He was fulfilling this verse:

Deuteronomy 18:15(NKJV)
15“The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear,

He not only set the example for the christian, He also fulfilled the prophesy of moses, by rising out of the water!

now, in matthew 5, Jesus is fufilling isaiah 42! He's expanding on the spiritual implications of the law, magnifying like most versions put it.

Isaiah 42:21(NKJV)
21 The Lord is well pleased for His righteousness’ sake; He will exalt the law and make it honorable.

Isaiah 42:21(KJV)
21The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness’ sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Isaiah 42:21(ESV)
21 The Lord was pleased, for his righteousness’ sake, to magnify his law and make it glorious.

here's the word for exalt/magnify from strong's:

H1431

גָּדַל

gâdal

gaw-dal'

A primitive root; properly to twist (compare H1434), that is, to be (causatively make) large (in various senses, as in body, mind, estate or honor, also in pride):—advance, boast, bring up, exceed, excellent, be (-come, do, give, make, wax), great (-er, come to . . estate, + things), grow (up), increase, lift up, magnify (-ifical), be much set by, nourish (up), pass, promote, proudly [spoken], tower.

the bible is clear that Jesus did not come to do away with the law of God, rather, it shows that He had things to do concerning the law that He had to fulfill, not just living by the law, but adding to the teaching of the law.

so, for you to say that Jesus did not teach commandments, you could be no more wrong than you are with your reasoning.

bottom line is you can't answer this question:

how can Jesus speak of teaching commandments (mat 5:19) and not teach them Himself? (again, defies logic!)

 

[from scratch]

I was talking about the Laws.

did you post this which I already replied to in post 159? - From Scratch, what you fail to realize is that God and Jesus Christ are one....God's Laws are also Jesus Christ's Laws, there is absolutely no difference between them. The Scriptures speak for themselves.

That doesn't sound like saying anything about laws to me.