Holiness

[LittleLambofJesus]

If i need to mock people all day and teach people that its love, then i don't want to feel welcome.

I am mocked all the time on GT

Be comforted with Psalm 69:9, just as Jesus was silent when the Jews and Romans were mocking Him

Young) Matthew 27:31 and when they had mocked Him, they took off from Him the cloak, and put on Him his own garments, and led Him away to crucify.
Young) Matthew 27:41 And in like manner also the chief priests mocking, with the scribes and elders, said,

Romans 15:3 "For even the Christ not to Himself pleases, but according as it has been written 'the reproaches of those reproaching thee fall on Me'": [Psalm 69:9]

Young) Psalms 69:9 For zeal for Thy house hath consumed me,
and the reproaches of Thy reproachers Have fallen upon me.

 

[Frogster]

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[from scratch]

God wants ALL our hearts and obedience. The rich young ruler was willing to follow God in the commandments, but he wasnt able to follow through with the things that really mattered to him - his wealth.

We have to give Him whatever He wants of us, including the things we don't want to let go of.

Let me see if I have this correct. You display an MJ faith icon and say the commandments. Do I correctly assume that you mean the 10 Cs? If not then what are the commandments?

 

[from scratch]

Lets be reasonable here, you have a valid point, some may think they can get into heaven with works alone, but James said faith without works is dead. He said some say they have faith and some say they have works, but James said he will show his faith by his works. Some people think We can have faith without works and some think they can have works without faith, but it seems to be true that faith without works is not faith at all.

OK, Is it reasonalble that I assume you mean it is Jesus and works that gets a ticket for admission to heaven? You did say some think that works alone gets admittance above.

Next what are these works? James doesn't provide much in the way of meaning the works of the law. In fact he only talks about violation of the law and not good works which follow in the same chapter. He does imply all the works of the law with no violation. So if you violate on part of the law you violate all the law. In the modern world I don't even have to get off the stone tablets (of death - 10 Cs) to prove no one keeps the law.

 

[JRSut1000]

What I'm getting from this type of view is this: Well, we can't be perfect at it so why even bother? God won't care!

That's like saying "I know I can't obey my parents perfectly, so I won't even bother listening to what they've told me to do".

 

[from scratch]

Random question that I can't not ask - why is "the" always highlighted in blue?

What law is spoken of most often in the NT? It is the Torah or Penateuch also know as the law of Moses which includes the 10 Cs. It often has the word the preceding it in the NT. Makes it more like a title. I want it to be known that I'm talking about this law. I simply got tired of people asking which law I was talking about. It has now also become a trade mark so-to-speak.

Thanks for asking.

 

[JRSut1000]

Gotcha, now I understand. THanks!

 

[from scratch]

What I'm getting from this type of view is this: Well, we can't be perfect at it so why even bother? God won't care!

That's like saying "I know I can't obey my parents perfectly, so I won't even bother listening to what they've told me to do".

So where did you get that from? Here? what posts? Or from outside the forum?

It has been discussed here in a couple ways such as mature and complete opposed to flawless as most think of the word. IMHO I think it is one of those unfortunate translations espoecially for today. It may have had a different meaning in the 1600s.

 

[Frogster]

What I'm getting from this type of view is this: Well, we can't be perfect at it so why even bother? God won't care!

That's like saying "I know I can't obey my parents perfectly, so I won't even bother listening to what they've told me to do".

Hi, could you please give a post number to show who says that? Thanks.

What you might be seeing is humility, where people realize law didn't save, and does not sanctify either, lest any flesh can boast.

 

[fhansen]

So where did you get that from? Here? what posts? Or from outside the forum?

It has been discussed here in a couple ways such as mature and complete opposed to flawless as most think of the word. IMHO I think it is one of those unfortunate translations espoecially for today. It may have had a different meaning in the 1600s.

But what do "mature" or "complete" mean, anyway. And how do they differ from "perfect" in your usage? In any case we can be perfect, IMO. The alternative would be that God created us to sin. It's just that we can't be perfect without the grace of the New Covenant- or, to put it another way, without God.

 

[from scratch]

Hi, could you please give a post number to show who says that? Thanks.

What you might be seeing is humility, where people realize law didn't save, and does not sanctify either, lest any flesh can boast.

The guy is a phantom.

 

[from scratch]

But what do "mature" or "complete" mean, anyway. And how do they differ from "perfect" in your usage? In any case we can be perfect, IMO. The alternative would be that God created us to sin. It's just that we can't be perfect without the grace of the New Covenant- or, to put it another way, without God.

There are plenty dictionaries on line if you don't have one. Copy the word and paste it in your searcgh window.

The way I read Scripture that is exactly right. This was necessary to show how much God loved us.

Just read the Bible and pay attention. It might help if you quit listening to the pastor who in most all cases is only telling you what he heard and in some cases is told to parrot. It is rare these days to find a preacher that is studied and knows what he is talking about. Some of them can't even get recorded Bible history correct. One pastor had to prove me wrong to my face and had to apologized with a red face as he read his proof. Not a single one the 150 member congragation ever questioned him except me.

You might pick up on things like Isa 28:10 that I was recently said to take out of context. Or a great verse like Romans 11:32 that will blow your mind. It says very clearly that God committed the Israelites to transgression (sin) so He could show mercy on all mankind. Yeppers that is right, God issued the 10 Cs for the explicit purpose of failure (promoting sin) so He could show (prove) His love. Wait you say that isn't love. No the Scripture also says no one will be without excuse. How God works this out is none our business. Just trust Him to do what He said. There is enough proof that He stands by His word to cause faith (belief).

 

[fhansen]

There are plenty dictionaries on line if you don't have one. Copy the word and paste it in your searcgh window.

The way I read Scripture that is exactly right. This was necessary to show how much God loved us.

Just read the Bible and pay attention. It might help if you quit listening to the pastor who in most all cases is only telling you what he heard and in some cases is told to parrot. It is rare these days to find a preacher that is studied and knows what he is talking about. Some of them can't even get recorded Bible history correct. One pastor had to prove me wrong to my face and had to apologized with a red face as he read his proof. Not a single one the 150 member congragation ever questioned him except me.

You might pick up on things like Isa 28:10 that I was recently said to take out of context. Or a great verse like Romans 11:32 that will blow your mind. It says very clearly that God committed the Israelites to transgression (sin) so He could show mercy on all mankind. Yeppers that is right, God issued the 10 Cs for the explicit purpose of failure (promoting sin) so He could show (prove) His love. Wait you say that isn't love. No the Scripture also says no one will be without excuse. How God works this out is none our business. Just trust Him to do what He said. There is enough proof that He stands by His word to cause faith (belief).

Yes, pastors’ own particular personal perceptions don’t pique my patronage presently. I left a church over individual interpretations by a pastor. His remind me somewhat of your own, come to think of it. Guess he was an original thinker, too.

 

[Nanopants]

Yes, pastors’ own particular personal perceptions don’t pique my patronage presently.

Try saying that 5 times fast.





Well someone had to...

 

[Frogster]

But what do "mature" or "complete" mean, anyway. And how do they differ from "perfect" in your usage? In any case we can be perfect, IMO. The alternative would be that God created us to sin. It's just that we can't be perfect without the grace of the New Covenant- or, to put it another way, without God.

That is what is so awesome about Rom 5. To the degree we were dead, and in total bondage, in flesh, and just born that way, in Adam. We can apply all that to the perfect second Adam, totally perfected, born that way in grace, in that new creation. We couldn't fix adam, we cant fix the new man, it is created righteous, and we are in that sphere now, 5;21.

 

[11822]

About the mocking comment. I was talking about the mocking i see going on here all the time. I wasn't singling anyone out in particular. I know things can be taken the wrong way sometimes and it can be misunderstood to be something its not, but mocking does go on and it shouldn't. Sometimes i take things the wrong way and i shouldn't get offended, my love is still maturing. Having said that, I ask you all to forgive me for saying it. As LLOJ alluded to, i should be happy when i get mocked, if its for the right reason anyway. I get offended to easily sometimes and i am still growing. Many of us are immature, we need to grow more. If anyone think they are mature, just look at Paul, he was mature, he went to Rome ready to die for Jesus, the apostle Paul was stoned and whipped multiple times and he seemed to welcome it with joy. How many of us can say we are truly mature? Not me. Back to holiness and growing in Christ.

 

[11822]

That is what is so awesome about Rom 5. To the degree we were dead, and in total bondage, in flesh, and just born that way, in Adam. We can apply all that to the perfect second Adam, totally perfected, born that way in grace, in that new creation. We couldn't fix adam, we cant fix the new man, it is created righteous, and we are in that sphere now, 5;21.

Yes we can't be perfected in the flesh, but we are supposed to be holy and to do all that is good and forsake all that is bad. Not walking according to the lust of our flesh, but instead in the Spirit. All the while looking towards Jesus as the author and finisher of our faith. Is that accurate frogster?

 

[Frogster]

Yes we can't be perfected in the flesh, but we are supposed to be holy and to do all that is good and forsake all that is bad. Not walking according to the lust of our flesh, but instead in the Spirit. All the while looking towards Jesus as the author and finisher of our faith. Is that accurate frogster?

Sure my brother, if we are walking not ye in the lusts the flesh..that is good.

 

[11822]

Sure my brother, if we are walking not ye in the lusts the flesh..that is good.

Amen.

 

[bugkiller]

Yes, pastors’ own particular personal perceptions don’t pique my patronage presently. I left a church over individual interpretations by a pastor. His remind me somewhat of your own, come to think of it. Guess he was an original thinker, too.

It sure seems that we pick what tickles our ears.

bugkiller