Do You Support Capital Punishment?

[Andy Broadley]

It is not murder if it is legalized, because muder is only unlawful. That doens't make it not wrong to do, it just makes it not murder. It is still killing, and is still apparently against God's law.

Well leaving aside the legal (or otherwise) aspects, I am glad that you agree with me that executions are wrong

 

[Tuddrussell]

Well leaving aside the legal (or otherwise) aspects, I am glad that you agree with me that executions are wrong

I don't, persoanlly I believe we don't do it enough. That being said, it is killing. A human being is killed, that makes it homicide.

No law is broken, that makes it not murder. Murder is a legal term, it doesn't mean BAD KILLING like a lot of people think.

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

It also doesn't call it murder.

(Exodus 20:13) Just to clarify, many versions of the Bible specifically say "murder":

New International Version 1984
Young's Literal Translation
New American Standard Bible
Good News Translation
Today's New International Version

 

[Andy Broadley]

(Exodus 20:13) Just to clarify, many versions of the Bible specifically say "murder":

New International Version 1984
Young's Literal Translation
New American Standard Bible
Good News Translation
Today's New International Version

The KJV (beloved of the Anglican Church) say Thou shalt not KILL

 

[Tuddrussell]

The KJV (beloved of the Anglican Church) say Thou shalt not KILL

So why are you so intent on making it only about one type of illegal killing?

 

[Andy Broadley]

So why are you so intent on making it only about one type of illegal killing?

I'm not

Far from it.

All killing is wrong. State sanctioned and otherwise.

It's just that this thread relates to Capital Punishment and that is the killing we are discussing

 

[Tuddrussell]

Then why are you trying to say that execution is murder? Isn't it good enough that we all agree that it is killing?

 

[Andy Broadley]

Then why are you trying to say that execution is murder? Isn't it good enough that we all agree that it is killing?

It's good enough if we agree that it's wrong, which is what this thread is about after all, so rather than derail things by going off on a tangent, better to stay with the OP

Killing another human being is wrong

 

[FaithLikeARock]

Murder is a legal term. Kill is a human term.

Back on topic please.

 

[Tuddrussell]

Killing another human being is wrong

Except for all the exceptions. Afterall, doesn't the bible have strict orders about who you should kill and why?

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

 

[needinganame]

It is a VERY difficult issue as the teachings of Christ are studied. There are a multitude of examples of sin and forgiveness in the Old and New Testaments. We could open a huge debate over the Book of Law and the New Covenant.

The reality is some hearts are so hard that our desire (duty?) to enlighten is overpowered. While I believe we are Called to find forgiveness and offer the Salvation, there is also the consequence of another sin. In that, I believe there is an obligation to society to protect another victim from brutal murders, rape and pedophilia. I would have to search my heart and the Scriptures where I actually draw the line, but there is definitely sick behavior abounding that could be protected from - and should be in my opinion. And if the crime is that sick, only God knows the truth the criminal speaks whether his defense is an honest account or not.

As for the method, I believe he or she will meet their Judgement and Sentence. So make it swift and painless. Vengeance is not ours.

Capital punishment is not a deterrent or a punishment. It is a solution.

 

[Andy Broadley]

Another factor to consider here is that it is still possible for the wrong person to be convicted of a crime.

People have been released from life sentences for murder, after new evidence showed them to be innocent.

State executions create a very real risk of an innocent person being put to death.

 

[Tuddrussell]

Doesn't matter. It's better for one innocent man to die from being too careful, than a thousand innocent people to be killed by being too lax.

 

[Andy Broadley]

Doesn't matter. It's better for one innocent man to die from being too careful, than a thousand innocent people to be killed by being too lax.

You seriously believe that to be true?

I wonder how you would feel if YOU or a member of your family was that innocent person.

Thats an astounding attitude, even for a Yank

 

[Tuddrussell]

You seriously believe that to be true?

I wonder how you would feel if YOU or a member of your family was that innocent person.

If I was unjustly accused of murder, I would have no objections in doing whatever I had to do to escape.

If I actually was arrested for a murder I commted, I would accept my punishment. Getting caught is a failure I will not accept of myself.

 

[Andy Broadley]

If I was unjustly accused of murder, I would have no objections in doing whatever I had to do to escape.

If I actually was arrested for a murder I commted, I would accept my punishment. Getting caught is a failure I will not accept of myself.

Kinda hard to escape once the state has killed you

 

[Tuddrussell]

Kinda hard to escape once the state has killed you

Which is why you do it before that. DUH.

 

[needinganame]

It's good enough if we agree that it's wrong, which is what this thread is about after all, so rather than derail things by going off on a tangent, better to stay with the OP

Killing another human being is wrong

So Jack the Ripper completed his sentence, was released and bought the house next door. Do you take comfort in your wife's safety?

 

[Andy Broadley]

Which is why you do it before that. DUH.

So...your arguement in favour of the state killing people is that innocent people will have escaped before then?

I bet all the people currently on death row wish they had thought of that one....

 

[Tuddrussell]

No, I will have escaped before then.