The universe at the end of this sentence.

[Selmak]

That's fine. But it's not a good argument against it being done through naturalistic processes such as, say, the big bang or evolution. Because if you don't know how he did it, you can't say that he didn't do it that way. Since god could do it any way he chose, it doesn't bring us any closer to understanding how he did it. It's an unnecessary step in the explanatory process to include it. In the words of Laplace, "Je n'avais pas besoin de cette hypothèse-là."

I see. It may not explain 'how' something occurred, but it sure does explain why.

Do you know 'how' the universe began?

 

[Skaloop]

I see. It may not explain 'how' something occurred, but it sure does explain why.

Not really. "God did it" doesn't explain why he did it.

Do you know 'how' the universe began?

Nope. Can't even say for sure that it did begin.

 

[Greg1234]

Right. Which is why it is not an adequate answer to a "how" question. Even if you accept that the "who" was god, the appropriate response to "how" is not "god did it" but rather "I don't know."

When we convene, refuting materialistic explanations is sufficient. Physical science is not the appropriate field and the how remains beyond its grasp.


geologist: Blood clotting is caused by earthquakes

Micro biologist- No it isn't (earthquake theory refuted)

g- So you think you can just refute my theory? Where's the evidence that your enzymes cause blood clotting. Provide geological evidence.

mb- using your eyes you can see that the process conforms to the enzymatic actions.

g- So thats it?

mb-- thats all that can be given

g- So enzymes did it

mb- yes

g- that's not a seismographic explanation

mb- no it isn't

g- this will not get published in a geography journal

mb- no it wont

g- [something about geography doesnt deal with enzymes, gnomes, fairies and other imaginary beings]

mb- they aren't needed, see the perceptible portion of the blood clotting phenomenon explained in Enzymatic Design.

g- fairies did it. Faries are causing the blood clots

mb- you could call them that if you want.

g- All hail the flying spaghetti monster, king of blood clotting

mb- different name, it doesnt matter. Again see Enzymatic Design

g- no

mb- fine

g- new evidence that earthquakes cause blood clotting

mb- this was refuted.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I see. It may not explain 'how' something occurred, but it sure does explain why.

Do you know 'how' the universe began?

We've looked at the universe and come up with a working idea.

Have you looked at the universe lately?

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

We've looked at the universe and come up with a working idea.

Have you looked at the universe lately?

I think the last time they looked was circa 2,000 BCE.

 

[Selmak]

We've looked at the universe and come up with a working idea.

Have you looked at the universe lately?

Dang, now I'm toe to toe with Mr Poe himself, as I predicted would happen in post 82.

Okay, give me a second, I have to collect myself.

Okay, okay, I think I can proceed.

Yes, I've looked at the universe lately, isn't God's creation magnificent?

 

[Selmak]

Not really. "God did it" doesn't explain why he did it.

Is that necessary?

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Is that necessary?

No, god is not necesarry. You can be good without him!

 

[Nathan Poe]

Dang, now I'm toe to toe with Mr Poe himself, as I predicted would happen in post 82.

Okay, give me a second, I have to collect myself.

I would've been here sooner, but I've been on -- well, let's just call it a hiatus and leave it at that.

Okay, okay, I think I can proceed.

Yes, I've looked at the universe lately, isn't God's creation magnificent?

So, nothing except "Ooo... pretty!"?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Is that necessary?

Some people are happy to stop there -- unfortunately, they're not all that happy with people who don't want to stop there.

Afraid of what they'll find?

 

[pgp_protector]

Some people are happy to stop there -- unfortunately, they're not all that happy with people who don't want to stop there.

Afraid of what they'll find?

Some people don't like others looking behind the curtain.

 

[antde2001]

There are two things about me that need clarification:

1. I only come across as "trashing science" because I address those parts of science that oppose the Bible. If you've known me for any length of time, you'll know that I actually hold science up to a Higher Standard than you guys do; and even claim scientists are gifted to us from God.
2. Half of what I come up with -- I have to. As I have said before, you guys don't ask me what's in the Bible; rather, you gear your questions as to what's not in the Bible, trying to pry a constant chain of "I don't know" answers from us; and I don't go that route. I won't think twice about speculating, to avoid being forced to say, "I don't know." Questions like, 'Where did the waters of the Flood go?' will bring out my artistic side. I think it's disingenuous to ask me such questions, then say that 'half of what I come up with isn't in the Bible at all.' If you can't make me look bad one way, you'll make me look bad another; and believe me, I don't need you guys to look bad; I can do it on my own just fine.

Can't argue that. This thread has reached its end.

 

[Selmak]

I would've been here sooner, but I've been on -- well, let's just call it a hiatus and leave it at that.



So, nothing except "Ooo... pretty!"?

But it is, isn't it? Do you have something more?

 

[Skaloop]

Is that necessary?

No. But you said it did. It doesn't.

 

[Selmak]

Some people are happy to stop there -- unfortunately, they're not all that happy with people who don't want to stop there.

Afraid of what they'll find?

Have they found anything?

 

[Selmak]

Some people don't like others looking behind the curtain.

Bad, pgp, BAD! When did you deconvert?

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Have they found anything?

Nothing but excuses, unsupportable claims and pure fantasy.

 

[pgp_protector]

Bad, pgp, BAD! When did you deconvert?

I haven't deconverted, I just like knowing HOW things happened.

 

[Selmak]

I haven't deconverted, I just like knowing HOW things happened.

So then you DO believe God created the universe?

 

[pgp_protector]

So then you DO believe God created the universe?

Yep, I just like trying to figure out How it happened.