How some creationists pushed me away from christianity

[Jazer]

Hubble confirmed what others already knew.

So you believe in the oral tradition that they say goes back to Moses?

 

[Jazer]

God is made of Spaghetti

That is exactly what the Bible says:
Their God is their belly or their appetite.

"Whose end is destruction,
whose God is their belly, and
whose glory is in their shame,
who mind earthly things"
Philippians 3:19

 

[Insane_Duck]

Only, in the Bible, it's not a "prediction" -- it is a statement of fact.

No.

Not so fast -- you have no idea why I 'disbelieve their prophecies'.

As I have pointed out before, the Scriptures were completed in 96 AD; thus anything after that -- including the Koran -- is not Scripture.

In addition, I also pointed out that Mohammad tried to convince the Christians in his time that he was a prophet of God -- and it didn't work.

When the Christians, who knew their Bibles, accused him of being a false prophet, he had them put to death.

This is why Mohammad was favorable to Christians at first, but later persecuted them.

I know my Bible well enough to know that Mohammad and Joseph Smith and anyone else who professes to be a prophet are either lying or deceived.

Christ also (allegedly) tried to convince the Jewish people that he was the messiah, but that didn't work out did it? The Jews still regard Christians as taking a false lead, just as Christians do to Muslims.

And actually more Christian persecution of the other two groups has happened than monotheists have done to each other.

 

[Insane_Duck]

That is exactly what the Bible says:
Their God is their belly or their appetite.

"Whose end is destruction,
whose God is their belly, and
whose glory is in their shame,
who mind earthly things"
Philippians 3:19

Philippians isn't pirate endorsed cannon.

 

[docpotter]

No one knows how old the earth is , " An evening to the Lord , is like 1, 000 years to a man " . that is in psalms . I can tell you from my personal experience God is 100 % real and alive, and so is Jesus . I was a shaky Christian at best for many years , and my life was a wreck. Nothing helped , or worked. When I really came to the Lord Jesus with every bit of my heart, and began reading the bible passionatly every night , my life turned around 180 degrees.

People in this world will lead you astray , nearly every TV show is anti God , anti creation . Its not easy to be a Christian , and if you came from a God less upbringing, and are concerned about God, Jesus , and what to believe , that is awesome ! God is there if we look hard enough , and with out distraction . God Bless you and keep the faith

 

[Oncedeceived]

No.

Christ also (allegedly) tried to convince the Jewish people that he was the messiah, but that didn't work out did it? The Jews still regard Christians as taking a false lead, just as Christians do to Muslims.

And actually more Christian persecution of the other two groups has happened than monotheists have done to each other.

What in the world are you talking about?

 

[Non sequitur]

Hubble confirmed what others already knew:

Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

Psalm 104:2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Zechariah 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

It's just that Hubble, like a good modern-day scientist would, took the credit; instead of giving God the credit.

I was not aware "stretcheth forth" meant infinitely and consistently expanding, in any way.

When I stretcheth forth my arms, they don't endlessly stretcheth.

 

[Non sequitur]

No one knows how old the earth is , " An evening to the Lord , is like 1, 000 years to a man " . that is in psalms . I can tell you from my personal experience God is 100 % real and alive, and so is Jesus . I was a shaky Christian at best for many years , and my life was a wreck. Nothing helped , or worked. When I really came to the Lord Jesus with every bit of my heart, and began reading the bible passionatly every night , my life turned around 180 degrees.

Pretty sure we have a really good idea.

People in this world will lead you astray , nearly every TV show is anti God , anti creation . Its not easy to be a Christian , and if you came from a God less upbringing, and are concerned about God, Jesus , and what to believe , that is awesome ! God is there if we look hard enough , and with out distraction . God Bless you and keep the faith

It's not easy being an overwhelming majority?

 

[Davian]

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I know that people want to intellectualize God but it seems when you just let Him in without restrictions it works the best.

What other things do you accept without restrictions? Without using your intellect?

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

So...continuing the argument that I had to leave last night for sleep and work...

So then if it is not known....it ain't science.

Since it seems you still have not 'gotten it', let me clarify my position for you. Science is purely concerned with questions that can be answered in an objective, repeatable way. If something is objectively knowable, then it is an answer whose corresponding question can be answered scientifically. Of course, there are things that are unknowable objectively and repeatably. And these are the sort of thing that supernaturalists and theologists (and ethicists, and to some extent artists and musicians, etc.) concern themselves with. The rub is that because these things cannot be elucidated objectively, there is no way to objectively know about them.

No they are test tubes in shoes.

False analogy. Different test tubes don't affect each other. Different test tubes don't increase the probability of a positive result just by being next to each other. Different test tubes (in a well-conducted and controlled experiment at least) have controls and are identical in all ways but the tested variable. Test tubes don't have 'free will', however you choose to define it. Test tubes don't make a virtue out of illogical thinking.

Enough differences for you?

It is. So? What do you think space was stretched out from?

No, it isn't.

Lets try this again. If you ask a Bible question, then your going to get a Bible answer. It is not open for debate or discussion because this is not the board that we talk about that stuff. We are here to talk about Science and how science relates to the Bible.

If you want to bring the Bible into a forum entitled "Physical and Life Sciences", then you will have to accept subjecting it to questioning about the validity of its authority as a source of evidence. And thus far, you have failed miserably. What you use the Bible for as justification in the Christian portions of this forum is up to you and your fellow Christians, but here, I do not see why I can't subject it to the same basic scrutiny that I apply to every other source.

Also, note that I never asked a Bible question, nor did I ask the Bible a question. I asked you questions, questions that are unrelated to the Bible (as far as you have proven). You chose to use the Bible as evidence.

 

[docpotter]

Overwhelming majority ? I think the opposite . How many real , absolute , true Christians do you know ? Anyone can say " I'm a Christian " , does not mean that they are. People should check out the gospel of Matthew , Jesus talks about how MANY will not be saved who claimed to be Christians , it needs to be your top priority over everything . And if you have a skeptical nature, and think men know how old the earth is , and you want to put your trust in men , you may be in a bad way . But if you start to read the bible as if it were the absolute word of God , and have great faith , your life will become much much more awesome . Trust God , Follow Jesus , Pray , and repent . : )

 

[Non sequitur]

Overwhelming majority ? I think the opposite . How many real , absolute , true Christians do you know ? Anyone can say " I'm a Christian " , does not mean that they are.

They all say they are.

And if you have a skeptical nature, and think men know how old the earth is , and you want to put your trust in men , you may be in a bad way . But if you start to read the bible as if it were the absolute word of God , and have great faith , your life will become much much more awesome . Trust God , Follow Jesus , Pray , and repent . : )

May be in what bad way?

My life is immensely more awesome without a god.

 

[docpotter]

oh yes , It is easier im sure lol . Its easy to do whatever you want all the time, i know i used to do that . In a bad way I mean hell is real . I cannot stress that enough . Do you think everyone that has had a very negative " hell " near death experience is a liar , or a nut case? Jesus mentions hell more in the bible then the does heaven , and there is a good reason for that. People want to think God won't send them to hell, I used to think that too. But when you chose to live anyway you want , and deny God all the days of your life, he very well will deny you , and that is what Jesus clearly says in the bible. God needs warriors in the world , not people that are self centered , living for themselves . got to go to bed , hope to continue talking later : )

 

[Non sequitur]

oh yes , It is easier im sure lol . Its easy to do whatever you want all the time, i know i used to do that . In a bad way I mean hell is real . I cannot stress that enough .

Don't you put your trust in man when you go to the doctor or drive your vehicle?

Do you think everyone that has had a very negative " hell " near death experience is a liar , or a nut case?

No.

I think their brain made them experience something or they were a nut case.

Jesus mentions hell more in the bible then the does heaven , and there is a good reason for that.

I was not aware of that.

People want to think God won't send them to hell, I used to think that too.

Sending people to hell is not very nice.

But when you chose to live anyway you want , and deny God all the days of your life, he very well will deny you , and that is what Jesus clearly says in the bible. God needs warriors in the world , not people that are self centered , living for themselves .

I wonder why he cares whether or not I deny him because I never see or talk to him.

got to go to bed , hope to continue talking later : )

Night.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Please use paragraphs. And please familiarize yourself with common grammatical rules.

oh yes , It is easier im sure lol . Its easy to do whatever you want all the time, i know i used to do that . In a bad way I mean hell is real . I cannot stress that enough . Do you think everyone that has had a very negative " hell " near death experience is a liar , or a nut case? Jesus mentions hell more in the bible then the does heaven , and there is a good reason for that. People want to think God won't send them to hell, I used to think that too. But when you chose to live anyway you want , and deny God all the days of your life, he very well will deny you , and that is what Jesus clearly says in the bible. God needs warriors in the world , not people that are self centered , living for themselves . got to go to bed , hope to continue talking later : )

This is a "No true Scotsman" fallacy.

Also: it is untrue to say that without ultimate accountability for their actions people will generally tend towards immoral behavior. Accordingly, nor is the converse true. If we assume that in general the law is a good approximation to what we feel is 'right' and 'wrong', then this would mean that there should be a disproportionate representation of atheists and agnostics in prison. Yet this is not true. In fact, I believe that from the last available data, the opposite is true.

I acknowledge that as atheism/agnosticism is also associated with increased socioeconomic level, this may be a confounder. However, if your argument were valid, then this would not matter.

Also, in regards to near death experiences: you might want to do some reading in regards to the angular gyrus of the brain, and contemplate the fact that some people who have epileptic disorders that affect this area coincidentally experience out-of-body experiences every time they suffer a seizure, and that electrode stimulation of this area can reproduce the same effect.

Overwhelming majority ? I think the opposite . How many real , absolute , true Christians do you know ? Anyone can say " I'm a Christian " , does not mean that they are. People should check out the gospel of Matthew , Jesus talks about how MANY will not be saved who claimed to be Christians , it needs to be your top priority over everything . And if you have a skeptical nature, and think men know how old the earth is , and you want to put your trust in men , you may be in a bad way . But if you start to read the bible as if it were the absolute word of God , and have great faith , your life will become much much more awesome . Trust God , Follow Jesus , Pray , and repent . : )

I would rather place my trust in the scientific literature than in a document of which (as I have stated before) I have not seen any compelling evidence to regard as anything other than historical anecdotes, parables, and interesting rumours.

 

[Jazer]

People want to think God won't send them to hell

God has shown me many times that He is a God of Justice and He will balance the scales so everyone gets exactly what they have coming to them. Whosoever we sow, that also shall we reap.

 

[Jazer]

I would rather place my trust in the scientific literature than in a document of which (as I have stated before) I have not seen any compelling evidence to regard as anything other than historical anecdotes, parables, and interesting rumours.

Really, no evidence? Perhaps you should pray for God to take the scales off your eyes so you can see. I have seen lots and lots and lots of evidence.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Then do the right thing and show it to me also.

 

[selfinflikted]

Really, no evidence? Perhaps you should pray for God to take the scales off your eyes so you can see. I have seen lots and lots and lots of evidence.

It really bugs me when people say to do this. I tried this for years, but nothing ever came of it.

 

[David Evarts]

Then what would you say to someone who pursued god for years and was left empty handed?

I'd be curious about their experience. What questions did you ask? What answers were unfulfilling? What was the God you were seeking like? Can you tell me more about your quest?

Best to you.