legalism

[from scratch]

God does change things. Mal 3:6 and Heb 13:8 refer to God's character and not His program. Examine the record very closely and one must come to this conclusion.

 

[RABBIT-HUNTER]

this is probably the weakest response to me to date!

for a guy who once told me that he "could state my position for me", these are some powerfully weak answers!

when one verse is clearly talking about a law that's spiritual (rom 7:14) and another verse is talking about a law that's fleshly or physical (heb 9:10), it amazes me that from scratch has nothing!

you said you couldn't make a connection! amazing!

and you made it clear that you do refuse to answer the questions i posed. (and maybe that's because you've got nothing!)

so that the record will be straight, i am going back to look.

i will come back and list all of the questions i've asked you, that you still haven't answered, to this day, so the record can show for itself.

Again, I don't understand why you have difficulty, seeing how the spiritual law has power and it creates an opposite reaction to the very command it issues. This can be seen even in basic child psychology. "Billy, don't play with the knife!" What will little Billy want to do?

 

[from scratch]

Well if you believe that God changes, I guess he could make up a whole new set of laws...Paul calls the law Holy, Just and Good. If the law is Holy, Just and Good, then why a need for a new law. The bible just states that he will make a new covenant or agreement with his people...Nothing about a new law.

Obviouusly it isn''t believed that this was the program from before the foundation of the world and that God is winging it in the unfolding of salvation. Isa 28:10 establishes the method of what seems to be madness. Here is the verse - For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

 

[from scratch]

ok, while indivisibility is on the table ...

care to explain these verses to me so i can understand like you?

(rom 7:14) (heb 9:10)

i would love to see what you have to say?

After you.

 

[from scratch]

this is probably the weakest response to me to date!

for a guy who once told me that he "could state my position for me", these are some powerfully weak answers!

Well than you for the fine compliment. I agree that my weak answers are very powerful.

 

[cyberlizard]

God does change things. Mal 3:6 and Heb 13:8 refer to God's character and not His program. Examine the record very closely and one must come to this conclusion.

yet his programme is borne out of his character. his programme is a visible representation of the way He works.


Steve

 

[JohnRabbit]

I don't understand why you don't see, that the spiritual law, that you ask about in 7:14, was that which made sin work in Paul, sin and law work in conjunction.

say what?

what has that got to do with what i posed to scratch?

 

[JohnRabbit]

After you.

i thought i was asking you?

am i supposed to ask the question and answer it too?

again, can you not answer a simple question i ask you?

 

[JohnRabbit]

Well than you for the fine compliment. I agree that my weak answers are very powerful.

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yeah, you're right. powerfully weak!

and if you think that's a compliment, then more power to you.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Again, I don't understand why you have difficulty, seeing how the spiritual law has power and it creates an opposite reaction to the very command it issues. This can be seen even in basic child psychology. "Billy, don't play with the knife!" What will little Billy want to do?

so when God says "thou shalt not steal", we automatically want to go out and steal?

that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard!

 

[from scratch]

Well than you for the fine compliment. I agree that my weak answers are very powerful.

yeah, you're right. powerfully weak!

and if you think that's a compliment, then more power to you.

Why yes I fully understand your derogatory destructive comment very well. Just thought I would have some fun with you and turn it into something good. It seems to me that you're so empty and ideas are so defenseless that the only thing you can do is degrade someone. Jesus called this murder.

 

[JohnRabbit]

The ilk doesn't see the law as a bunch of rules. The ilk sees the law as the OC issued at Sinai and isn't any longer inforce curtesy of Jesus, Who said the NC is current in His blood - Mat 26:28,MK 14:24 and LK 22:20. The law is a single undivisible unit per James in 2:10-11 as well as Paul in Gal 3:10, 5:4 where he says it is either or, one can't have both salvation and the law.

so the law is the covenant? (rhetorical question, don't require you to answer, i know you'll be happy about that)

you don't believe that the law of God expresses "His Ways" (deut 8:6, deut 26:17)?

 

[JohnRabbit]

Why yes I fully understand your derogatory destructive commane very well. Just thought I would have some fun with you and turn it into something good. It seems to me that you're so empty and ideas are so defenseless that the only thing you can do is degrade someone. Jesus called this murder.

dude,

i was only funning back, lighten up.

if i offended you, then i apologize.

 

[from scratch]

so when God says "thou shalt not steal", we automatically want to go out and steal?

that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard!

Perhaps, but you're not considering the point of temptation called opportunity.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Perhaps, but you're not considering the point of temptation called opportunity.

help me to understand!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

yet his programme is borne out of his character. his programme is a visible representation of the way He works.

Steve

One cannot help but love my bro Saul/Paul and his bro John.
http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

Young) Colossians 1:16 because in Him were the all things created/ektisqh <2936> (5681), those in the heavens and those upon the earth, those visible and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities.
All things through Him, and for Him have been created,
23 if also ye remain in the faith, being founded and settled, and not moved away from the hope of the good news, which ye heard, which was preached in all the creation/ktisei <2937> that [is] under the heaven, of which I became--I Paul--a ministrant.

Young) Romans 1:25 who did change the truth of God into a falsehood, and did honour and serve the creature/ktisei <2937> rather than the Creator, Who is blessed to the ages. Amen.

Young) Revelation 5:13 and every creature/ktisma <2938> that is in the heaven, and in the earth, and under the earth, and the things that are upon the sea, and the all things in them, heard I saying, `To Him who is sitting upon the throne, and to the Lamb, [is] the blessing, and the honour, and the glory, and the might--to the ages of the ages!'

 

[JohnRabbit]

i would like for frogster and from scratch to answer the questions i posed in post #63.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

0]i would like for frogster and from scratch to answer the questions i posed in post #63.[/color]

We all 3 talk the same lingo

http://www.christianforums.com/t7572386-76/#post57901805
3 stooges vs the 3 amigos

 

[Frogster]

It does not say the law was nailed to the cross... I think Johnrabbit spelled that out clearly and I did in my post...

Dude, why not just admit it?..Hey..rabbit posted em!



New International Version (©1984)
having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.


English Standard Version (©2001)
by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.


New American Standard Bible (©1995)
having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.


International Standard Version (©2008)
having erased the charges that were brought against us, along with their obligations that were hostile to us. He took those charges away when he nailed them to the cross.


Lets not forget Tyndale, rabbit did indeed quote the KJV, talking about written. Soooo we got WITH and tyndale, allll unfinished biz here.

My King James. Tyndale!Col 2:14 and hath put out the obligation that was against us, made in the law written, and that hath he taken out of the way, and hath fastened it on his cross,

 

[Frogster]

i would like for frogster and from scratch to answer the questions i posed in post #63.

I am still waiting for u to tell me what WITH means.