Noah's Ark (2)

[Insane_Duck]

Um ... no.

Um... yes.

Religious text - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The oldest known religious texts are Pyramid texts of Ancient Egypt that date to 2400-2300 BCE although there are older quasi-religious texts that indicate a religious undertone without specifying the actual incantations performed (e.g. the Sumerian "Locust Charm" text that is a listing of someone clearing out pests from various people's fields). The Epic of Gilgamesh from Sumeria is also one of the earliest literary works dating to 2150-2000 BCE, that includes various mythological figures . The Rigveda of Hinduism is proposed to have been composed between 1700–1100 BCE[1] making it possibly the world's oldest religious text still in use. The oldest portions of the Zoroastrian Avesta are believed to have been transmitted orally for centuries before they found written form, and although widely differing dates for Gathic Avestan (the language of the oldest texts) have been proposed, scholarly consensus floats at around 1000 BCE.[citation needed]
The Torah—the first five books of the Tanakh—is believed by some scholars to have been written by Moses around 1440 BC, the suspected date of The Exodus from Egypt[2].
The first scripture printed for wide distribution to the masses was The Diamond Sutra, a Buddhist scripture, and is the earliest recorded example of a dated printed text, bearing the Chinese calendar date for 11 May 868 CE.[3]

 

[Insane_Duck]

Double post.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Why does what matter?

(Please slow down ... you posted this before I even had a chance to completely edit my post.)

It doesn't matter -- I believe He completely orchestrated the Flood from the beginning to beyond the aftermath.

What?

1. Where did you edit your post?
2. That's great.
3. You are putting forth a method God could use to flood the earth, which is as useless as speculating whether Jesus could use quantum mechanics to multiply food.

 

[AV1611VET]

Um... yes.

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Genesis 1 could have been written in BC 4003 -- certainly not beyond BC 3074.

These Pyramid Texts came afterward.

 

[Jazer]

I've a rock on my porch that is 270 million years old. It's pretty irrelevant, bro.

It is not irrelevant to me because it tells a story about the earth 270 million years ago.

 

[AV1611VET]

1. Where did you edit your post?

Before:

I believe that God took the waters back off the earth, like He did in Genesis 1 to form the water canopy -- or possible giant ice cube in space, whatever shape it was.

Anyway, I believe that God took the waters back off the earth, including most of the waters from 'the fountains of the deep', along with some debris, and placed them elsewhere in our solar system, to serve as a "reminder" to other angels of what happened the year of the Flood.

Paul says that we entertain angels unaware, and that tells me that angels walk this earth incognito; and I would venture to say they have a cosmic reminder of what happened, just in case any of them get any ideas.

The dove that bringing back the olive leaf, tells me that God "hypergrew" the earth again, just as He did in Genesis 1 -- and that the earth was green once more.

Again, this is pure speculation on my part.

After:

I believe that God took the waters back off the earth, like He did in Genesis 1 when He formed the water canopy -- or possibly a giant ice cube in space, whatever shape it was.

Anyway, I believe that God took the waters back off the earth, including most of the waters from 'the fountains of the deep', along with some debris, and placed them elsewhere in our solar system, to serve as a "reminder" to other angels of what happened the year of the Flood.

Paul says that we entertain angels unaware, and that tells me that angels walk this earth incognito; and I would venture to say they have a cosmic reminder of what happened, just in case any of them get any ideas.

The dove bringing back the olive leaf, tells me that God "hypergrew" the earth again, just as He did in Genesis 1 -- and that the earth was green once more.

Again, this is pure speculation on my part.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Genesis 1 could have been written in BC 4003 -- certainly not beyond BC 3074.

These Pyramid Texts came afterward.

That's nice AV.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Before:

After:

... Wait, why is that relevant?

 

[Inan3]

God changed the depth of the oceans? That change doesn't happen natural over 3,000 years, so God must have done it with divine power. This really doesn't advance anything at all.

It's still (to borrow a term) GODDIDIT.

Well, you know it is HIS earth!! You might's well face it, Crazy.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter how it happened. God knows and one day we'll know.

 

[Jazer]

It's a made-up, and untrue story!

I have a ton of evidence to show the Bible is true. You have NO evidence to show the Bible is not true. My belief that the Bible is true is back up by lots and lots and lots of scientific evidence. Your belief that the Bible is not true is backed up by nothing. I have no reason to believe you, because you have not given me any evidence to show what your saying is true.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Well, you know it is HIS earth!! You might's well face it, Crazy.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter how it happened. God knows and one day we'll know.

The key to this discussion's pointlessness.

So tell me? What have you to back up the red claims?

 

[Insane_Duck]

I have a ton of evidence to show the Bible is true. You have NO evidence to show the Bible is not true. My belief that the Bible is true is back up by lots and lots and lots of scientific evidence. Your belief that the Bible is not true is backed up by nothing. I have no reason to believe you, because you have not given me any evidence to show what your saying is true.

Give me one. I dare you.

And you might want to check out this:

When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim

Philosophic burden of proof - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Jazer]

Anyway, it doesn't really matter how it happened. God knows and one day we'll know.

It is amazing how much He has shown us and continues to teach us everyday "about how it happened." Universities have librarys full of books to show us "how it happened". Even some people believe evolution shows us how God did what He did.

 

[AV1611VET]

Give me one. I dare you.

And you might want to check out this:

Philosophic burden of proof - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Burdens of proof can take a hike -- faith is believing something, even when science says otherwise, or no evidence exists.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Burdens of proof can take a hike -- faith is believing something, even when science says otherwise, or no evidence exists.

I'm afraid to tell you AVET, you may have caught something nasty:

Meme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Jazer]

Give me one. I dare you.

Ijust gave an example in another post. The foundation is still in Jerusalem for Solomons temple. So that is evidence that the temple did exist as the Bible says it did. The wall in Jericho are still there. Just like we read about in our Bible and teach our children in their sunday school class. I took some teacher training classes at the Bible college. Do you really think those Bible stories that we teach out kids are not true? There is lots of scientific evidence to back up the Bible. There is lots of evidence in the DNA to back up the geneologys in the Bible. It's a lot more scientific accurate then you seem to think it is.

What do you know about the history of the wheel? Do you know you can read about the Hittites and other early people who had chariots? How much information do you think you can find about these ancient people outside of the Bible? You can go to Egypt and read their history about the ancient people, and the various battles they had. That along with what we learn from the Hebrews gives us quite a bit of information.

 

[Orogeny]

It is not irrelevant to me because it tells a story about the earth 270 million years ago.

Yeah? What's it telling you?

 

[AV1611VET]

Ijust gave an example in another post.

I think he's in vent mode now, bro -- the true colors are starting to show through, and he's asking less questions and making more spurious remarks.

 

[Jazer]

Burdens of proof can take a hike -- faith is believing something, even when science says otherwise, or no evidence exists.

I have personal evidence for my faith. I did what the Bible said to do and I got the results the Bible said I would get. In some cases it took me years to learn how to trust God and that He would deliver on what He says He will deliver on. If we do our part, then we can be sure that God will do His part. I think that is what they call covenant theology.

 

[Jazer]

Yeah? What's it telling you?

Show me the rock. Is it a conglomerate rock? If it is then what broke the rock down and what joined it back together again? I do not understand why you think geology is irrelevant. Perhaps your rock is limestone and it was a living organism at one time. I talk to people who work in cement for a living and have no idea that lime is an organic material. Is your rock broken with jagged edges or has it been weathered. Did it come out of a river bed? Is it a sand stone, did the waves of a ocean create it? Perhaps it is volcanic. Or is it quartz or marble or granite and a part of the origional crust of the earth.