Noah's Ark (2)

[Insane_Duck]

I agree that there is evidence that confirms what the Bible says but even if there was none to be seen, the Bible is still true. We don't need any natural evidence to prove the veracity of the Word of God. I never came to God because of science. I came by faith and if ALL of modern day science was contrary to the word of God, that would not change my faith and belief and confidence that God's word is true!! God's word and NOT science is the PLUMBLINE I use for ALL other data or facts etc. and if they don't line up with the PLUMBLINE than I have to adjust them and not the PLUMBLINE.

How do you know that the bible is the word of God? How do you know you have faith in the right God? (or concept)

 

[Insane_Duck]

Yes, Creation of the Hebrew people. Actually the Hebrews and the Arabs BOTH call upon Abraham as their founding father. Science tells us that the Y chromosome DNA of the Hebrew and the Arab is identical. Of course the Mitchrondal DNA is different because the Arabs are decended from Hagar a Egyptan. What some people would call a slave. I just did a study about the southern states as to what happened to a slave child when the slave owners was the father. I have been told that a lot of the mulatto and quadrums ended up in places like Charleston. Usually the father gave them their freedom, but he was not required by law to set them free. That is a lot of the reason why we had a civil war. A quandrum could be only one forth black and yet still a slave by law if the mother was a slave. To get back to the story of Abraham, the Hebrews were a decendant of Abrahams union with his wife. Now, you have two child, one from the free women and one from the women of bondage. You can take this sunday school story to the adults and there is a lot they can learn from it. What it means to be a child of bondage and what it means to be free.

Can you prove Hagar or Abraham existed? Or that Hebrews or Jews carry their genetic line?

 

[Skaloop]

The Bible never claims that pi equals three. What it does claim, in 2 Chronicles 4"2, is that a bronze cistern in Solomon's temple was 10 cubits across and 30 cubits around. If you ask any architect or engineer even today, they will tell you that a calculated value cannot be any more precise than the measured values it was calculated from, no matter how precisely he coefficient can be evaluated. If I measure in whole feet, my calculated values must be rounded to the nearest whole foot, and if I measure in tens of cubits, my calculated values must be rounded to the nearest ten cubits. So, given the description in the Bible, that it was roughly 10 cubits across, a modern engineer or architect would tell that it was roughly 30 cubits around.

So God is limited by significant figures. Gotcha.

And they're measuring something that is ten cubits using a unit of ten cubits? So it could be anywhere from 5 to 14 cubits (according to your description)? More likely they'd be measuring in cubits, and rounding to the nearest cubit. So ten cubits diameter would be 31 cubits around, not 30.

I agree that the whole "pi=3" argument to show Biblical errors is a pretty weak one (considering the other more damaging ones), but not for the reasons you describe.

 

[Inan3]

How do you know that the bible is the word of God? How do you know you have faith in the right God? (or concept)

Because it works. Because it comes true. Because it changes peoples lives. Because it's alive. Because I can talk with Him. Because He talks to me. Because He changed my life. Because He's there. Because I believe it and I met Him. Because because because.

 

[Jazer]

How do you know that the bible is the word of God? How do you know you have faith in the right God? (or concept)

I do what the Bible says to do and I get the results the Bible says I will get. If you ever study any covenant theology we know that when we do our part, God will do His part. I tried everything else I could find, and nothing worked. Then I tried the Bible and it worked for me. Only the Bible had the answers and solutions I was looking for. I had been raised to trust in science. But science had no answers and science had no solutions for me.

 

[Jazer]

So God is limited by significant figures. Gotcha.

God is limited by what is good and pure and right and true.
He can not do evil and He can not do wrong. He does not make mistakes.

 

[Hespera]

So God is limited by significant figures. Gotcha.

And they're measuring something that is ten cubits using a unit of ten cubits? So it could be anywhere from 5 to 14 cubits (according to your description)? More likely they'd be measuring in cubits, and rounding to the nearest cubit. So ten cubits diameter would be 31 cubits around, not 30.

I agree that the whole "pi=3" argument to show Biblical errors is a pretty weak one (considering the other more damaging ones), but not for the reasons you describe.

I dont call it an error. I dont think it is an error.

But it is an approximation.

And if the bible is only approximately right in one place, how about others?

How approximate is approximate? 2% error? 50%? 93%

Dangerous turf there, no wonder people will do anything to hold the line and not admit its only approximate.

 

[Hespera]

God is limited by what is good and pure and right and true.
He can not do evil and He can not do wrong. He does not make mistakes.

You know this.

and when he sends an angel to kill babies that is defined as good coz he did it.

 

[Hespera]

You and Crazy Duck should talk!


Not proven.


The Bible does not teach that Pi is 3. You can not show that to us anywhere.

Not proven.

Denial wont change things. you may be ignorant of what geologists can show you... in fact i know you are...but yes, proven.

The Bible does not teach that Pi is 3. You can not show that to us anywhere

I didnt say the bible 'teaches that Pi is three"

It does tho show that the value of Pi is 3 if you believe the other numbers it gives. its like it tells you there were two dogs and two cats, and you can figure for yourself that makes four animals.

Its a shorthand way of pointing out that it gives impossible dimensions.
IF the dimensions were accurate, simple math shows that Pi would be three.

tho one can always go for denial here too.

The point of it is that the bible is only approximately correct there. Leaving open the question of how many other places are how approximate.

 

[Inan3]

Pi equals 3?

No Pi equals 3.14etc

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30 cubits = 3.14 ·

30 cubits ÷ 3.14 =

= 30 cubits ÷ 3.14

= 9.5541401273885350318471337579618

Now add a rim of 0.2229299363057324840764331210195 and you will have 10 cubits from brim to brim. How hard is that to figure out, Hespera? Simple equation and design.

2Ch 4:2 Also he made a molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and five cubits the height thereof; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

 

[Insane_Duck]

I do what the Bible says to do and I get the results the Bible says I will get.

What results?

If you ever study any covenant theology we know that when we do our part, God will do His part.

Covenant theology based on the bible?

I tried everything else I could find, and nothing worked. Then I tried the Bible and it worked for me. Only the Bible had the answers and solutions I was looking for. I had been raised to trust in science. But science had no answers and science had no solutions for me.

That's great and all, but it won't go anywhere towards convincing anyone. Many would report the opposite results for atheism, science, and other religions. Including me.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Because it works. Because it comes true. Because it changes peoples lives. Because it's alive. Because I can talk with Him. Because He talks to me. Because He changed my life. Because He's there. Because I believe it and I met Him. Because because because.

Replace it with Allah, Vishnu, Zeus, Thor, or any other God or God concept and you'll see the quality of the proof you're providing. This is all both subjective and personal.

 

[Inan3]

Replace it with Allah, Vishnu, Zeus, Thor, or any other God or God concept and you'll see the quality of the proof you're providing. This is all both subjective and personal.

Nope none of those gods are like the one true God. They are all lies. You obviously don't know what you are talking about in this regard.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Nope none of those gods are like the one true God. They are all lies. You don't know what you are talking about in this regard.

Muslims, and Hindus would disagree with you. They make the same claim, but in reverse. And until you back any of this up with some hard evidence besides anecdotal and subjective personal belief, your claims stays just as unsubstantiated as theirs.

 

[Inan3]

Muslims, and Hindus would disagree with you. They make the same claim, but in reverse. And until you back any of this up with some hard evidence besides anecdotal and subjective personal belief, your claims stays just as unsubstantiated as theirs.

No they cannot!! They do not have a loving Father who talks with them. They do not have a Saviour who died for them. They do not have the Holy Spirit who leads them. They do not have the power of the universe working inside of them. Their gods do not have a personal and loving relationship with them. Nope .... not the same at all!!

 

[Insane_Duck]

No they cannot!! They do not have a loving Father who talks with them.

Most would say the opposite. Evidence?

They do not have a Saviour who died for them.

And you do? Evidence?

They do not have the Holy Spirit who leads them.

They do not have the power of the universe working inside of them.

Their gods do not have a personal and loving relationship with them.

Evidence? For any of these claims?

Nope .... not the same at all!!

I'm seriously worried if you can't see the problem with this line of reasoning.

 

[Inan3]

Most would say the opposite. Evidence?


And you do? Evidence?

Evidence? For any of these claims?


I'm seriously worried if you can't see the problem with this line of reasoning.

Well, cast all your cares on the Lord ... that's what I do. He cares for me and tells me not to worry... so I don't.

 

[Jazer]

What results?

There are many many many promises in the Bible. For example God know that seeking food, shelter and clothing can take up a lot of our time. So He tells us to seek the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and then He will provide for all we need.

"For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you."

 

[Greg1234]

Replace it with Allah, Vishnu, Zeus, Thor, or any other God or God concept

Redundancy. Different names, same thing.

 

[Inan3]

What results?


Covenant theology based on the bible?


That's great and all, but it won't go anywhere towards convincing anyone. Many would report the opposite results for atheism, science, and other religions. Including me.

That's just what I would expect "Opposite" results!! ... but it that's what you want.