Why Christian not allowed eat to pig?

[PROPHECYKID]

Actually it says that against no law against such.

Make sense out of that sentence. I made sense out of mine. If you disagree thats fine but I can't understand that sentence. Against no law against such? If we are to make that meaningful wont it mean, no law against such?

 

[Ishraqiyun]

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,

International Standard Version (©2008)
He rendered the law inoperative, along with its commandments and regulations, thus creating in himself one new humanity from the two, thereby making peace

Isn't "don't eat pork" one the "laws of commandments" that have been abolished according to Paul?

 

[PROPHECYKID]

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,

International Standard Version (©2008)
He rendered the law inoperative, along with its commandments and regulations, thus creating in himself one new humanity from the two, thereby making peace

Isn't "don't eat pork" one the "laws of commandments" that have been abolished according to Paul?

Look at the KJV or even the NASB that you used. Handwriting or ordinances or laws contained in ordinances. They both tell you that those laws pertain to ordinances. Compare vs 17 in the same chapter to Hebrews 10: 1 & 2. The law had a shadow of things to come in relation to the sacrifices (ordinances) offered years upon year. The scripture is not passing a large brush over every single law that exists but it is narrowing in the the sacrificial system which was a foreshadow of the work of Christ on the cross and as high priest thereafter. The laws within the handwriting of ordinances or the laws pertaining to those ordinances, or the laws contained in those ordinances are the laws referenced, and not every single law that God gave.

 

[INTJ-F]

God said eating swine is an abomination to Him. Anyone who claims they can now eat swine is changing God into THEIR image of Him instead of obeying what He wants us to do. People who change the word of God to justify continuing in their sins will be in a place I would not want to be on judgment day.

 

[ricker]

Look at the KJV or even the NASB that you used. Handwriting or ordinances or laws contained in ordinances. They both tell you that those laws pertain to ordinances. Compare vs 17 in the same chapter to Hebrews 10: 1 & 2. The law had a shadow of things to come in relation to the sacrifices (ordinances) offered years upon year. The scripture is not passing a large brush over every single law that exists but it is narrowing in the the sacrificial system which was a foreshadow of the work of Christ on the cross and as high priest thereafter. The laws within the handwriting of ordinances or the laws pertaining to those ordinances, or the laws contained in those ordinances are the laws referenced, and not every single law that God gave.

Don't you think if God through Paul meant such a convoluted, picky thing, He would have explained it a little clearer?

What is explained very clearly in the NT is that we are not under the law, there is no more clean an unclean, we may eat whatever we want from the meat market, it is not what goes into us that makes us unclean, What God has now cleaned, do not say is unclean, etc,. etc.

 

[ricker]

God said eating swine is an abomination to Him. Anyone who claims they can now eat swine is changing God into THEIR image of Him instead of obeying what He wants us to do. People who change the word of God to justify continuing in their sins will be in a place I would not want to be on judgment day.

God said all animals and meat are now clean. We aren't changing the word of God, some people choose to ignore it.

 

[Incariol]

God said eating swine is an abomination to Him. Anyone who claims they can now eat swine is changing God into THEIR image of Him instead of obeying what He wants us to do. People who change the word of God to justify continuing in their sins will be in a place I would not want to be on judgment day.

Yes, yes, and "lawlessness" and all that, and we're going to burn in hell. You'd be much more effective if you addressed what others said instead of repeating essentially "Those who do not obey the Old Covenant Laws will be considered lawless and burn in hell." over and over.

 

[MamaZ]

Make sense out of that sentence. I made sense out of mine. If you disagree thats fine but I can't understand that sentence. Against no law against such? If we are to make that meaningful wont it mean, no law against such?

against the fruit of the Spirit there is NO law. Thank you for pointing that out to me cuz it made no sense to me either. I apologize.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

against the fruit of the Spirit there is NO law. Thank you for pointing that out to me cuz it made no sense to me either. I apologize.

Yes I totally agree with that. Against the fruits of the spirit: love, joy etc, there is no law. In other words, no one of the laws that God will give can be against the fruits of the spirit, or else God would be a hypocrite.

 

[MamaZ]

Actaully if we are walking in the Spirit we are not under any jurisdiction of any law. Such as what we eat and what we do not eat. Food does not make a person clean or unclean in Christ.

 

[INTJ-F]

Originally Posted by MamaZ

against the fruit of the Spirit there is NO law. Thank you for pointing that out to me cuz it made no sense to me either. I apologize.
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Yes I totally agree with that. Against the fruits of the spirit: love, joy etc, there is no law. In other words, no one of the laws that God will give can be against the fruits of the spirit, or else God would be a hypocrite.

So exactly where does this say it is now acceptable to God to eat something He repeatedly calls an abomination to eat?

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Actaully if we are walking in the Spirit we are not under any jurisdiction of any law. Such as what we eat and what we do not eat. Food does not make a person clean or unclean in Christ.

That means God's law is only for people who can't obey it.

 

[INTJ-F]

Originally Posted by MamaZ

Actaully if we are walking in the Spirit we are not under any jurisdiction of any law. Such as what we eat and what we do not eat. Food does not make a person clean or unclean in Christ.
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That means God's law is only for people who can't obey it.

If we are "walking in the spirit" the first question: Which spirit? If it is the Holy SPirit, then God's law is written on our hearts and we KNOW we are to obey God as Messiah Yeshua said we were to. The sheep follow the Shepherd.

Anyone who continues to eat what God calls an abomination is going to be surprised on judgment day.

 

[visionary]

That means God's law is only for people who can't obey it.

Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Well thats my whole point. The only people who could have the righteousness of the law fulfilled in them is those who walk after the spirit. So then if the law is not for those people then who is it for? It would be those who can't obey it. But then you go down 3 verses to verse 7 and it says that the carnal mind is enmity against God for it is not subject to the law of God. So then if the carnal (flesh) mind is not subject to the law of God, then who is?? And if no one is subject to the law of God, why even mention the carnal mind is not.

 

[ricker]

Only some denominations don't eat Pork... Mostly Catholics... but some Christian denominations as well... but in each Church people choose to eat or not eat also...

I didn't know Catholics were known for not eating pork. All of them I know do.

 

[ricker]

So exactly where does this say it is now acceptable to God to eat something He repeatedly calls an abomination to eat?

God can call something an abomination for a specific circumstance, and then declare it clean if He chooses. He did!

God calls many things abominations in the OT. Here is one place.

Isaiah 1
13 “Bring your worthless offerings no longer,
Incense is an abomination to Me.
New moon and sabbath, the calling of assemblies—
I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly.
14 “I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts,
They have become a burden to Me;
I am weary of bearing them.

 

[sdmsanjose]

Posted by Visionary
Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit

I am not sure what Visionary is trying to say with his post. If he is saying that we have to keep the law in order to be justified then that is opposite of what Galatians 3 says.
See below

Galatians 3 (King James Version)

24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster (LAW).

 

[MamaZ]

That means God's law is only for people who can't obey it.

 

[MamaZ]

If we are "walking in the spirit" the first question: Which spirit? If it is the Holy SPirit, then God's law is written on our hearts and we KNOW we are to obey God as Messiah Yeshua said we were to. The sheep follow the Shepherd.

Anyone who continues to eat what God calls an abomination is going to be surprised on judgment day.

LOL.. Really? on judgment day? We have the law of faith. For we walk by faith and not by sight. Only one way to the Father. It is not about eating pork of chicken or beef. We are not judged by what we eat.