Why Christian not allowed eat to pig?

[ricker]

What does it mean then?

Simple, just what it says. We are not under the law if we are of the Spirit.

 

[GQ Chris]

Did we get this hashed out yet? *tears into a bbq pulled Pork sandwich

 

[Incariol]

*tears into a bbq pulled Pork sandwich

 

[visionary]

Simple, just what it says. We are not under the law if we are of the Spirit.

Try telling that to the judge...

 

[ricker]

Try telling that to the judge...

Who said we are not under the law? Argue with Him.

 

[visionary]

Specifically Who said we are not under the law? Argue with Him.

Nahh.. we will all have to face the judge sooner or later.. and when that time comes.... being in the spirit will not be enough...

 

[Ishraqiyun]

Nahh.. we will all have to face the judge sooner or later..

Unless we are spiritual. The spiritual man is judged by no one. 1 Cor 2:15

 

[ricker]

Nahh.. we will all have to face the judge sooner or later.. and when that time comes.... being in the spirit will not be enough...

The Judge says we are not under the law, I believe Him. If you want to place yourself under it to for personal reasons, no one can stop you.

 

[visionary]

The Judge says we are not under the law, I believe Him. If you want to place yourself under it to for personal reasons, no one can stop you.

All judges work by Laws .. and God's Laws is what God will work off of... Judgment comes on the last day... The Judge never said you are not under the law.. He said .. think not that I have done away with the law..

 

[Elder 111]

Simple, just what it says. We are not under the law if we are of the Spirit.

Then should I keep the law or not? Am I free from the law if I am in Christ? Does that mean that I can forget about the ten commandments?

 

[Elder 111]

Unless we are spiritual. The spiritual man is judged by no one. 1 Cor 2:15

1Cor.3: 13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
Every man not some men.

 

[Lion King]

All judges work by Laws .. and God's Laws is what God will work off of... Judgment comes on the last day... The Judge never said you are not under the law.. He said .. think not that I have done away with the law..

Does that mean I have to get physically circumcised too?

 

[MamaZ]

1Cor.3: 13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
Every man not some men.

notice every mans work. Not every man.

 

[MamaZ]

All judges work by Laws .. and God's Laws is what God will work off of... Judgment comes on the last day... The Judge never said you are not under the law.. He said .. think not that I have done away with the law..

You are looking at human logic here and not the logic and understanding of God. For it is not by law Gods people are judged. For we have been declared not guilty by the blood of Jesus and having His Spirit dwell within us.

 

[MamaZ]

We do not have to work for our salvation. We do not have to put ourselves under any law. We need to be born again of the incorruptalble seed and this comes through Grace through Faith not of works.. For if Jesus has set you free you are free indeed. Believe into Him.

 

[ricker]

Then should I keep the law or not? Am I free from the law if I am in Christ? Does that mean that I can forget about the ten commandments?

This thread is about the clean/unclean food laws. There are other places to debate the ten. Let's not go all over the place.

I don't know you personally, but if I may presume a minute, you probably don't follow all the laws and feasts in Leviticus (and elswhere) given to Israel, you only try to follow an arbitrary few of them that are relatively convienient for you. Am I correct?



23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

 

[visionary]

Does that mean I have to get physically circumcised too?

Ask God, it is up to him what He requires.. I think that is one of those.... once you reach a certain level and are willing to take on further responsibility, then the circumspect sign wll be between you and Him.. But He will tell you..

 

[Lion King]

Ask God, it is up to him what He requires.. I think that is one of those.... once you reach a certain level and are willing to take on further responsibility, then the circumspect sign wll be between you and Him.. But He will tell you..

What does the Law you want me to follow say?

 

[Ishraqiyun]

1Cor.3: 13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
Every man not some men.

Yet at the same time we know that the spiritual are judged by no one. How do you reconcile those two?

Here is a valentinian understanding of the verse:

What does Paul mean? Most Christians, taking it literally, anticipate a catastrophic event that will consume the world in flames. Yet according to the Valentinians, only the initiated reader discerns its true, symbolic meaning. Fire symbolizes ignorance of God- the source of destruction and death that lies concealed in the elements of the cosmos. At the consummation, this "fire that lies hidden in the cosmos will blaze up and burn" destroying "all materiality." Those wholly involved in materiality (the hylics) will be consumed; the psychic, although they "feel the fire" (cf 2:13-15), may escape destruction if they pass through the "firery place" which is the cosmos, stripping off from themselves all "flammable materials"- not only the material body, but also the psychic soul. Paul warns in 3:12-14 that the psychics will be judged on that day for their works- wether they have built with hylic or psychic materials ( "wood" "hay" "stubble") or with pnuematic substances ("gold",silver, precious stones) that can survive the fire, so they may progress from the cosmos to the Pleroma"

So the spiritual have nothing flammable and thus escape judgment. They are judged by no one.

 

[INTJ-F]

You are looking at human logic here and not the logic and understanding of God. For it is not by law Gods people are judged. For we have been declared not guilty by the blood of Jesus and having His Spirit dwell within us.

Lawless = without Torah


Matthew 7
21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22 Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS