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We do not have to work for our salvation.

Obeying God (IE: not sinning) is NOT a "work" it is an act of obedience - a sign you are truly following Messiah Yeshua and not just wanting Him to save you from hell while you go off an commit any sin you want to.


Lawless = without Torah

Matthew 7

21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22 Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS
 
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Obeying God (IE: not sinning) is NOT a "work" it is an act of obedience - a sign you are truly following Messiah Yeshua and not just wanting Him to save you from hell while you go off an commit any sin you want to.


Lawless = without Torah

Matthew 7

21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22 Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS
you need to finish the scripture to get the context of What Jesus is saying here. Do not mine the scriptures and bend them around your beliefs cuz then is twists what the full context of the scripture actually says,.
 
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you need to finish the scripture to get the context of What Jesus is saying here. Do not mine the scriptures and bend them around your beliefs cuz then is twists what the full context of the scripture actually says,.

That WAS taken in context. I have previously posted Matthew 7 in its entirety. You throwing out "it isn't in context" without posting it yourself is throwing a strawman argument out in hopes people will believe your dishonest accusation.

Matthew 7

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
 
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That WAS taken in context. I have previously posted Matthew 7 in its entirety. You throwing out "it isn't in context" without posting it yourself is throwing a strawman argument out in hopes people will believe your dishonest accusation.

Matthew 7

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.


23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This doesn't say anything about Gentiles keeping the law given to Israel at Sinai.
 
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To obey God you have to obey the inner law of the heart. The law of love and faith. It has nothing to do with the external written law of YHWH - don't touch, don't tastes, don't handle (cf Romans 2:21).
The outer workings of don't touch, taste, handle.. etc are manifestations of the changes God makes in us... according to His Will:clap:
 
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I obey God and what He says. He clearly says eating swine and shellfish is an abomination. He included keeping Shabbat in the Ten Commandments. If you choose to intentionally disobey His will and what He says, you will suffer the consequences for your actions.

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According to your interpretation what are the consequences?
Do we lose our salvation?

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My position is that if you love God, you will obey Him otherwise Messiah Yeshua will reject you on judgment day.

If you claim to love God and accept Yeshua as Messiah, you would naturally obey Torah. You wouldn't spit in your spouse's face and then claim you love them - the same with God. He calls eating swine and shellfish an abomination so if you love Him, you would not do anything intentionally to offend Him.

If giving up swine and shellfish is too much of a bother for you and you have to justify eating it, one wonders if you even care what God said. If you do not care what God said, why do you claim to be following Messiah who said he will reject those who do not do what God said even if they do works for Him?

Read the verses in my signature and do not redefine them based on your feelings. Yeshua clearly stated those who sin (disobey God / IE: Torah) will be rejected on judgment day regardless of how many things they did in His name.


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You are clear on your position. You believe that in order to remain a childof God you must obey all of the 261 laws of the Torah or you will be sent to hell.

Other beliefs are:

You can lose your salvation by not keeping the 10 commandments but the other Torah laws including diet laws no longer apply.

Once you are saved you are not going to loose that salvation. If you break God’s; laws you will be punished but you will not be rejected by God.

All the beliefs above can quote scripture that they claim backs up their belief.

Since most scriptures have been posted on these beliefs already then I will present this. God has so much more capability to love his children than we do as parents. There is nothing that my children could do that would have me reject them and send them to eternal punishment. I will punish them if they disobey but I will never totally reject them for eternity. I am sure God’s love for his children are a lot stronger than mine and every other parent.



Now I know that there are people that believe that people that have been cleaned of their sin by the actions of Jesus Christ and have believed on Him can lose their salvation. Some believe this because they are influenced by the same belief that INTJ-F has posted. INTJ-F believes that children of God use their salvation to …” go off and commit any sin you want”

When a person realizes that he is a sinner and is guilt ridden, believes that God sent His son to redeem us, the great price that He paid, and experiences the freedom from condemnation, that person’s heart will want to please GOD! That person will fail from time to time but the motivation to get forgiveness and get back on tract will be that person’s heart and mind that realizes the love and grace of God not 261 laws that have the threat of hell by a condemning God. The torah laws were not always kept in the Old Testament and they are not always kept now. God will do just about anything to save mankind and that includes providing a better way to save mankind and he did that when he made the new covenant.

1 Peter 4:8
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins


I think it is very dangerous to put such heavy burdens on people so that they are so scared of losing their salvation that they are so busy trying to be perfect that they miss the most powerful message that God has brought to mankind; the message of God’s love that allows for salvation and the absent of spiritual fear.
 
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That WAS taken in context. I have previously posted Matthew 7 in its entirety. You throwing out "it isn't in context" without posting it yourself is throwing a strawman argument out in hopes people will believe your dishonest accusation.

Matthew 7

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
Now as you read this put it the context of the full written of scripture. For now here we see what fruit we are to have.



13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[c] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
 
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Now as you read this put it the context of the full written of scripture. For now here we see what fruit we are to have.


Isaiah 65

1 I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name. 2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;

3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.
 
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Now as you read this put it the context of the full written of scripture. For now here we see what fruit we are to have.



13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[c] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

By looking at what you highlighted you are emphasizing that there is no law against love, joy, peace etc. How does that help you in your argument? The text is not saying that besides loving and being joyful, etc no other law exist. It says AGAINST SUCH there is no law, which means that doing those things are 100% lawful and not against any law.
 
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Some things are best taught by the Holy Spirit and unless rebellion in the heart has seared the heart, these truths found in scripture will not seem so heavy a burden for the Lord of the Sabbath said, it will be light.

I guess you are insinuating that you and INTJ keep all the 261 Torah laws all the time.

I want to please God but t fail from time to time and am encouraged by the love, forgiveness, and security of God to get back up and do better. By believing that God is going to send me to hell because I fail from time to time would make me feel rejected and I would give up and loose faith.

Visionary, if you and INTJ are able to keep all the Torah laws all the time then you are superior to me in your obedience to all the Torah laws.

I will continue to trust in God’s grace and Jesus’ sacrifice to help me be redeemed even when I fail at times. I will also continue to strive to please God.
 
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I guess you are insinuating that you and INTJ keep all the 261 Torah laws all the time.

I want to please God but t fail from time to time and am encouraged by the love, forgiveness, and security of God to get back up and do better. By believing that God is going to send me to hell because I fail from time to time would make me feel rejected and I would give up and loose faith.

Visionary, if you and INTJ are able to keep all the Torah laws all the time then you are superior to me in your obedience to all the Torah laws.

I will continue to trust in God’s grace and Jesus’ sacrifice to help me be redeemed even when I fail at times. I will also continue to strive to please God.
ONe .. it is not possible.. and Two.. it is not in the spirit that the Lord intended it... we are to see better than this.. with love for our neighbors.. not a holier than thou attitude.. which would be against God's law... and Four. you are right we are all to continue to strive to please God.. and in one way I do this.. is be not disagreeing with what God says are His and His Ways.
 
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I am so glad that you have found Christ. In the bible Leviticus chapter 11, The lord gave this message to Moses and Aaron. It was for the Isarelites(jewish people). But by the New Testament, you are saved by the grace of god through Christ. So enjoy, but I suggest that you eat pork in moderation. Peace be with you and yours.:amen:
 
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All judges work by Laws .. and God's Laws is what God will work off of... Judgment comes on the last day... The Judge never said you are not under the law.. He said .. think not that I have done away with the law..

Three links that should help clarify things.

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Matthew 7

13 Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
14 For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

15"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

16"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
17"So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
18"A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20"So then, you will know them by their fruits.
21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22 Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS


Isaiah 65
was given to the gentile nations:

1 I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

 
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Chapter 4. Argument.— To These Things Also Was Added Another Reason for Prohibiting Many Kinds of Meats to the Jews; To Wit, for the Restraint of the Intemperance of the People, and that They Might Serve the One God

To these considerations, then, thus enumerated, were added also other reasons for which many kinds of meats were withheld from the Jews; and that this might be so, many things were called unclean, not as being condemned in themselves, but that the Jews might be restrained to the service of one God; because frugality and moderation in appetite were becoming to those who were chosen for this purpose. And such moderation is always found to be approximate to religion, nay, so to speak, rather related and akin to it; for luxury is inimical to holiness. For how shall religion be spared by it, when modesty is not spared? Luxury does not entertain the fear of God; since while pleasures hurry it on, it is carried forward to the sole daring of its desires: for the reins being loosened, it increases in the application of expense without measure, as if it were its food, exceeding its patrimony with its modesty; or as a torrent rushing from the mountain-peaks not only overleaps what is opposed to it, but carries with it those very hindrances for the destruction of other things. Therefore these remedies were sought for to restrain the intemperance of the people, that in proportion as luxury was diminished, virtuous manners might be increased. For what else did they deserve, than that they should be restrained from using all the pictures of various meats, who dared to prefer the vilest meats of the Egyptians to the divine banquets of manna, preferring the juicy meats of their enemies and masters to their liberty? They were truly worthy that the slavery which they had coveted should pamper them, if the food that was more desirable and free was so ill pleasing to them.

Chapter 5. Argument.— But There Was a Limit to the Use of These Shadows or Figures; For Afterwards, When the End of the Law, Christ, Came, All Things Were Said by the Apostle to Be Pure to the Pure, and the True and Holy Meat Was a Right Faith and an Unspotted Conscience

And thus there was a certain ancient time, wherein those shadows or figures were to be used, that meats should be abstained from which had indeed been commended by their creation, but had been prohibited by the law. But now Christ, the end of the law, has come, disclosing all the obscurities of the law— all those things which antiquity had covered with the clouds of sacraments. For the illustrious Master, and the heavenly Teacher, and the ordainer of the perfected truth, has come, under whom at length it is rightly said: To the pure all things are pure but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure, but even their mind and conscience is defiled. Titus 1:15 Moreover, in another place: For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused which is received with thanksgiving; for it is sanctified by the Word of God and prayer. 1 Timothy 4:4-5 Again, in another place: The Spirit expressly says that in the last days some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats which God has created to be received with thanksgiving by them which believe and those who know God. Moreover, in another passage: Everything that is sold in the market-place eat, asking nothing. 1 Corinthians 10:25 From these things it is plain that all those things are returned to their original blessedness now that the law is finished, and that we must not revert to the special observances of meats, which observances were ordained for a certain reason, but which evangelical liberty has now taken away, their discharge being given. The apostle cries out: The kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but righteousness, and peace. and joy. Romans 14:17 Also elsewhere: Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body. 1 Corinthians 6:13 God is not worshipped by the belly nor by meats, which the Lord says will perish, and are purged by natural law in the draught. For he who worships the Lord by meats, is merely as one who has his belly for his Lord. The meat, I say, true, and holy, and pure, is a true faith, an unspotted conscience, and an innocent soul. Whosoever is thus fed, feeds also with Christ. Such a banqueter is God's guest: these are the feasts that feed the angels, these are the tables which the martyrs make. Hence is that word of the law: Man cloth not live by bread alone, but by every word which proceeds out of the mouth of God. Deuteronomy 8:3 Hence, too, that saying of Christ: My meat is to do the will of Him that sent me, and to finish His work. John 4:34 Hence, You seek me not because you saw the miracles, but because you ate of my loaves and were filled. But labour not for the meat which perishes, but for the meat which endures to life eternal, which the Son of man will give you; for Him has the Father sealed. John 6:26-27 By righteousness, I say, and by continency, and by the rest of the virtues, God is worshipped. For Zecharias also tells us, saying: If you eat or drink, is it not you that eat or drink? — declaring thereby that meat or drink attain not unto God, but unto man: for neither is God fleshly, so as to be pleased with flesh; nor is He careful for these pleasures, so as to rejoice in our food. God rejoices in our faith alone, in our innocency alone, in our truth alone, in our virtues alone. And these dwell not in our belly, but in our soul; and these are acquired for us by divine awe and heavenly fear, and not by earthly food. And such the apostle fitly rebuked, as obeying the superstitions of angels, puffed up by their fleshly mind; not holding Christ the head, from whom all the body, joined together by links, and inwoven and grown together by mutual members in the bond of charity, increases to God; Colossians 2:18-19 but observing those things: Touch not, taste not, handle not; which indeed seem to have a form of religion, in that the body is not spared. Colossians 2:21-23 Yet there is no advantage at all of righteousness, while we are recalled by a voluntary slavery to those elements to which by baptism we have died.


--Novatian, On the Jewish Meats
 
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....But now Christ, the end of the law, has come, disclosing all the obscurities of the law— all those things which antiquity had covered with the clouds of sacraments. ...
Thems are some powerful sacraments ...
 
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By looking at what you highlighted you are emphasizing that there is no law against love, joy, peace etc. How does that help you in your argument? The text is not saying that besides loving and being joyful, etc no other law exist. It says AGAINST SUCH there is no law, which means that doing those things are 100% lawful and not against any law.
Actually it says that against no law against such. It does not say that that these things are lawful. It does not say that this are not against any law. you have twisted it just a little bit. Wording is very important.
 
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