Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (4)

[from scratch]

The law is love. Why would you say that it isn't. What about the law itself is not loving?

Would you please explain how the law is love? I don't find any Scripture saying or implying that.

 

[Arthur57]

No there isn't any thing thathat can supercede the love of God. God is free to supercede anything He does and no one you can stop HIm. One can refuse a free gift though.

I really wish you would take an honest look at Jer 31:31-34 for starters. I think that one should also consider Hebrews 8 very closely.

It also woulld be beneficial to consider Mat 26:28,MK 14:24,and LK 22:20.

You keep asking me to present Jer. 31:31-34, which I had done many times.

You can check and read it back again in my postings. But if you have no time, ok, I will explain my view once again.

In Jer. 31:31-34, God proclaimed His covenant, which is called the New Covenant. That He will write His law on the heart and put it in the mind of those who believe Christ Jesus, which is the meaning of the "house of Israel after that time." This new covenant is made, because the older one, when proclaimed with Israel after their exodus from Egypt has been broken. If God's laws is written in their hearts and put in their minds, no more a man said to his neighbor "Know the Lord", because all knows their God, whom forgive their sin and remember it no more.

Now compare with Hebrews 8.

Paul here not only repeating what is written in Jer, 31:31-34, but he said further, that we have a High Priest in heaven, ministering in the true sanctuary and of the true tabernacle, erected by the Lord himself. Ministering and mediating on a better covenant, which is based on the promise of God, a better promise. Meanwhile the Old covenant was based on human promise, ended in failure and broken promise.

And if the OC established with the pouring of animal blood, the NC was established with the blood of the Savior, once and for all.

What is the High Priest Jesus Christ ministering in the sanctuary in heaven?

Nothing else then ministering His Holy Spirit to write His law on His believers hearts and put it in their minds, to accomplish His covenant. And mediating men with His Father for the forgiveness of sin, this too to accomplish His promise.

All and all, the New Covenant and Christ ministry in heaven is about His law, to write on your heart and out it in your mind, in order you might be subjected to his law, be a law doers, for when you live in the carnal mind, as an unbeliever, all you can do is breaking His law, for the carnal mind is not subject to the law of God.

So, what is your comment?

 

[from scratch]

A) What does the temple have to do with loving God

B) The body has always been the temple of God.

I would like to see a verse showing this idea in some form. I think that God said that He would dwell in the Tabernacel and not men in the OT. This is another major difference in the NC.

The temple was God's meeting place with the people corporately. And the scriptures tell us not to forsake the gathering together of ourselves, so it's not like we're not still suppose to come together to worship.

 

[visionary]

11.Psalm 119:149
Hear my voice in accordance with your love; preserve my life, LORD, according to your laws.

It is all according to the law, what is love... life.. liberty.. truth

 

[from scratch]

So God didn't treat man the same since Yeshua's visit?

I think that is a true and correct statement made as a question.

 

[Arthur57]

Originally Posted by Arthur57

FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE THEY ARE NOT UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE TEN COMMANDMENT.

Made up your mind!

Is the law nailed to the cross more then 2,000 years ago,

or

just nailed when faith came?

Today, maybe next month, maybe end of time because there would be many unbelievers till that day.

Picking up both to justify your believe that it is both ways, is a mixed and confused believe.
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The law was nailed to the cross when Christ was. But one must be in Christ. We see that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ are none of His. So therefore they will be judged by their works. And we all know that works will not save a man.

This doesn't reply my question.

Is the law nailed at the cross 2,000 years ago, or ended as a tutor when faith came?

 

[visionary]

I think that is a true and correct statement made as a question.

hen you also must believe that God is different than He was before?

 

[from scratch]

But that walk after the Spirit doesn't make you perfect and sinless as what you believe, right? This means, you keep sinning from time to time, and thus coming back again under condemnation of the law, for if you admit you did sin, you admitted there is a law you break.

No. One is convicted of sin and not condemned by the leading of the Spirit and not the law as a Christian - Romans 8:1-4, Gal 5:18-21.

 

[Arthur57]

Originally Posted by Arthur57

FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE THEY ARE NOT UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE TEN COMMANDMENT.

Made up your mind!

Is the law nailed to the cross more then 2,000 years ago,

or

just nailed when faith came?

Today, maybe next month, maybe end of time because there would be many unbelievers till that day.

Picking up both to justify your believe that it is both ways, is a mixed and confused believe.
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I Tim 1:9-10. And for the believer only was the law nailed to the cross. Only the beleiver has accessed the grace and gift of God. The believer has passed from death to life - Jn 5:24. This shows that the believer won't appear at the white throne judgement for condemnation and punishment of being banned from the presence of God.

Did you mean, now you take a position that the law ended when faith came to you? I think you are promoting with many others here, the law was nailed to the cross?

Anyway, you now believe that the law ends in its jurisdiction, when faith came. OK, next week I hope you believe the law ended when you got your righteousness, for Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one who believe.

For what you get now is justification only, as you admit that you are still sinner justified by faith.

 

[Arthur57]

Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible
Romans 8:2

Verse 2. For the law. The word law here means that rule, command, or influence which "the Spirit of life" produces. That exerts a control which is here called a law, for a law often means anything by which we are ruled or governed. Cmt. on Ro 7:21, Cmt. on Ro 7:23.

Of the Spirit. I see no reason to doubt here that this refers to the Holy Spirit. Evidently, at the close of Ro 8:1, the word has this reference. The phrase "the Spirit of life" then means the Holy Spirit producing or giving life; i.e. giving peace, joy, activity, salvation; in opposition to the law, spoken of in chapter 7, that produced death and condemnation.

In Christ Jesus. Under the Christian religion: or sent by Christ to apply his work to men, Joh 16:7-14. The Spirit is sent by Christ; his influence is a part of the Christian scheme; and his power accomplishes that which the law could not do.

Hath made me free. That is, has delivered me from the predominating influence and control of sin. He cannot mean that he was perfect, for the whole tenor of his reasoning is opposed to that. But the design, the tendency, and the spirit of the gospel was to produce this freedom from what the law could not deliver; and he was now brought under the general power of this scheme. In the former state he was under a most bitter and galling bondage, Ro 7:7-11. Now he was brought under the influence of a scheme which contemplated freedom, and which produced it.

The law of sin and death. The controlling influence of sin, leading to death and condemnation, Ro 7:5-11.
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The "law of sin and death" is definitely NOT the carnal mind.

What is it then:The controlling influence of sin, leading to death and condemnation? Your blood, or your hands, or your what?

 

[visionary]

Did you mean, now you take a position that the law ended when faith came to you? I think you are promoting with many others here, the law was nailed to the cross?

Anyway, you now believe that the law ends in its jurisdiction, when faith came. OK, next week I hope you believe the law ended when you got your righteousness, for Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one who believe.

For what you get now is justification only, as you admit that you are still sinner justified by faith.

Then you also know that justification only comes through Christ, who went to a lot of work, to have the right to be the justifier..and His robe of righteousness will not cover unrepentant sins.

 

[Stryder06]

Would you please explain how the law is love? I don't find any Scripture saying or implying that.

Love the Lord thy God

Love thy neighbor as thyself

I think you misunderstand me when I say the law is love. You may not follow me on this but that's to be expected.

Scripture says all good things come from above (God). Scripture also tells us that God is love. So since God is love, and all good things come from above, I thus believe that the law, given by God, was given out of love, thus the law equaling love.

Does scripture call the law evil or something along those lines?

 

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That is NOT sinless perfection! If we all were sinlessly perfect, then the Christian would never die. Ever think about that? Do you ever get sick? The ENTIRE creation is under the curse of sin, like it or not.

Romans 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Romans 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Why does the body need "redemption" if it becomes "sinless" when a person is saved?

If one can be a doer of the law there is no need of redemption or even sacrifice for sin. Arthur57 stated in the previous thread twice that we'll stand before God in our righteousness and not that of righteousness of Jesus. No substituting. The real deal is that we're not. God gave us His righteousness and therfore it is ours. But note that righteousness didn't come by the law, it came by imputation/declaration as a gift only - Rom 4:1-9, 6:23.

 

[MamaZ]

But that walk after the Spirit doesn't make you perfect and sinless as what you believe, right? This means, you keep sinning from time to time, and thus coming back again under condemnation of the law, for if you admit you did sin, you admitted there is a law you break.

We will have sin in us until we are transformed. The law has no power over me at all. For I am not obligated to the law. I am blood bought and Spirit filled. Therefore is I sin I am not under the condemnation of the law because I was never under the law to begin with. For anything done without faith is sin. To do good and not do it is sin. To even be angry at my brother is sin. For if we walk in the fruit of the Spirit there is no law. Woo HOOO thank you Jesus..

 

[from scratch]

I think that in Romans 7 Paul points out both the flesh and the spirit are at war with each other. I identify with Paul's statement in verses 24 and 25.

Can hardly wait for the war to be over. This isn't a wish for the termination of the way I now exist but a statement of excitment over the prospects of the future I have as a Christian. I read the Book and know that I won with Jesus Christ. A grand slam if you will.

 

[MamaZ]

Love the Lord thy God

Love thy neighbor as thyself

I think you misunderstand me when I say the law is love. You may not follow me on this but that's to be expected.

Scripture says all good things come from above (God). Scripture also tells us that God is love. So since God is love, and all good things come from above, I thus believe that the law, given by God, was given out of love, thus the law equaling love.

Does scripture call the law evil or something along those lines?

Okay so Love God and neighbor. Now how do you explain how to love? Can you love as God commands all by yourself by an act of your will?

 

[Stryder06]

I would like to see a verse showing this idea in some form. I think that God said that He would dwell in the Tabernacel and not men in the OT. This is another major difference in the NC.

Psalms 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

 

[Stryder06]

Psalms 119: 97O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.
98Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me.
99I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation

 

[from scratch]

Okay so Love God and neighbor. Now how do you explain how to love? Can you love as God commands all by yourself by an act of your will?

Good question because man's nature is rebellion.

 

[Stryder06]

Okay so Love God and neighbor. Now how do you explain how to love? Can you love as God commands all by yourself by an act of your will?

That's my point. No one can love God as an act of their own will. It is through the power of the Spirit. That's how it's always been. It is God who draws us to Himself. That's how it was for the Isrealites, and that's how it is for us.