Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (4)

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And this is the will of my Father, that you believe in the one that He sent. Nothing about obeying laws.

 

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allow scripture to tell you what love is. I don't see in scripture where love is obedience to the law.

Neither do I. And Jn 14:15 doesn't prove their point.

 

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15If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Keeping the commandments and having the Spirit seems pretty close.

If ye keep My commandments, ye shall abide in My love; even as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love.

Notice the blue highlight. Jesus certianly kept the 10 Cs. I still ask what commandments did Jesus keep? I also ask what commandments did Jesus say to keep?

 

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God's will is expressed in His law from Gen. to Rev.

I can even you on occasion.

 

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Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible
Romans 8:2

Verse 2. For the law. The word law here means that rule, command, or influence which "the Spirit of life" produces. That exerts a control which is here called a law, for a law often means anything by which we are ruled or governed. Cmt. on Ro 7:21, Cmt. on Ro 7:23.

Of the Spirit. I see no reason to doubt here that this refers to the Holy Spirit. Evidently, at the close of Ro 8:1, the word has this reference. The phrase "the Spirit of life" then means the Holy Spirit producing or giving life; i.e. giving peace, joy, activity, salvation; in opposition to the law, spoken of in chapter 7, that produced death and condemnation.

In Christ Jesus. Under the Christian religion: or sent by Christ to apply his work to men, Joh 16:7-14. The Spirit is sent by Christ; his influence is a part of the Christian scheme; and his power accomplishes that which the law could not do.

Hath made me free. That is, has delivered me from the predominating influence and control of sin. He cannot mean that he was perfect, for the whole tenor of his reasoning is opposed to that. But the design, the tendency, and the spirit of the gospel was to produce this freedom from what the law could not deliver; and he was now brought under the general power of this scheme. In the former state he was under a most bitter and galling bondage, Ro 7:7-11. Now he was brought under the influence of a scheme which contemplated freedom, and which produced it.

The law of sin and death. The controlling influence of sin, leading to death and condemnation, Ro 7:5-11.
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The "law of sin and death" is definitely NOT the carnal mind.

 

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where did Jesus state depart from me for you did not follow the law?

But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. - Luke 13:27
Iniquity in this passage means: lawlessness.

 

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But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. - Luke 13:27
Iniquity in this passage means: lawlessness.

No I don't think it means those not subscribing to the OC law known as the law. Iniquity is sin. The Christian is under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus - Rom 8:2. This isn't the law as indicated in the covenant with the COI. Sorry

 

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allow scripture to tell you what love is. I don't see in scripture where love is obedience to the law.

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. - Romans 3:31

Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. - Romans 13:10


For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. - Galatians 5:14

The law is about loving God and loving your neighbor. If you believe in God and his love is in you, you won't break his commands, even if you don't know the law because you have been born again of the Spirit.
If you love God, you won't have other gods - if you love your neighbor, you won't go after his wife, steal, murder or covet what he has. The commandments are about loving God and loving man. That's why if you are truely regenerated by the Spirit, you will establish the law because the love of God is living in you. You can't say that you love God if you covet, hate, lie to, murder, steal from your neighbor. It's not a combination of those things - all it takes is 1 and you have become quilty of sin.

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. - James 2:10

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. - 1 John 3:4

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. - 1 John 3:9

Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. - 1 John 4:7

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. - 1 John 5:2-3

You don't keep his commands to be saved. You love (do his commands) BECAUSE you are saved.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. - Matthew 7:21

 

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One is condemned by the law. You identify yourself and there is no need to label you as you wave that label from the roof top and yell about it. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

You clearly boast.

We are talking about the law of love and you act like we're not. Of course i would talk about fornication and adultery and covetousness in a thread talking about the law. And of course i would reiterate it many times when it gets denied many times. You only teach part of Pauls message you leave much of it out. Don't worry though, ill pick up the slack.

 

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Where is this?

I showed you in many places. The apostles repeatedly command us and even begs us to to abstain from fornication, lying, stealing and so on. You act like they don't. They reiterate commandments from the 10 to demonstrate love and holiness according to the will of God.

 

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Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. - Romans 7:12

I am trying to understand why there seems to be such disdain for the holy, just and good law of God from people who say that they love God.

 

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And what about the new Christian, don't they need instruction?Why does Paul teach us over and over not to fornicate, commit adultery, steal, lie and covet? Paul sure seems to think its important to teach and learn these things. Paul says to preach the word because the day will come when men wont endure sound doctrine. He commands Timothy to preach all doctrine.



2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

I think that you misunderstood what I was saying. I believe that if a person is really born again that they will obey God's commands because God's law is written in their heart by the Spirit.

"For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another" - Romans 2:12-15

 

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Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. - Romans 13:10

If you are iterating obedience to the law of love, how is it different from what im doing? Will it void your faith? We're doing the same thing, only i include the whole teaching about Gods will, you leave things out.

 

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I think that you misunderstood what I was saying. I believe that if a person is really born again that they will obey God's commands because God's law is written in their heart by the Spirit.

"For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another" - Romans 2:12-15

I understand. Thanks brother for clearing that up.

 

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Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. - Romans 3:31

Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. - Romans 13:10


For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. - Galatians 5:14

The law is about loving God and loving your neighbor. If you believe in God and his love is in you, you won't break his commands, even if you don't know the law because you have been born again of the Spirit.
If you love God, you won't have other gods - if you love your neighbor, you won't go after his wife, steal, murder or covet what he has. The commandments are about loving God and loving man. That's why if you are truely regenerated by the Spirit, you will establish the law because the love of God is living in you. You can't say that you love God if you covet, hate, lie to, murder, steal from your neighbor. It's not a combination of those things - all it takes is 1 and you have become quilty of sin.

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. - James 2:10

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. - 1 John 3:4

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. - 1 John 3:9

Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. - 1 John 4:7

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. - 1 John 5:2-3

You don't keep his commands to be saved. You love (do his commands) BECAUSE you are saved.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. - Matthew 7:21

If you are iterating obedience to the law of love, how is it different from what im doing? Will it void your faith? We're doing the same thing, only i include the whole teaching about Gods will, you leave things out.

The above comment was in reference to all the posts by people who keep talking about "all you need is love." I was expounding on what the Bible says is love and you can't have love with the exclusion of the law.
If you have more on that aspect of the law, please share it.

 

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I understand. Thanks brother for clearing that up.

No problem.

 

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The above comment was in reference to all the posts by people who keep talking about "all you need is love." I was expounding on what the Bible says is love and you can't have love with the exclusion of the law.
If you have more on that aspect of the law, please share it.

Im sorry, i was responding to another poster but made a mistake and responded to you by accident. We're in complete agreement brother.

 

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Will obeying the law of love void our faith? No it wont and neither will obeying the law of abstaining from fornication. Its the will of God after all. Some say obeying the law of abstaining from fornication voids faith. Thats wrong and misleading. The anti law argument given here leave important things out that Paul does not. Why do i post about fornication? Because Paul teaches many times on it, its part of our law. And because its Gods will that we flee from it and it is connected to the law of adultery that comes from the 10cs. Some say the law of 10cs are obsolete OT law, but this is not true because some of them are taught throughout the NT. For example, abstaining from adultery is taught in the NT.

 

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Is Paul voiding His faith by teaching this message?



1Th 4:1 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.
1Th 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
1Th 4:4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
1Th 4:5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
1Th 4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
1Th 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
1Th 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
1Th 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

 

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Paul is teaching the Law of Christ and the will of God. In the scripture from book of acts found below, is paul forgetting about Love? No hes teaching the law and love is not all He teaches unless abstaining from fornication is love for God. The body is the lords temple after all.


Ac 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Ac 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well




1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
1Co 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
1Co 6:13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
1Co 6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
1Co 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid


1Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.