Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (4)

[Arthur57]

What the Old Testament Law Cannot Do:

It cannot justify (Acts 13:38-39; Galatians 2:16).
It cannot redeem (Romans 3:24-31; Galatians 3:13-14).
It cannot give an inheritance (Romans 4:13-14).
It cannot control sin in man (Romans 7:7-23; 8:2).
It cannot free from sin and death (Romans 8:2).
It cannot free a sinner from condemnation (Romans 8:1-4).
It cannot bring righteousness (Romans 8:4).
It cannot impart the Holy Spirit (Galatians 3:2).
It cannot free from the curse (Galatians 3:10,14).
It cannot impart grace (Galatians 5:4).
It cannot enable a man to obey (Hebrews 7:18).
It cannot make perfect (Hebrews 7:19).

As the above Scripture states, the law is unable to do more than it is able to do.

The purpose of the law is to reveal sin and lead men to Christ. (Romans 3:19-20; 7:12-13; 1Timothy 1:9-10; Galatians 3:24-25).

What are the requirements of the Old Testament Law? Galatians 3:10 speaks of a two-fold requirement:

Continual obedience and obedience in all things. (Deuteronomy 11:22; 27:26; James 2:10)

This is why no man can have righteousness through the law; as sinners we cannot fulfill its high demands.

You are correct so far, but left one thing in error.

You believe you can not fulfill the law holy demands, for you admit that you will always remain a sinner and depends solely on Christ imputed righteousness.

This believe is not supported by the Scripture, as I have presented. Step one more foot to the higher ground.

In Christ we can do all things! The spirit works in us to will and to do!

By surrendering our self, walking after the Spirit, subjecting the flesh to the will of God, discipline the body, all through faith, we could keep the commandments and be righteous as He was righteous.

What is the point when Jesus said: "Don't sin anymore", if he knew that no one can do it?

But Jesus has condemned sin in the flesh, even he has been made the same as his fellow brothers, has the same sinful flesh, has been tempted as we will be tempted, there is not one point whatsoever that Satan may use to accuse Him for our failures. All Satan can do is to offer a hoax to Christianity that they might be concealed from the truth.

He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked. 1 John 2:6.

If Christ walk in perfect righteousness and holiness, shall we walk in failures and weakness and unrighteousness?

If Christ keep the law perfectly and fulfill it demands, shall we walk in lawlessness and denies?

 

[Arthur57]

There is only one place that I know Paul teach the law and it isn't to Christians, it is to children Eph 6. Every where else Paul uses the law as a launching pad for his teaching. Paul uses the familiar to teach from. This is far different than teaching required observance.

Listen you can agravate me all you wish. I won't cave in. Salvation and maintainece of it is by faith alone - Gal 3:1-3.

My, my

There is in all Pauline epistle the teaching of the law for Christians.

It is only you wouldn't admit.

 

[sheina]

You are correct so far, but left one thing in error.

You believe you can not fulfill the law holy demands, for you admit that you will always remain a sinner and depends solely on Christ imputed righteousness.

This believe is not supported by the Scripture, as I have presented. Step one more foot to the higher ground.

Salvation does NOT eradicate our sin nature. As long as we remain in these mortal bodies, we will NEVER fulfill the demands of the law. This includes you. Read Romans 6-8 IN CONTEXT. NOBODY will attain sinless perfectionism in this lifetime. Sanctification is a lifetime process. We need to daily walk in the Spirit.

 

[Arthur57]

If you are born of the Spirit, according to scripture, you can't sin - at least you won't look for ways to sin.
1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
No one said that the law saves you. Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ saves you. If you do believe and are born again, regenerated by his Spirit, you are able to obey His commands. If you are no longer a sinner, because you are born of God, you won't look for ways to be able to transgress the law. Sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
No one said that we will be perfect. But Jesus did tell us to be perfect just as the Father in heaven is perfect. Our perfect Father in Heaven gave the perfect law. If we stumble in one point, we are guilty of all (all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory - every man has transgressed the law). God made provision for us through Jesus Christ, our advocate.
1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not ( transgress the law - for sin is the transgression of the law). And if any man sin ( transgress the law), we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

May the lawlessness see the truth, and their veil removed.

 

[ricker]

Is there some wacky theology here or what? Not it mention some very ill informed people about meats. There is going on about the ills of pork and nothing about kosher chicken. Absolutely indredible. Chickens will kill and eat each other over something stupid as an injury. They will even poop on thier young.

If one eats any kind of meat they have worms. Worms are a primary factor in aging.

This is where many strange and unorthodox beliefs are bantered around. Isn't the internet fun?!

 

[ricker]

Walk after/in the Spirit:

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

You know, the more posts I read by Baptists, the more impressed I am.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

This is where many strange and unorthodox beliefs are bantered around. Isn't the internet fun?!

It should be burned!

 

[Arthur57]

Salvation does NOT eradicate our sin nature. As long as we remain in these mortal bodies, we will NEVER fulfill the demands of the law. This includes you. Read Romans 6-8 IN CONTEXT. NOBODY will attain sinless perfectionism in this lifetime. Sanctification is a lifetime process. We need to daily walk in the Spirit.

I see what differ us. I believe in the Scripture and you not. I believe in Christ I can do all things and you not. I believe the Spirit will do what He will in me, and you not. I believe after having the mind of Christ which replace my carnal mind at justification by faith, I have the power of the Spirit to keep and obey the law and subjecting my body to the law of God through discipline, self sacrificing, temperance, etc, and you not. I believe in sinless perfection might be achieved in this side of the world, and you not.

But I'm gladly to believe that I'm in line with the Scripture teaching, and not blindly take the hoax of Satan that taught we could not reach a sinless perfection at this side of the world.

What is the point of daily walk in the Spirit, of a life time sanctification if it just left you in the same miserable unrighteous and imperfect character as at the day you came the first time to Christ, a sinner justified by faith, having none of his own righteousness to present to God, and hide behind Christ imputed righteousness? Everybody knows that in this state, there is no way for you to enter heaven and live among the perfect righteous holly being before God.

Please study this holy revelation:
He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous[e] still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.” Rev. 22:11.

which side you would be with your belief, I know where I would be with my belief.

 

[listed]

So, in order not to come under condemnation of the law, what should you do?

How does a Christian come under the condemnation of the law?

Here is an interesting verse: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[listed]

Salvation does NOT eradicate our sin nature. As long as we remain in these mortal bodies, we will NEVER fulfill the demands of the law. This includes you. Read Romans 6-8 IN CONTEXT. NOBODY will attain sinless perfectionism in this lifetime. Sanctification is a lifetime process. We need to daily walk in the Spirit.

I thought that is what Paul is talking about in Romans 7.

 

[listed]

I see what differ us. I believe in the Scripture and you not. I believe in Christ I can do all things and you not. I believe the Spirit will do what He will in me, and you not. I believe after having the mind of Christ which replace my carnal mind at justification by faith, I have the power of the Spirit to keep and obey the law and subjecting my body to the law of God through discipline, self sacrificing, temperance, etc, and you not. I believe in sinless perfection might be achieved in this side of the world, and you not.

But I'm gladly to believe that I'm in line with the Scripture teaching, and not blindly take the hoax of Satan that taught we could not reach a sinless perfection at this side of the world.

What is the point of daily walk in the Spirit, of a life time sanctification if it just left you in the same miserable unrighteous and imperfect character as at the day you came the first time to Christ, a sinner justified by faith, having none of his own righteousness to present to God, and hide behind Christ imputed righteousness? Everybody knows that in this state, there is no way for you to enter heaven and live among the perfect righteous holly being before God.

Please study this holy revelation:
He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.” Rev. 22:11.

which side you would be with your belief, I know where I would be with my belief.

Is this really a discussion about the ten commandments? I see only 2 things in this post

• attacking a person
• self aggrandizement

I had to alter the quoted post verse because of the link. Sorry it said I must have 50 posts.

 

[sheina]

I thought that is what Paul is talking about in Romans 7.

What exactly do you mean? Romans 7 is Paul's struggle with the flesh and it was a present struggle that he had, not a past struggle. He writes in the present tense, not past tense.

Romans 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Salvation doesn't make a person "sinlessly perfect". We are not "sinless" but we do "sin less"...IOW, we don't continue living IN sin, because we have been freed from the penalty and power of sin.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

 

[Arthur57]

Walk after/in the Spirit:

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Do you know that a Walk after the Spirit will lead you to keep and obey the law of God, in order He might fulfill the righteousness of the law in you. When will you come to this realization?

The whole of Romans chapter 7 is telling us about a law of sin and death in our body, which originated to the carnal mind, which is enmity against God for it is not subject to the law of God, keeping us doing what evil is, despite we want to do what good is, because we have no power to do it from our own. The remedy found in Christ. Having His mind that replaced our carnal mind, we will be brought in to subjection to the law of God.

Which mind? The mind of Christ, for it is impossible with his carnal mind.

Take attention on what Paul said: "With the mind I my self serve the law of God." (Romans 7:25), After serving the law, he came in harmony with the law demands and just then, "there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit" (Romans 8:1). Serving the law is walking after the Spirit.

The spirit of life in Christ Jesus, the Holy Spirit that resides in Paul's mind replacing the carnal mind, released him from the law of sin and death that dominate him, which originated from his carnal mind, and further enable him to serve the law of God (Romans 8:2), this makes him not under condemnation of the law.

But without the mind of Christ, the flesh could not produce righteousness and the law could not justify him, this makes all men comes under condemnation of the law. God send Christ in the likeness of sinful flesh, and with his perfect obedience, he condemn, he conquered, he over ruled the power of sin in him (Romans 8:3).

This is an example for us, that if we walk as He had walked, having His mind and walk after the Holy Spirit, we too might condemn the sin in us, and from a man that was not subject to the law of God, we becomes those who has the righteousness of the law in us (Romans 8:4).

 

[Arthur57]

Is this really a discussion about the ten commandments? I see only 2 things in this post

• attacking a person
• self aggrandizement

I had to alter the quoted post verse because of the link. Sorry it said I must have 50 posts.

Then you must read the whole story.

 

[Arthur57]

What exactly do you mean? Romans 7 is Paul's struggle with the flesh and it was a present struggle that he had, not a past struggle. He writes in the present tense, not past tense.

Romans 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Salvation doesn't make a person "sinlessly perfect". We are not "sinless" but we do "sin less"...IOW, we don't continue living IN sin, because we have been freed from the penalty and power of sin.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Read further, and you will find out that Paul found the solution in Romans 7:25, with the continuation in Romans 8.

So, if he found the solution or remedy, would he remain in the condition of Romans 7, that you said is his present struggle? I know it is not.

Living in the carnal mind, you will come to a situation presented in Romans 7, but having the mind of Christ, you will live according to the Spirit, into subjection to the law of God.

 

[sheina]

Romans 8 follows Romans 7, Arthur. Have you ever studied it in context?

 

[Arthur57]

Believing that we could not achieve sinless perfection is the same as believing we will remain in our sins.

This is against the Scripture teaching.

Here is one of it:

Matthew 1:21
She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.

Satan dislike this, he taught: Christ will save his people in their sin.

 

[Arthur57]

Romans 8 follows Romans 7, Arthur. Have you ever studied it in context?

What did I say:

Read further, and you will find out that Paul found the solution in Romans 7:25, with the continuation in Romans 8.

 

[ricker]

This is where many strange and unorthodox beliefs are bantered around. Isn't the internet fun?!

It should be burned!

Interesting statement from someone who has over 28,000 posts on just this forum!

 

[visionary]

Read further, and you will find out that Paul found the solution in Romans 7:25, with the continuation in Romans 8.

So, if he found the solution or remedy, would he remain in the condition of Romans 7, that you said is his present struggle? I know it is not.

Living in the carnal mind, you will come to a situation presented in Romans 7, but having the mind of Christ, you will live according to the Spirit, into subjection to the law of God.

When did you learn about the Law of God... before accepting the Lord as your savior or after? It is not the carnal mind, that dwells on the Law of God.. because they are not interested in hearing about it, or they have not been introduced to it, ... or they are in rebellion against it..