Do you agree that Christians should obey all 613 commandments?

[InSpiritInTruth]

If I build again the things that I destroyed, then I am found to be a transgressor. Paul said here we have no more continueing city, but we seek one to come. Paul was refering to the heavenly Jerusalem and that Holy Temple to come in the form of the Body of Christ. Why would the Lord go back to those carnal things that were destroyed when Christ was crucified?

On one side of the cross are those carnal ordinances, on the other side are those spiritual promises fullfilled in those who are of Gods Spirit.

 

[11822]

Watch out for those dogs, those evildoers, those mutilators of the flesh. For it is we who are the circumcision, not them. We who boast in Christ Jesus.

The dogs are those that teach circumcision. Am i a dog for teaching the Law of marriage and fornication? Are these not commandments from God even for Christians?

 

[11822]

If we are free from the written law are we free from the law of marriage? Why do we get married? Is it not because God has commanded it in the written law?

 

[11822]

The temple isn't standing any longer so Christians couldn't "keep" the commandments associated with that part of it...
...Other groups like to pick and choose which commandments they keep.

I don't pick and choose, Christ has done that for us. The law of marriage is still a written law for Christians. And so are some other commandments.

 

[11822]

2 Timothy 3:15 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[BloodyRachel]

I don't pick and choose, Christ has done that for us. The law of marriage is still a written law for Christians. And so are some other commandments.

Christ didn't pick and choose. He approved of the whole Law of Moses.

 

[11822]

Christ didn't pick and choose. He approved of the whole Law of Moses.

Yes but Circumcision is void along with sacrificial laws as far as Christians are concerned. Any law that relates to love and holiness is good.

 

[from scratch]

The dogs are those that teach circumcision. Am i a dog for teaching the Law of marriage and fornication? Are these not commandments from God even for Christians?

Reading most everything you post I really don't think that is what you're trying to promote. Just another side issue to promote law keeping.

 

[from scratch]

Yes but Circumcision is void along with sacrificial laws as far as Christians are concerned. Any law that relates to love and holiness is good.

If any part of the law is void it is all void as James ilustrates in 2:10, 11.

 

[11822]

Reading most everything you post I really don't think that is what you're trying to promote. Just another side issue to promote law keeping.

Please stop accusing and labeling me brother. The fear mongering doth not edify. I'm only reiterating the Words of our Lord and His apostles.

 

[11822]

If any part of the law is void it is all void as James ilustrates in 2:10, 11.

Is the law of marriage void?

 

[from scratch]

Is the law of marriage void?

As a law pusher would argue marriage is before the law and thus outside of the law. Marriage was created and sanctioned in the garden. Now divorece is part of the law.

 

[11822]

As a law pusher would argue marriage is before the law and thus outside of the law. Marriage was created and sanctioned in the garden. Now divorece is part of the law.

I thought you said before that there was no law?

 

[11822]

As a law pusher would argue marriage is before the law and thus outside of the law. Marriage was created and sanctioned in the garden. Now divorece is part of the law.

By the way Im a brother in Christ, not a law pusher. Im a brother and law of Christ defender. If Jesus teaches it, i defend it.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

All unrighteousness is the transgression of the law, just as fornication is the transgression of the law. Those who are born of God do not transgress the righteousness of the law, because it is written in their hearts and minds.

John 3:6; Whosoever abides in him sins not, whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known Him.

 

[JohnRabbit]

If tunnel vision is the problem why are the 10 Cs being pushed with this reference when Jesus leaves some out and quotes another part of the law. I think it shows that Jesus isn't promoting the 10 Cs or even the law. I think that Jesus is answering the man's question without condemning him. So is Jesus' intent to show that the law can or can't secure eternal life. After all the man testified that he kept the law yet left knowing that he didn't have eternal life and must have been condemned because even his attitude is mentioned.Why is this? If one keeps any of the law aren't they obligated to the whole law as both James a Paul indicate?I fully agree! What is the question being asked? Doesn't it include the young man's personal actions? He did ask what good thing shall I do- didn't he? What does Eph 2:8-9 say? - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Is there a boast in his testimony? Yes! Especially considering the good thing that I do part of the quesion. Eternal life can't be earned, it is a gift - Rom 6:23. The commandment love thy neighbor as thyself isn't part of the law that is valid - remember it was nailed to the cross as it isn't one of the 10 Cs.

who is saying that salvation can be earned? seems like you're the one blowing that horn!

you have never seen where i subscribe to that! i don't even know why you mentioned it.

Jesus didn't teach the commandments? wow.

yet, He told the man, if you would enter into life, keep the commandments.

who are we to believe? you or the Christ?

 

[JohnRabbit]

If tunnel vision is the problem why are the 10 Cs being pushed with this reference when Jesus leaves some out and quotes another part of the law. I think it shows that Jesus isn't promoting the 10 Cs or even the law. I think that Jesus is answering the man's question without condemning him. So is Jesus' intent to show that the law can or can't secure eternal life. After all the man testified that he kept the law yet left knowing that he didn't have eternal life and must have been condemned because even his attitude is mentioned.Why is this? If one keeps any of the law aren't they obligated to the whole law as both James a Paul indicate?I fully agree! What is the question being asked? Doesn't it include the young man's personal actions? He did ask what good thing shall I do- didn't he? What does Eph 2:8-9 say? - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Is there a boast in his testimony? Yes! Especially considering the good thing that I do part of the quesion. Eternal life can't be earned, it is a gift - Rom 6:23. The commandment love thy neighbor as thyself isn't part of the law that is valid - remember it was nailed to the cross as it isn't one of the 10 Cs.

what part of the law is valid? and how can that be, since you say the law is indivisible?

remember, the law?

 

[11822]

All unrighteousness is the transgression of the law, just as fornication is the transgression of the law. Those who are born of God do not transgress the righteousness of the law, because it is written in their hearts and minds.

John 3:6; Whosoever abides in him sins not, whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known Him.

Our transgressions are blotted out from the record. But only as we pray for it and only as we forgive others for their trespasses.


Mt 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mt 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mt 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

 

[JohnRabbit]

As a law pusher would argue marriage is before the law and thus outside of the law. Marriage was created and sanctioned in the garden. Now divorece is part of the law.

marriage is before the law, therefore it is outside of the law? remember the law?

that don't even make sense.

so, when adam and eve were married, was there a law that governed their marriage?

 

[sheina]

All unrighteousness is the transgression of the law, just as fornication is the transgression of the law. Those who are born of God do not transgress the righteousness of the law, because it is written in their hearts and minds.

John 3:6; Whosoever abides in him sins not, whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known Him.

I think you mean 1 John 3:6, not John 3:6