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Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (2)

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Just because the law of the 10 Cs doesnt say feed the poor this doesn't also mean the 10 are wrong to follow, as a matter of fact paul said the last 6 were acts of love.

And giving to the poor is not necessarily love.

1 Corinthians 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
This is why I do not follow after the law. For if I follow after the law and have not love then what does it profit me? I may not commit adultry but yet hate my neighbor then what? I may not murder a person but yet could care less if he has what he needs then what? The 10 commandments are what you should not do not what you are to do. We now Have Christ in us and those who walk after the Spirit do not even need the 10 because God is Love and those who walk in His Spirit walk in love. So many out there that will follow after the 10 commandments and not give a hoot about anothers Spiritual well being. Whether or not they know Christ. While those who walk after the Spirit care for the whole being of their neighbor. Those who follow after the 10 are more concerned about what they are doing or not doing than they are about their neighbor.
 
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Do you realize that the love that you continue to mention as if it is all new is from the same OT and OC as the 10 commandments. Do you remember that Abraham met stranger and provided for them without a request to do? Do you remember Job saying that he went looking for and provided for the needy?
All the love that you are promoting always existed with the same 10 commandments.
All that you promote is not a replacement for nor is it against the commandments but works all hand in hand.
show me in the 10 where we are told to do as these have done.
 
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Absolutely. There is no, way by the grace of God, that I am going to sacrifice my salvation in disobeying His direct commands because other believe and advocate to do so.
In it is clear that the law is written on the heart not abolished. Even a child is aware that He should not take that which is not his. Heb. 8 Jer. 31:31-34 Rom ,2: 12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
16In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
17Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
18And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;

Rom 3: 1What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

It was committed to them not that it was for them only that is the point I was trying make to you earlier. Salvation is of the Jews it is them that God used to reach the world just like He uses your pastor but what the pastor says is not for him alone.
8And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
Paul had the same problem then as now. persons saying what he did not say. The law abolished. Do you see that?
9What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
What does this mean to you? Does this not say that the law bear witness? If it does why remove it?

31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
What does that mean to you?
What do you do with Rom 4:
15Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
How do justify advocating that the law is abolished when it is clearly stated that without the there is no sin and that sin is a transgression of the law. What would it take to see basic facts?
So then you promote that salvation is of your workings of the 10? So by your own righteousness you will be saved?
 
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Sure have. You read chapter 3 yet? How bout Ps 14:3 and 53:3? There are no doers of the law and now one is justified by the law. Jesus said so in the Sermon on the Mount. Mat 5:20 to be exact.
20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
How does this statement By Christ say that none shall be Justify by the law?
You are in trouble, seeing things where there is nothing to see.
 
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IOW something more is required than Acts 16:31 and Roman 10:9-10 state. Jesus musta been a fibbin to Nicodemus too.
Quoting scripture does not make a matter truth. For satan told Jesus that His father would give the angles charge over Him. That was very true. but was Jesus to jump down?
Revelation shows that the people of God keeps His laws as well as having Christ but the faults church have not the commandments.
Look and see.
 
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This is why I do not follow after the law. For if I follow after the law and have not love then what does it profit me?
What if you follow after the law and have love?

I may not commit adultry but yet hate my neighbor then what? I may not murder a person but yet could care less if he has what he needs then what? The 10 commandments are what you should not do not what you are to do.[/quote]
There are both things to do and not do. Honor parents, keep the Sabbath holy and where there are do nots it is clear of what should be done. You should not lie, does that not mean you should tell the Truth? The excuses have no foundation.
We now Have Christ in us and those who walk after the Spirit do not even need the 10 because God is Love and those who walk in His Spirit walk in love. So many out there that will follow after the 10 commandments and not give a hoot about anothers Spiritual well being.[/quote]
Do those who walk after the Spirit violate the 10? Can those who advocate the keeping of the 10 do without the indwelling of The Holy Spirit?

Whether or not they know Christ. While those who walk after the Spirit care for the whole being of their neighbor. Those who follow after the 10 are more concerned about what they are doing or not doing than they are about their neighbor.[/quote]
Who fooled you? SDA's are in this group do a check and see if what you are saying is true. They giving and helping may only be out done by the Salvation Army. Stop closing your eyes, that would not change the truth or make it go away.
Mat 7:
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

What is iniquity? Still think you only need love?
 
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Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

I don't believe that we can keep the law...I think God gave the commandments to show man that they need to depend on his promise to send a redeemer who is Jesus Christ in which he promised all the way in Genesis. If we could have kept the law then Christ would not have had to die for our sins.
 
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What if you follow after the law and have love?

I may not commit adultry but yet hate my neighbor then what? I may not murder a person but yet could care less if he has what he needs then what? The 10 commandments are what you should not do not what you are to do.
There are both things to do and not do. Honor parents, keep the Sabbath holy and where there are do nots it is clear of what should be done. You should not lie, does that not mean you should tell the Truth? The excuses have no foundation.
We now Have Christ in us and those who walk after the Spirit do not even need the 10 because God is Love and those who walk in His Spirit walk in love. So many out there that will follow after the 10 commandments and not give a hoot about anothers Spiritual well being.[/quote]
Do those who walk after the Spirit violate the 10? Can those who advocate the keeping of the 10 do without the indwelling of The Holy Spirit?

Whether or not they know Christ. While those who walk after the Spirit care for the whole being of their neighbor. Those who follow after the 10 are more concerned about what they are doing or not doing than they are about their neighbor.[/quote]
Who fooled you? SDA's are in this group do a check and see if what you are saying is true. They giving and helping may only be out done by the Salvation Army. Stop closing your eyes, that would not change the truth or make it go away.
Mat 7:
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

What is iniquity? Still think you only need love?
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I think your works should display your love and motives because even Jesus speaks of his works...If you have the love of the Spirit in you then your works toward people will change for example without the Spirit you may have compassion on homeless people which is a form of love but not be willing to give the individual money or aid to better there situation if it did not benefit you in some facet... with the Spirit which teaches us how to love as God loves, you will give freely with no expectation of promoting yourself...
 
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Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

I don't believe that we can keep the law...I think God gave the commandments to show man that they need to depend on his promise to send a redeemer who is Jesus Christ in which he promised all the way in Genesis. If we could have kept the law then Christ would not have had to die for our sins.
Your comment seem to indicate that Christ died so that would not have to keep the law.
For then I would ask the question. Why give the law in the first place? Or why not just remove it? then neither Jesus or any man would have had any need to die.
Is the law Holy as Paul said? Then how could that which is Holy removed by a Holy God?
 
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20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
How does this statement By Christ say that none shall be Justify by the law?
You are in trouble, seeing things where there is nothing to see.
Did the scribes and Pharisees both see themselves as justified and righteous? What is the requirement to secure eternal life? Where does this righteousness come from?
 
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Obeying the law of love also means obeying Gods law, they are the same.


Ro 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Ro 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Ro 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
 
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Quoting scripture does not make a matter truth. For satan told Jesus that His father would give the angles charge over Him. That was very true. but was Jesus to jump down?
Revelation shows that the people of God keeps His laws as well as having Christ but the faults church have not the commandments.
Look and see.
What is required for salvation?
 
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What if you follow after the law and have love?

I may not commit adultry but yet hate my neighbor then what? I may not murder a person but yet could care less if he has what he needs then what? The 10 commandments are what you should not do not what you are to do.
There are both things to do and not do. Honor parents, keep the Sabbath holy and where there are do nots it is clear of what should be done. You should not lie, does that not mean you should tell the Truth? The excuses have no foundation.
We now Have Christ in us and those who walk after the Spirit do not even need the 10 because God is Love and those who walk in His Spirit walk in love. So many out there that will follow after the 10 commandments and not give a hoot about anothers Spiritual well being.[/quote]
Do those who walk after the Spirit violate the 10? Can those who advocate the keeping of the 10 do without the indwelling of The Holy Spirit?

Whether or not they know Christ. While those who walk after the Spirit care for the whole being of their neighbor. Those who follow after the 10 are more concerned about what they are doing or not doing than they are about their neighbor.[/quote]
Who fooled you? SDA's are in this group do a check and see if what you are saying is true. They giving and helping may only be out done by the Salvation Army. Stop closing your eyes, that would not change the truth or make it go away.
Mat 7:
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

What is iniquity? Still think you only need love?
[/quote]Hey I would be interested to know what the outreach ministries of the SDA church are. would you kindly name them for us?
 
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Obeying the law of love also means obeying Gods law, they are the same.


Ro 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Ro 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Ro 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
So what exactly are you calling God's law?
 
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Now I'm not the most reliable person when it comes to understanding the bible or the 10 commandmends or anything really. But doesn't it say: 'Thy shalt not kill'
It doen't say thy shalt not kill people, so every fly, ant ... counts. Can anyone honestly say they did never killed anything?
A neighbor lady thinks that.

Concerning the issue I find it very interesting for that to be one of the 10 Cs and then God telling Israel to kil everything that breathes. Amazing huh?
 
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Your comment seem to indicate that Christ died so that would not have to keep the law.
For then I would ask the question. Why give the law in the first place? Or why not just remove it? then neither Jesus or any man would have had any need to die.
Is the law Holy as Paul said? Then how could that which is Holy removed by a Holy God?
That is all explained in Scripture.
 
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Your comment seem to indicate that Christ died so that would not have to keep the law.
For then I would ask the question. Why give the law in the first place? Or why not just remove it? then neither Jesus or any man would have had any need to die.
Is the law Holy as Paul said? Then how could that which is Holy removed by a Holy God?
God made a covenant with Isreal after the fall of man. Therefore God needed that first covenant fulfilled in order to make a new covenant. He sent His son to fulfill the first and now we have the new. His blood. This is why we have our being in Christ and not in the law. For in Him all things are made new. Old things have passed.
 
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This division on the law of God is just what will cause the persecution of God true people.
In Revelation 12 the "pure woman" the true people of God have not only Christ but also overcome satan by The commandments.
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
If God's people are identified as keeping His commandments, where are you who oppose it?
 
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